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[michaelius]

So sad about no knack bundles. It won't reach milion sales now in Japan alone

 

[Mpl90]

PS4 @ Akikabara

Yodobashi : restock
Sofmap : available (no more Knack bundles)
Trader : sold out

So, does it mean it's available or that it's going to be available soon?

 

[Moor-Angol]

So, does it mean it's available or that it's going to be available soon?

it was not available yet
but at Sofmap I saw a couple of chinese women buying a PS4
I asked to an operator and he told me PS4 was available but only the system without games, the bundle one was sold out

 

[Aostia]

So, pre-release numbers were uselessly alarming, right? To me it seems that PS4 had a good second week, and the demand seems still high (at least for a home console with few Japanese games, in Japan).

 

[Mpl90]

it was not available yet
but at Sofmap I saw a couple of chinese women buying a PS4
I asked to an operator and he told me PS4 was available but only the system without games, the bundle one was sold out

Just to clarify: they sold out their Limited Pack al location and they were waiting for a first shipment of the normal pack or they already sold their first al location of the normal pack and they were waiting for the second one?
Still, thanks!! I wanted to know more about Yodobashi in order to know more about the reliability of their tracker. Just updated (@ 19:05 JPT) and it says it's available at Yodobashi Akiba, where I suppose you went. It seems the tracker has a lag comprare to the current situation in stores. At the time I refreshed the page, the page says it's in stock in all but two stores, with one having low stock.

 

[Bruno MB]

Dengeki: Week 9, 2014 (Feb 24 - Mar 02)

[3DS] Harvest Moon: Linking The New World (Marvelous AQL) {2014.02.27} - 116.069 / NEW <65%> (178.500 units shipped)
[3DS] Harvest Moon: A New Beginning (Marvelous AQL) {2012.02.23} - 81.000 / 278.000

[3DS] Fossil Fighters: Infinite Gear (Nintendo) {2014.02.27} - 61.682 / NEW <65%> (95.000 units shipped)
[NDS] Fossil Fighters: Champions (Nintendo) {2010.11.18} - 46.000 / 334.000

PS4 software sales:

Week 1

- 203.884 (Tie-Ratio 0,64)
- 520.671 including Knack (Tie-Ratio 1,64)

Week 2

- 83.776 / 287.660 (Tie-Ratio 0,78)
- 136.366 / 657.037 including Knack (Tie-Ratio 1,78)

 

[test_account]

Also I'm not even sure what this massive PS3 discussion is about and what it's meant to relate to in the current data...?

The discussion isnt related that much to the PS4 data. As L Thammy mentioned, the discussion started with Psycho_Mantis basically saying that you cant judge the long-term sales of the PS4 this early, and also saying/asking how many people that guessed correctly early on what the PS3 would end up selling in total in Japan, because the early PS3 sales werent exactly good. Then there were some replies to this basically saying that PS3 selling 10 million wasnt a good achievement and that you had to take into account how long the console generation with the PS3 was. Then i commented on this, saying that i cant remember seeing many people who thought the PS3 would sell the amount that it did in total in Japan, and the discussion went on from there.

We all seemed to agree in the middle of the discussion that making long-term prediction early on about how a gaming system would sell in total might be quite difficult to guess. The later discussion is more about Darius thinking that most people were guessing fairly correctly about how much the PS3 was going to sell if we take into account that they though that the PS4 would be released 5-6 years after the PS3 (at least that is how i understand what he means), and that guess would be about 7.2m after 5 years and about 8.5m after 6 years. My reply to this was that even taking this (the 5-6 years thing) into account, from my experience in the older Media Create threads, i did not get this impression that most people thought this either. He also asked me if i could show him some quotes on how the early PS3 predictions looked like, and i said that i unfortunately couldnt find any specific examples because it would take too much time to search through all the older Media Create threads. So some part of the discussion is me explaining that as well in more detail. But basically the discussion is more about how correct people were when predicting early on how much the PS3 would end up selling in total in Japan

 

[Moor-Angol]

Just to clarify: they sold out their Limited Pack al location and they were waiting for a first shipment of the normal pack or they already sold their first al location of the normal pack and they were waiting for the second one?
Still, thanks!! I wanted to know more about Yodobashi in order to know more about the reliability of their tracker. Just updated (@ 19:05 JPT) and it says it's available at Yodobashi Akiba, where I suppose you went. It seems the tracker has a lag comprare to the current situation in stores. At the time I refreshed the page, the page says it's in stock in all but two stores, with one having low stock.

Anyone doesn't sell the bundle pack, it's sold out.
I went to Yodobashi around 13:00, the strange thing was behind the counter I saw some PS4 units (no bundle of course), but there was a paper and "Restock" handwritten on it.
Also I saw a person talking with a Yodobashi operator, he showed him the box but he didn't sell to him, I really did not understand the situation, considering PS4 was regularly available on Sofmap (and actually it is available on Amazon too)

I think Sony shipped around 380k Knack bundles, after 2 weeks they were sold out nation-wide (or maybe just after the first week, it depends about how many units a shop purchased) and now Sony are (slowly?) restocking all the shops with the simple SKU (just the system)


Also actually available preorders are :

Nactural Doctrine
MGSV demo
FF14
Drive Club
Nobunaga no Yabou

InFamous 2nd Son not yet available despite the release date has been already decided (Child of Light has been announced today iirc)

 

[Darius]

@mpl90
I wouldn´t place anecdotal evidence on a pedestal. Anyway we´ll have a more clear view next week and looking at Sundays Yodobashi stock information could be a first indication.

If we put the 10+ million number a side for a bit and only look at what the PS3 sold after 5 and 6 years, i also didnt get the impression that most people where expecting these numbers (7.2m and 8.5m respectively as you mention) either after the PS3 being 5-6 years on the market.

Really now you are really going way overboard. This wasn´t a general opinion back than in early 2007.

 

[DCharlie]

i am sure someone has already clarified it - but just in case: PS4s have been difficult to come by in Tokyo (anecdotally : Shibuya , shinjuku, akihabara) - today Sofmap Shinjuku is restocked , but everywhere else has the SOLD OUT signs up

I am aware that a) this does not represent the whole of Tokyo b) does not represent Japan etc and neither am i making any comment about latent demand. Just saying what i see.

I would also add that second hand stores are paying -very nicely- for secondhand ps4 games.

 

[test_account]

Really now you are really going way overboard. This wasn´t a general opinion back than in early 2007.

You're free to disagree of course, but just out of curiousity since you're saying that i'm going way overboard, what makes you think that most people were expecting close to those numbers back then after the PS3 had been 5-6 years on the market? But as i mentioned, i'm just going by my impressions and understanding, i'm not giving a key answer here And i'm honestly not trying to exaggerate my opinion just to point that out.

 

[Mpl90]

Anyone doesn't sell the bundle pack, it's sold out.
I went to Yodobashi around 13:00, the strange thing was behind the counter I saw some PS4 units (no bundle of course), but there was a paper and "Restock" handwritten on it.
Also I saw a person talking with a Yodobashi operator, he showed him the box but he didn't sell to him, I really did not understand the situation, considering PS4 was regularly available on Sofmap (and actually it is available on Amazon too)

I think Sony shipped around 380k Knack bundles, after 2 weeks they were sold out nation-wide (or maybe just after the first week, it depends about how many units a shop purchased) and now Sony are (slowly?) restocking all the shops with the simple SKU (just the system)


Also actually available preorders are :

Nactural Doctrine
MGSV demo
FF14
Drive Club
Nobunaga no Yabou

InFamous 2nd Son not yet available despite the release date has been already decided (Child of Light has been announced today iirc)

I have to look back in last threads, but I think crinale explained the situation you saw at Yodobashi.

 

[Mpl90]

Yodobashi PS4 stock situation, @ 22:22 JPT

In stock in 19 stores out of 21, with two of them being low in supply. Available when store re-opens (9:30 - 10:00) except for one which has not this advice (a 24h open Yodobashi? XD ).

 

[Darius]

You're free to disagree of course, but just out of curiousity since you're saying that i'm going way overboard, what makes you think that most people were expecting close to those numbers back then after the PS3 had been 5-6 years on the market? But as i mentioned, i'm just going by my impressions and understanding, i'm not giving a key answer here And i'm honestly not trying to exaggerate my opinion just to point that out.

It´s really getting repetetive, just to show you what you are saying. In early 2007 in the beginning of the generation, you think it was a general opinion that there would be a more than a 70% decline from PS2 to PS3 lifetime sales in Japan, completely ignoring the 60k yen price tag in the beginning and despite full 3rd party support... Until there´s no proof, something you really tried your best to avoid, there´s no need to continue this conversation.

 

[test_account]

It´s really getting repetetive, just to show you what you are saying. In early 2007 in the beginning of the generation, you think it was a general opinion that there would be a more than a 70% decline from PS2 to PS3 lifetime sales in Japan, completely ignoring the 60k yen price tag in the beginning and despite full 3rd party support... Until there´s no proof, something you really tried your best to avoid, there´s no need to continue this conversation.

Just to be clear, the 7.2m and 8.5m numbers are specifically after 5 and 6 years respectively on the market, its not about a prediction about PS3's complete lifetime sales regardless of how many years the PS3 was on the market. But besides that, my main point is that i cant remember seeing many people who guessed early on that the PS3 would end up selling 10+ million units based on the very poor start of the PS3.

Why do you keep saying that i'm avoiding giving you proof? I've told you several of times that i'm just going by my understanding from what i saw and remember, and i've told you more than once that i cant give you any objective or key answer to this. Still you mention that i tried my best to avoid giving you proof eventhough i told you that i cant give you and objective answer to the PS3 situation. When i say that i cant give you any objective answer to it, i mean that i cant give you any solid proof. What exactly is the misunderstanding here? Honest question. I want to clearify this when you say that i avoid things that i dont feel that i avoid.

Even if i had given you 10 quotes from earlier Media Create threads where people mentioned their specific PS3 life time sales expectation, it still would only represent a handfull of all people who posted there, so its impossible for me to give any solid proof to what most people were expecting, dont you agree? Rolf NB mentioned something on the previous page in this thread that backs up my understanding, i guess that maybe is some kind of proof?

By the way, when i ask you why you think my understanding of what the general expectations were for how much the PS3 would sell in total in the older Media Create threads, why dont you answer that question? It would be nice if you could say your understanding of the situation instead and explain why you think i got the wrong impression of what people where expecting from the PS3 sales instead of saying that i'm going way overboard without saying why you mean that i go way overboard.

EDIT: I added some text.

 

[mclem]

Has there been any indication of a fresh shipment now? Not talking about for these numbers; well aware of Famitsu's comments on supply constraint. More wondering whether there's been one since the period these numbers track - and indeed, how big a one?

If there hasn't been one, I'd expect next week's numbers to be very low indeed, if they're still only working with the very first shipment.

 

[Darius]

Just to be clear, the 7.2m and 8.5m numbers are specifically after 5 and 6 years respectively on the market, its not about a prediction about PS3's complete lifetime sales regardless of how many years the PS3 was on the market. Besides that, my main point is that i cant remember seeing many people who guessed early on that the PS3 would end up selling 10+ million units based on the very poor start of the PS3.

Why do you keep saying that i'm avoiding giving you proof? I've told you several of times that i'm just going by my understanding from what i saw and remember, and i've told you more than once that i cant give you any objective or key answer to this. Still you mention that i tried my best to avoid giving you proof eventhough i told you that i cant give you and objective answer to the PS3 situation. When i say that i cant give you any objective answer to it, i mean that i cant give you any solid proof. What exactly is the misunderstanding here? Honest question. I want to clearify this when you say that i avoid things that i dont feel that i avoid.

Even if i had given you 10 quotes from earlier Media Create threads where people mentioned their specific PS3 life time sales expectation, it still would only represent a handfull of all people who posted there, so its impossible for me to give any solid proof to what most people were expecting, dont you agree? Rolf NB mentioned something on the previous page in this thread that backs up my understanding, i guess that maybe is some proof?

By the way, when i ask you why you think my understanding of what the general expectations were for how much the PS3 would sell in total in the older Media Create threads, why dont you answer that question? It would be nice if you could say your understanding of the situation instead and explain why you think i got the wrong impression of what people where expecting from the PS3 sales instead of saying that i'm going way overboard without saying why you mean that i go way overboard.

EDIT: I added some text.

I think you should reread RolfMPs post. He said that people that made such low predictions were banned, this is exactly the complete opposite of what you are saying. Because why should a general and widespread opinion be seen as a bannable offense? Also reading this threads you also get the impression the Vita is doing great due to some very vocal fans, but the general consense is quite different.

 

[pieatorium]

if one guy on gaf says something its obviously true

this conversation has basically been "no you" for a while now.

 

[test_account]

I think you should reread RolfMPs post. He said that people that made such low predictions were banned, this is exactly the complete opposite of what you are saying. Because why should a general and widespread opinion be seen as a bannable offense?

I'm pretty sure that he means the opposite, that predicting early on what the PS3 and the Wii would actually end up selling, this would be concidered as too high for the PS3 and too low for the Wii concidering the really bad initial PS3 sales and the very strong initial Wii sales. That is my understanding of it at least, but i could be wrong. He would have to confirm what he ment.

And just a small comment regarding my previous reply. I didnt say that people ignored the 60k pricetag and ignored a potential pricedrop, but i cant remember to have seen much optimism or specific higher lifetime sales prediction around the PS3 eventhough people knew that one or several of pricerdop would happen sometime in the future. The PS3's 3rd party situation was also not a 100% given situation at the begining of the previous console generation. Monster Hunter 3 moved from PS3 to Wii for example, and someone wondered if maybe this would happen to other games as well. Here is the thread about it if you want to read http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197777

Also reading this threads you also get the impression the Vita is doing great due to some very vocal fans, but the general consense is complete opposite.

That is true. And if the Vita would end up selling for example 8+ million units in its lifetime, i would honestly have a hard time to find any solid proof that the general consense was that people didnt exect the Vita to sell this much. But i would not be under the impression that most people thought that the Vita would sell that amount going by the first year predictions, because as you say, the general consense seems to be that most people mean that the Vita is doing pretty bad. That is basically my experience and understanding about the PS3 situation as well, do you see what i mean? And as i mentioned, i didnt say that i gave a key answer to this, i just went from my understanding of it.


To sum up my points in this discussion: I cant remember seeing people in general expecting the PS3 to sell 10+ million units in Japan based on the early 1st year long-term predictions. I also cant remember seeing people thinking that the PS3 would sell about 7.2m and about 8.5m after 5 and 6 years respectively. Could i be wrong about what numbers most people where expected? Absolutely. But without any proof on either side to back this up, its hard to give any objective answer to it, so i'm just going by how i understood the situation. I am not saying that what i said is absolute fact and an objective answer just to make that very clear, i'm only saying what how i read the generation consense of what the PS3 would sell like in total in Japan. If you or anyone else has a different understanding of the early PS3 situation/early long-term predictions, then they are of course more than welcome to say their opinion and elaborate on that if they want

Sorry if i didnt make my points clearer in the begining, but if something is unclear, i will always try to explain it better what i mean.

if one guy on gaf says something its obviously true

this conversation has basically been "no you" for a while now.

I dont think anyone said that. If you're referring to me pointing out what Rolf NB said, i just mention that to show that i'm not the only one understood that people in general didnt expect the PS3 to sell what it sold in Japan (unless i misunderstood what he said).

I also dont feel that there has been a "no you" discussion at the end here, but more that i've been trying to explain better what i ment. I havnt claimed that anyone is wrong because i cant find solid proof to make an objective claim on what i say, and i asked if he think i was wrong with my understanding of the situation, then i was wondering why he thought so.

EDIT: I added some text.

 

[Chris1964]

new releases {2014.03.13}

[3DS] Super Man Ultra Baseball: Action Card Battle <SPT> (Culture Brain) (¥5.229)
[3DS] Kuma-Mon Bomber: Puzzle de Kuma-Mon Taisou <PZL> (Rocket Company) (¥5.040)
[3DS] Touch Detective: Nameko Shigeru (Good Price) <PZL> (Success) (¥2.200)

[PSV] Phantom Breaker: Battle Grounds [Limited Edition] <FTG> (5pb.) (¥5.040)

[PS3] Dark Souls II <RPG> (From Software) (¥7.800)

[360] Dark Souls II <RPG> (From Software) (¥7.800)
[360] Gears of War: Trilogy Pack (Platinum Collection) <ACT> (Microsoft Game Studios) (¥4.095)
[360] Gears of War: Judgment (Platinum Collection) <ACT> (Microsoft Game Studios) (¥2.940)
[360] Forza Horizon (Platinum Collection) <RCE> (Microsoft Game Studios) (¥2.940)
[360] DoDonPachi Saidaioujou (Platinum Collection) <STG> (Cave) (¥2.940)

 

[Chris1964]

#14 is indeed Pokemon at Media Create.

I started working again with the incomplete data in my database after a very long time. At the end of the year I'll give the final update.

 

[tahsutify]

Sorry, confused about the dates.

 

[Mpl90]

Amazon.co.jp, @ 08:40 JPT

Already released

PS4 - 8th (only 8 reviews, available; Soul Sacrifice got 9 reviews in its first day)

Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition - 30th

PS4 First Limited Pack - 36th (sold by third party with a markup; only 3 left)

Battlefield 4 - 47th (sold by third party; only 2 left in stock)

Yakuza Ishin - 48th (PS3 SKU is 21st)

PS4 + Camera Limited Pack - 58th (sold by third party with a markup; only 1 left)

Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag - 80th

Upcoming

Metal Gear Solid V: Paid Demo - 2nd (PS3 SKU is 3rd)

inFAMOUS: Second Son - 27th

Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Realm Reborn - 54th

Metal Gear Solid V: Paid Demo Limited - 81st (PS3 SKU out of top 100)

Watch Dogs: Car Vault - 82nd

 

[Mpl90]

I have to look back in last threads, but I think crinale explained the situation you saw at Yodobashi.

Yep, found it

The Kyoto info was I read from the web, though I live in Tokyo so I could tell the reliability for Tokyo side only. Sorry about that. But yeah, I assume if it says sold out at website they mean it.
However, if Yodobashi stocking a small pile inside the register section then they may be reserved for pre-orders. This also explains that after few days they'll claim they have some units available, only to be sold out a few hours later.
This happens pretty much every console launch, so nothing special.

Spoiler

With the only exception of Xbos360 IIRC

The Media Create top 50 page updated, and I think they say something about PS4 too

http://www.m-create.com/ranking/

If anyone can translate, it'd be great

Yodobashi's PS4 stock status @ 16:34, JPT

In stock in 20 out of 21 stores

 

[theprodigy]

Yep, found it



The Media Create top 50 page updated, and I think they say something about PS4 too

http://www.m-create.com/ranking/

If anyone can translate, it'd be great

Yodobashi's PS4 stock status @ 16:34, JPT

In stock in 20 out of 21 stores

yo what
lol Google Translate spits out this:
"According to interviews with retailers, the supply pattern is stable and is not mired in extreme short supply, when compared with the PS launches of the past."

 

[StreetsAhead]

The Media Create top 50 page updated, and I think they say something about PS4 too

http://www.m-create.com/ranking/

If anyone can translate, it'd be great

Yodobashi's PS4 stock status @ 16:34, JPT

In stock in 20 out of 21 stores

Feel like I will regret doing this but, here's my take:

The PS4, now in its 2nd week on sale, managed to sell 66,000 units, bringing the LTD numbers up to 375,000 units. According to stores, it is not experiencing extreme supply shortages and, compared with previous PS Formats, its supply appears relatively stable. Further, it's assumed that due to the lack of any significant change in the Vita's sales compared with the weeks prior to the PS4's launch, there appears to be few cases of new users picking up both systems together.

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They also speculate that the new Harvest Moon may go on to sell over 300K.

 

[Mpl90]

Thanks, Streets.

...Isn't that the opposite of what said by Famitsu? O_O

 

[StreetsAhead]

Thanks, Streets.

...Isn't that the opposite of what said by Famitsu? O_O

Gimme the link and I'll check it out. I never looked at it, but it may well be. They don't say it's not supply constrained, though, just saying it's not extreme at the stores they spoke with.

 

[Mpl90]

Gimme the link and I'll check it out. I never looked at it, but it may well be. They don't say it's not supply constrained, though, just saying it's not extreme at the stores they spoke with.

http://www.famitsu.com/biz/ranking/

 

[Dalthien]

I started working again with the incomplete data in my database after a very long time. At the end of the year I'll give the final update.

Great to hear. Thanks Chris!

 

[StreetsAhead]

http://www.famitsu.com/biz/ranking/

Yeah, it does say there's stock shortages there. Seems Media Create is just stating they're not extreme when considering previous Sony launches, maybe?

 

[BishopLamont]

Biggest first week ever for the Harvest Moon series according to Famitsu:

    9,532 /   112,811 [NDS] Harvest Moon DS Cute {2005-12-08} (Marvelous Entertainment)
   39,973 /   145,346 [NDS] Rune Factory: A Fantasy Harvest Moon {2006-08-24} (Marvelous Entertainment)
   70,980 /   304,660 [NDS] Harvest Moon: Island of Happiness {2007-02-01} (Marvelous Entertainment)
   56,082 /   116,287 [NDS] Rune Factory 2: A Fantasy Harvest Moon {2008-01-03} (Marvelous Entertainment)
   36,134 /   155,065 [NDS] Harvest Moon: Sunshine Islands {2008-02-21} (Marvelous Entertainment)
   27,988 /   116,369 [NDS] Harvest Moon: Grand Bazaar {2008-12-18} (Marvelous Entertainment)
   44,894 /    85,648 [NDS] Rune Factory 3: A Fantasy Harvest Moon {2009-10-22} (Marvelous Entertainment)
   65,074 /   212,870 [NDS] Harvest Moon: The Tale of Two Towns {2010-07-08} (Marvelous Entertainment)
   79,809 /   232,912 [3DS] Harvest Moon: A New Beginning {2012-02-23} (Marvelous AQL)
[B][U]  116,922 /   NEW     [3DS] Harvest Moon: Tsunagaru Shintenchi {2014-02-27} (Marvelous AQL)[/U][/B]

DS leads the pack with 8 HMs, while every other platform recieved 1/2/3 HMs, and the series grew much bigger on the DS, 3DS is already showing signs of the same growth, maybe by the end of the 3DS life we'll have a 500k selling HM.

Holy shit Magical Melody. I didn't know that I owned 1 of less than 7000 copies.

Man. Why are HM numbers so consistently awful? I love this series. I'm really glad that Marvelous will be able to celebrate by hopefully blowing their own projections out of the water. Hurray for low bars.

I wouldn't call the numbers of the DS games consistently awful.

I never realized how big the gap between 3DS and Vita LTD was. Wow.

Which is why this whole year of the Vita stuff is so funny, its like when the PSP started selling better, its a hollow victory. The 3DS isn't doing great, but that doesn't make the Vita numbers any better. I just hope everyone thats championing it aren't as serious as they are making themselves out to be, well besides SmokyDave, dude will die with a Vita in his hand.

I think the last Harvest Moon game being so good (and commercially successful) helped a lot. But there's probably more marketing to also buttress that fact. It also has a ton of new customisation features and seems to be expanding on the last game in all the right ways.

As for the Vita 2000 model. I think it's because it's more cost efficient that I believe a price drop isn't necessary. They've finally got a model out -- at a similar price point to the OLED one -- that can give a decent margin for profit which I don't think is worth sacrificing for a few extra k sales. I think last year's price drop showed that price isn't necessarily the limiting factor, but rather a healthy software release schedule. The 2000 model is fairly price competitive to the 3DS LL already.

Yeah its the same sitatuon as the Wii U, hardware price is the least of their worries, Nintendo knows this and I think Sony is catching on too.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

The Vita championing was never about beating the 3DS's LTd becuase thats impossible. I thought it was more about how well it held comparing to last year and its growth while every other platform has declined.

 

[pieatorium]

Which is why this whole year of the vita stuff is so funny, its like when the PSP started selling better, its a hollow victory.

I dont think its remotely comparable psp "poor" sales were better than vita "improved " sales

 

[SmokyDave]

The Vita championing was never about beating the 3DS's LTd becuase thats impossible. I thought it was more about how well it held comparing to last year and its growth while every other platform has declined.

You're not wrong. It's got nothing to do with the 3DS, the battle was between discontinuation and not being discontinued. The Vita is winning.

Still, a lot of short memories around these parts.

Which is why this whole year of the Vita stuff is so funny, its like when the PSP started selling better, its a hollow victory. The 3DS isn't doing great, but that doesn't make the Vita numbers any better. I just hope everyone thats championing it aren't as serious as they are making themselves out to be, well besides SmokyDave, dude will die with a Vita in his hand.

Y'know what makes the Vita numbers better? The fact that they are better. The device is on a positive upwards trend and very few people expected that.

 

[BishopLamont]

The Vita championing was never about beating the 3DS's LTd becuase thats impossible. I thought it was more about how well it held comparing to last year and its growth while every other platform has declined.

Its not hard to show growth when you're posting pitiful numbers after receiving a "healthy" schedule of games combined with a price drop.

You're not wrong. It's got nothing to do with the 3DS, the battle was between discontinuation and not being discontinued. The Vita is winning.

Still, a lot of short memories around these parts.

Vita being discontinued was always a stupid idea that was never going to happen.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Its not hard to show growth when you're posting pitiful numbers after receiving a "healthy" schedule of games combined with a price drop.

Revisionist history here. Many did not see the Vita release as healthy and many did not think the price drop would increase the baseline.

 

[spwolf]

Yeah, it does say there's stock shortages there. Seems Media Create is just stating they're not extreme when considering previous Sony launches, maybe?

they probably mean that there is resupply unlike some previous systems where there was simply no resupply.

 

[SmokyDave]

Vita being discontinued was always a stupid idea that was never going to happen.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Revisionist history here. Many did not see the Vita release as healthy and many did not think the price drop would increase the baseline.

Indeed. I can't imagine folks expected the number of software announcements we're seeing either. I feel like a new indie or niche localisation is announced every single day.

 

[BishopLamont]

Revisionist history here. Many did not see the Vita release as healthy and many did not think the price drop would increase the baseline.

The baseline was bound to increase, Japan is handheld country, its just a matter of how much, I just don't think its as great as people are making it out to be.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Sony has never prematurely cut off a console, even Nintendo hasn't, well at least not as early as people thought the Vita would have been. Sony would be the last to do such a thing with the way they operate their business. Nintendo can afford the luxury if they needed it because they rely on their first party first and foremost, Sony doesn't. People really underestimate just how much of a risk it is to cut off a console prematurely. The Vita serves its niche and Sony knows this fully well, they'll be happy with any extra sales they get from the PS4 success, compared to the Wii U which would be a sadder story for Nintendo since they expected it to be more than the niche its filling right now.

Indeed. I can't imagine folks expected the number of software announcements we're seeing either. I feel like a new indie or niche localisation is announced every single day.

Is it really a surprise? Vita has always received a healthy number of announcements, maybe not as impactful in sales like the 3DS ones are, but in quantity its never lagged far behind.

 

[NateDrake]

The baseline was bound to increase, Japan is handheld country, its just a matter of how much, I just don't think its as great as people are making it out to be.

This.

When 3DS launched and stabilized around 20k a week it was declared a failure. Vita is still doing horrid, though better than its deathly figures from a yr ago.

If Wii U shoots up to 25k a week after MK8 launches, will it suddenly be a success story?

 

[inopedes]

This.
If Wii U shoots up to 25k a week after MK8 launches, will it suddenly be a success story?

Yes. Everyone will be championing it. Everyone.

 

[pieatorium]

If Wii U shoots up to 25k a week after MK8 launches, will it suddenly be a success story?

no but it would be worth getting a bit excited over imo. That would be a positive result for nintendo. Software sales would no doubt be dragged up with it and it might show signs of the wiiu reversing its current situation as a flaming money pit.

 

[BishopLamont]

no but it would be worth getting a bit excited over imo. That would be a positive result for nintendo. Software sales would no doubt be dragged up with it and it might show signs of the wiiu reversing its current situation as a flaming money pit.

Wii U won't be reversing anything, the software schedule is just way too bad in terms of quality and quantity, celebrate it for the MK8 bump, but no one should be expecting anything much more beyond that.

 

[pieatorium]

Wii U won't be reversing anything, the software schedule is just way too bad in terms of quality and quantity, celebrate it for the MK8 bump, but no one should be expecting anything much more beyond that.

I didn't say I expected it would I was commenting on the hypothetical situation where 25k+ weekly sales became a reality

 

[BishopLamont]

I didn't say I expected it would I was commenting on the hypothetical situation where 25k+ weekly sales became a reality

Yeah and my point is even if it did happen, it'll be shortlived.

 

[pieatorium]

Yeah and my point is even if it did happen, it'll be shortlived.

the hypothetical wasn't about the reality of how short lived any mario kart bump would be

 

[BishopLamont]

the hypothetical wasn't about the reality of how short lived any mario kart bump would be

Hypotheticals are still based on reality, dunno why you would ignore it.

 

[SmokyDave]

Sony has never prematurely cut off a console, even Nintendo hasn't, well at least not as early as people thought the Vita would have been. Sony would be the last to do such a thing with the way they operate their business. Nintendo can afford the luxury if they needed it because they rely on their first party first and foremost, Sony doesn't. People really underestimate just how much of a risk it is to cut off a console prematurely. The Vita serves its niche and Sony knows this fully well, compared to the Wii U which would be a sadder story for Nintendo since they expected it to be more than the niche its filling right now.

Dude, I know. I wasn't one of the people expecting it to be discontinued. It really is surprising how many people expected the plug to be pulled though. I recommend reading the Week 43 2012 thread if you want to see just how much the tone has changed. Well, any thread from around that time really, but that one stands out as I was reading it earlier today. To be fair though, it was a particularly terrible week for the Vita that week.

Is it really a surprise? Vita has always received a healthy number of announcements, maybe not as impactful in sales like the 3DS ones are, but in quantity its never lagged far behind.

The sheer quantity surprises me, as does the number of niche localisations. It's just a gut feeling, but I reckon the Vita has had more software announcements and new titles than any other platform in 2014. If I'm right, that would surprise me immensely.

Anyway, I don't really want to get into this too much more. All I'm saying is it's never been about the Vita becoming a serious competitor to the 3DS, it's just relief that the device has become sustainable and is trending upwards. The numbers are good relative to the expected performance and prior performance of the device.

If Wii U shoots up to 25k a week after MK8 launches, will it suddenly be a success story?

It'll certainly be great news for anyone invested in the Wii U and hoping to see more content on the console.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

The baseline was bound to increase, Japan is handheld country, its just a matter of how much, I just don't think its as great as people are making it out to be.

Very few expected Vita's baseline to be doubled. Yes in absolute terms its still bad but in relative terms its clearly a success. Theres no downplaying it. It was not expected so don't act like it was.

If WiiU doubled its baseline the same will apply but it won't because of its piss poor release schedule.