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Media Create Sales: Week 5, 2012 (Jan 30 - Feb 05)
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GameplayWhore
Member
The 3DS kind of has the advantage of not very viable competition.* The Gamecube had a far more popular, already entrenched competing console and another competing console with an infinite money supply.
Next year, the Wii U will have a competing console with an infinite money supply which is the successor to a very popular console and has an inventive hook that threatens to keep users of that predecessor from switching tracks.
It does have the first-mover advantage, though, and it will presumably have a price advantage. Gamecube situation should not happen, but it could still easily emerge in a place other than first.
* from a consumer purchasing perspective. I'm not saying that PSV is a bad system or anything, it's just that the price difference is not justified in the minds of a typical buyer.
Home and Handheld are very different, historically speaking, for Nintendo.
Where Nintendo really suffered Sony entrance in the market is the home business, where they were able to counter-attack with the smart move of the Wii.
Honestly, speaking about home console I think that both MS and Sony have very powerful weapons to attack Nintendo, especially because of the nature of portable game (in my opinion more Japan-oriented and less graphic-pretending compared to the Home console market)
Wii U will have hard time in blowing the market away as 3DS is doing right now, for many different reasons.
Damon Bennet
Member
after the shitty 4 it is only natural that the consumers are sceptical
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Time to polish up that Link model and focus on Wii U launch.
It's AniHawk.
I guess my sarcasm meter is broken
GameplayWhore
Member
He meant a horizontal free-fall.
While the Wii U most likely won't have the same effect as the current 3DS trend, it can probably hold its own really well if third-party support is strong. Nintendo's always loved riding the successes of its own games, so strong third-party support will likely be one of the big factors that determines where the console will rank in terms of sales.
I also think that the Wii U may or may not struggle during the first year or two due to the Wii's reputation as a casual machine. I trust that Nintendo will come up with something good, they always manage to surprise us one way or another.
Wii launched in 2006, PSP in 2004; PSP got much better third party support...and Monster Hunter phenom was born on PSP, indeed.
the psp and the wii had opposite lives, where one was popular at the end, and one was popular at the start.
also, the psp had two years more on the market, was a handheld system, and had third party support.
they should have made Luffy a bonus playable character or some shit. problem solved.
It worked with Star Wars in North America.
You know what? I think that U-pad is way less effective in terms of marketing than Wiiremote.
This means that Nintendo will have to better balance its proposal in terms of overall lineup, working better than before with third parties.
But on home console graphics are more important compared to the portable system, and in addition when it comes to third party support Sony is way better than Nintendo, historically (look at the support they were able to get on PSP also in their darkest moments, and how the Wii lost primarly against PSP then PS3 under this point of view)
But, you know: let's see what will happen!
jeremy1456
Junior Member
The Vita isn't stabilizing at that range - its bumped by sales from Ragnarok Odyssey. Last week it was Tales of Innocence R.
Its going down down down from here.
this week it will have hype for monster hunter to keep it going.
Anth0ny much smarter than Namco confirmed!
The real story this week is Soul Failure
[360] Soul Calibur IV (Bandai Namco) - 34.791 / 53.403 / 65,15% 31/07/08
[GCN] Soul Calibur II (Namco) - 47.620 / 99.256 / 47,98% 27/03/03
[PS2] Soul Calibur II (Namco) - 79.303 / 144.948 / 54,71% 27/03/03
[PS2] Soul Calibur III (Namco) - 100.231 / 134.868 / 74,32% 23/11/05
[PS3] Soul Calibur IV (Bandai Namco) - 74.402 / 120.213 / 61,89% 31/07/08
[PSP] Soul Calibur: Broken Destiny (Bandai Namco) - 31.224 / 60.944 / 51,23% 27/08/09
[SDC] Soul Calibur (Namco) - 171.995 / 288.604 / 59,60% 05/08/99
[XBX] Soul Calibur II (Namco) - 18.262 / 31.815 / 57,40% 27/03/03
[PS1] Soul Edge (Namco) - 162.424 / 419.593 / 38,71% 20/12/96
02./00. [PS3] Soul Calibur V <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.02.02} (¥8.380) - 34.328 / NEW
16./00. [360] Soul Calibur V <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.02.02} (¥8.380) - 7.679 / NEW
This brand has collapsed in such a massive way.
wow.
Also, it pains me to see the Ps2 version of SCII sold better than the GC version. Of course there were approximately 3 bajillion more PS2s out there than GCs, but still... PS2 version was garbage. GC had Link. Link!
Pretty sure the GC version sold better worldwide, probably because Zelda has stronger international appeal.
We need to see what happens in a week with no notable releases before we say that for sure.
djplaeskool
Member
SC5 selling at Broken Destiny levels?
...Ouch.
...Ouch.
That's how I remember it too, a ruckus over Soul Calibur 3 being PS2 exclusive despite Soul Caliber 2 selling best on Gamecube.
AE and budget edition for RE5 can't be added to the total so simply since there are many double buys. Right now you can compare only the full priced versions and you expect from a game on a single platform that didn't have the budget, hype or promotion of RE5 to match its sales.
Where do you remember the 7 million gap that will fall to 4 million soon. Maximun was 5.2 million.
I definitely see what you mean about the uPad, and I agree with that. The general consensus from E3 2011 was that it was surprisingly comfortable to use, though, so that would make it slightly easier for Nintendo to market it.You know what? I think that U-pad is way less effective in terms of marketing than Wiiremote.
This means that Nintendo will have to better balance its proposal in terms of overall lineup, working better than before with third parties.
But on home console graphics are more important compared to the portable system, and in addition when it comes to third party support Sony is way better than Nintendo, historically (look at the support they were able to get on PSP also in their darkest moments, and how the Wii lost primarly against PSP then PS3 under this point of view)
But, you know: let's see what will happen!
Yeah, let's wait and see what'll happen. Nothing's ever really predictable.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I think 3DS is likely telegraphing Nintendo's plan for Wii U in Japan. Much like 3DS is being positioned as a home for both the DS and PSP audiences to migrate to, Wii U is going to be positioned as a home for both the Wii and PS3 audiences to migrate to. Sony better have a better PS4 gameplan that do Vita for their home market.
Could be.
3ds plan is obviously to "defend" the legitimate less blowing sales of 3ds compared to ds including a "male teenager" target into their audience (while probably loosing at least a part of the huge casual market that was captured by the novelty of the ds), offering titles as MH adn MGS and Mosou brand (but also more important iteration of Resident Evil or Kingdom hearts) alongside their most important portable franchises (Mario, Kart, AC, and so on...)
It would be smart trying to do the same with the Wii U, of course, but also more complex in my opinion. Especially if we go outside of Japanese market (western softco are really top notch in terms of power and graphics, and most importantly in the US there are not one but two competitors already affirmed in that "core" market)
Well, well, let's see
And DS is more than both of them combined (32+ millions).
If you only count handheld, we got 50+ millions in Japan alone from last gen.
crazy eh
If you take out software on PSP that decline has started from December this was PSP's 2nd lowest week ever
15.564 (week before Crisis Core PSP-2000 bundle)
15.847 <-
We'll have a new low soon.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I agree with all this except given the state of HD game development, I'd say it will be easier to get PlayStation friendly software on board Wii U than it was 3DS, it just won't be there exclusively (Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Musou, Metal Gear, Resident Evil, Gundam, Tales, Tekken, etc). Nintendo's western plan for 3DS is pretty different, and I expect their Wii U plan will be too.Could be.
3ds plan is obviously to "defend" the legitimate less blowing sales of 3ds compared to ds including a "male teenager" target into their audience (while probably loosing at least a part of the huge casual market that was captured by the novelty of the ds), offering titles as MH adn MGS and Mosou brand (but also more important iteration of Resident Evil or Kingdom hearts) alongside their most important portable franchises (Mario, Kart, AC, and so on...)
It would be smart trying to do the same with the Wii U, of course, but also more complex in my opinion. Especially if we go outside of Japanese market (western softco are really top notch in terms of power and graphics, and most importantly in the US there are not one but two competitors already affirmed in that "core" market)
Well, well, let's see
Could you explain more your "pretty different" about Western plans?
Probably it will be easier (due to tech reasons) to obtain multiplatform titles with PS360, but it will be also useless (or almost useless) especially compared to the actual 3DS japanes third party situation (very impressive, in my opinion, up to now).
If Wii U will be able to receive also PS4 multiplatform titles, it will be different, instead.
I think that at least Wii U could have an easier life about western multiplatform support for awhile (also here: all will depend on one question: will the Wii U be able to get multiplatform titles with PS4-Xloop?)
jesusraz
Member
Chris1964 said:
Capcom's poor advertising skills in the UK have killed this in its second week, with all the focus turning to RE6, even on TV, making Revelations a distant memory very quickly. Thankfully the case is nowhere near as bad in Japan. What is the situation with the RE6 adverts in Japan, by the way? Are there any on TV, or is it only online campaigns so far?
The low weekly drops for these is very impressive, and the total of the three compared to the weekly sales of the 3DS compare favourably, perhaps pointing nicely towards new buyers picking up one of the three.
Tracking far better than Feel the Magic and Rub Rabbits?
I wonder if this can chug along to near enough the 500,000 mark, getting a boost near to Golden Week, and then later in the year being boosted by something like Inazuma Eleven Go: Shadow, a third-leg, like Ogre.
I wonder if Ubisoft wishes it'd let Nintendo handle MJ: The Experience as well, since that tanked under their supervision alone.
Set to crack a million when all is said and done?
How does this compare to the DS game?
[NDS] Ragnarok Online DS (GungHo Works) {2008.12.18} - 44.509 <58,30%>
[PSP] Ragnarok: Princess of Light and Darkness # (GungHo Online Entertainment) {2011.10.27} - 15.559
What makes you say this? I mean, I don't disagree with your point about third parties but I think Nintendo has already shown a willingness to do this, how well they succeeded probably will be discovered at E3.
What are you basing this on as well? Certainly not this generation if you look at LTD sales.
and in addition when it comes to third party support Sony is way better than Nintendo, historically (look at the support they were able to get on PSP also in their darkest moments, and how the Wii lost primarly against PSP then PS3 under this point of view)
But, you know: let's see what will happen!
THIS is true at least historically.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Western 3DS seems to be Nintendo doubling down on what made previous Nintendo handhelds successful, plus the odd big JP 3rd party game here and there (like RE). I see Nintendo putting a lot more into attracting western development on Wii U than they have 3DS.
Well, I still expect Nintendo to nab a few key JP exclusives (which will also be easier than nabbing them elsewhere), but 3rd party parity definitely matters in every region. I'm pretty sure Nintendo will do everything possible to ensure they don't have another Wii 3rd party wise, and Japan will probably be the simplest region for them to accomplish that.Probably it will be easier (due to tech reasons) to obtain multiplatform titles with PS360, but it will be also useless (or almost useless) especially compared to the actual 3DS japanes third party situation (very impressive, in my opinion, up to now).
If Wii U will be able to receive also PS4 multiplatform titles, it will be different, instead.
I think that at least Wii U could have an easier life about western multiplatform support for awhile (also here: all will depend on one question: will the Wii U be able to get multiplatform titles with PS4-Xloop?)
jesusraz
Member
Thanks, Chris - just what I'd thought in terms of the DS game. I have to admit to completely forgetting about the PSP version...
Cosmonaut X
Member
Capcom's poor advertising skills in the UK have killed this in its second week, with all the focus turning to RE6, even on TV, making Revelations a distant memory very quickly. Thankfully the case is nowhere near as bad in Japan. What is the situation with the RE6 adverts in Japan, by the way? Are there any on TV, or is it only online campaigns so far?/QUOTE]
Actually, I've seen rather a lot of RE:R advertising ("We are Veltro..." etc. etc.
I doubt much would have changed if Nintendo took that on (well besides the stupid idea of releasing it when Just Dance was doing well).
The appeal of Just Dance is that it actually targets the Japanese market, with regional music.
Michael Jackson is a popular US musician there, but I still don't think that would make it a big enough draw.
frankie_baby
Member
isnt jacko like mega mega popular in japan? i'm thinking if nintendo had handled the experience it could've done very well
AranhaHunter
Banned
Even without those they still got over 600k (which you said it didn't), and yes I expected RE:R to do that well because I was under the impression it was a full blown game, and from what I saw, it looked like it had high production values. I still remember some gaffers saying it looked better than RE5 on 360 which I thought was hearsay but you get the point. If what you're saying is true (i.e. the promotion and hype weren't there for RE:R) then I admit that my prediction was unrealistic.
IIRC = If I Recall Correctly. I didn't take the time to look up the numbers and I thought the gap got that high. You seem to be certain of the gap and you're trustworthy with your numbers so I believe you without a need to do research. I obviously didn't recall correctly and confused that 7 million gap with something else, maybe 360-PS3 gap a couple years back, idk.
RE:R story has nothing relate to the main series , that might be one of the reason why people skip this. I'm judging this from my feeling when I skip MGS PSP (even if I have chance to play) because I have no interest in the spin-off game whatsoever.
The only reason I bought 3DS for RE:R just because how GAF hype this game so much in the official thread. It's not the case for general gamer though.
The only reason I bought 3DS for RE:R just because how GAF hype this game so much in the official thread. It's not the case for general gamer though.
The general gamer doesn't give a shit about the trainwreck Resident Evil calls a story either.