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Media Create Sales: Week 9, 2015 (Feb 23 - Mar 01)
- Thread starter hiska-kun
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I agree with both.
I was simply stunned by the initial Psycho replies (that was the reason why I asked ;p ) that seemed to imply that 3DS audience and average product were as sexualized as the Vita ones.
Ohh, it's great that Sega picked it up. Hopefully it'll do well.
Pennywise83 said that the female characters in Luminous Arc Infinity became sexier or whatever because it's now on Vita. However, the series always had sexy female characters since it started life on DS, so it's a silly claim.
small44
Member
I won't be sad if SE go out of business
Pennywise83
Banned
Level-5 typically had their own conference around late Summer / early Fall where they announced plenty of titles (Layton vs. Wright, Ni no Kuni, etc.). Last year they didn't have the conference, and there was the YW craziness. I'm expecting some news sooner or later, concerning handheld and mobile games mainly.
I honestly don't know why you guys are arguing with him. Pennywise83 is an expert on many things. He knows how to define a Monster Hunter clone better than people who actually play those games, he knows more about ImageEpoch's budgets and finances than the CEO, and he clearly knows more about how perverted each and every 3DS and Vita game is without even playing any of them. I'm constantly in awe of his knowledge and the depths of understanding he shows in everything he talks about.
Being one of the last pillars of big budget Japanese console games, specifically in the RPG genre, I certainly would be sad if they went out of business.
My God you just broke millions of sarcasm meters with this post.
Pennywise83
Banned
Never argued I was an expert on those things, unless stating an opinion or an impression about something equated being an exprt (in that case, I am...?). You can check by yourself the original posts.
- Monster Hunter clones: I just said that some games might have been developed in order to attract the MH fanbase; some elements were similar, in particular when promoting those games (multi co-op, large monsters, fantasy setting). Then, of course, many things differ, such as gameplay, focus on the story, and so on.
- As for imageepoch, my starting point was that it wasn't reasonable to give all faults to 3DS games, because *perhaps* some self-published PSP games didn't sell as expected. Also, imageepoch stated expectations of 50k for Girl Gift RPG and you said the game should have sold, instead, 60k-100k... So you also know more than the CEO
- In terms of "perv" games, I just said that, as far as I remember, Luminous Arc entries on DS weren't as explicit as the new one on PSV seems to be. If I have to get all the jokes for that, it's fine.
test_account
XP-39C²
I see. At least then Vita owners should be able to buy the game too =)
No problem
theprodigy
Member
why can't I hold all the sarcasm in this post
Also, imageepoch stated expectations of 50k for Girl Gift RPG and you said the game should have sold, instead, 60k-100k... So you also know more than the CEO
Where did they state that? I mean it's simple maths, I've provided a source where the CEO says the budget for the game was about 2 million dollars. The game retails for 6279yen, so if they make 40 bucks per unit shipped to retailers, at 50,000 the game is just breaking even. I would really like to see the source if it's true, because I love making fun of Mikage's failures.
Even if the 50K number is true, Toushin Toshi only managed to sell about half that amount. And that's way less and any of their titles released on PSP.Where did they state that? I mean it's simple maths, I've provided a source where the CEO says the budget for the game was about 2 million dollars. The game retails for 6279yen, so if they make 40 bucks per unit shipped to retailers, at 50,000 the game is just breaking even. I would really like to see the source if it's true, because I love making fun of Mikage's failures.
But nooo... it's probably PSP's fault LOL.
They're going for Hero Bank numbers.
Pennywise83
Banned
Where did they state that? I mean it's simple maths, I've provided a source where the CEO says the budget for the game was about 2 million dollars. The game retails for 6279yen, so if they make 40 bucks per unit shipped to retailers, at 50,000 the game is just breaking even. I would really like to see the source if it's true, because I love making fun of Mikage's failures.
Indeed, it was 70k: http://ameblo.jp/sinobi/entry-11757541239.html I switched D4 PSV and Girl Gift RPG expectations.
Look, I always tried to be nice with people misreading what I wrote, but it's becoming a bit annoying. I never ever wrote "it was probably PSP's fault". I always wrote that given subsequent events, it might also be that some of their self-published games haven't sold as expected. Nothing more, nothing less.
Oh okay. I'm kinda sad you misremembered now, because I was actually hoping Mikage said something stupid like that. I'll honestly much rather make fun of him.
This is what you wrote man. Even without any source, you were quick to say that "some of them [PSP games] needed more than barely crack the 100k mark to break even".
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152410181&postcount=73
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152419931&postcount=82
If this isn't trying to shift the blame to PSP, I don't know what it is.
Where did they state that? I mean it's simple maths, I've provided a source where the CEO says the budget for the game was about 2 million dollars. The game retails for 6279yen, so if they make 40 bucks per unit shipped to retailers, at 50,000 the game is just breaking even. I would really like to see the source if it's true, because I love making fun of Mikage's failures.
Wasn´t it actually 196 million yen, that would be just 1.6m $ not 2m. Which isn´t exactly a huge amount for a basically new game based on an old game. It would be interesting to know the budgets of their other projects, but I wouldn´t be surprised if this budget is more on the lower side even for them.
Pennywise83
Banned
I didn't say that "PSP probably was the fault of imageepoch's problems". I said that probably those game might have had higher expectations, which is not something unreasonable given all the subsequent events. The connection between my sentences and your "joke" is purely an artifact of yours.
For those interested in more Imageepoch business developments, there are some details from the producer of Stella Glow in this week's Famitsu:
- Development on Stella Glow was completed in November last year. They were planning on releasing the game in Spring this year, but they ran into problems with regards to sales and hence had to stop promoting the game and went into radio silence.
- They had talks with Sega (who has been handling distribution for ImageEpoch published titles so far), and after a lot of hard work, managed to get the game announced again.
So yeah. It sounds like ImageEpoch is fucking broke and had to sell off a completed game which they couldn't publish to their distribution partner.
The exchange rate changes so much that it is not helpful to do a current conversion, and even so it doesn't create the right financial picture. But for what it's worth, the USD/JPY exchange rate in Nov 2013 would put 196 million yen at 1.96 million USD.
- Development on Stella Glow was completed in November last year. They were planning on releasing the game in Spring this year, but they ran into problems with regards to sales and hence had to stop promoting the game and went into radio silence.
- They had talks with Sega (who has been handling distribution for ImageEpoch published titles so far), and after a lot of hard work, managed to get the game announced again.
So yeah. It sounds like ImageEpoch is fucking broke and had to sell off a completed game which they couldn't publish to their distribution partner.
The exchange rate changes so much that it is not helpful to do a current conversion, and even so it doesn't create the right financial picture. But for what it's worth, the USD/JPY exchange rate in Nov 2013 would put 196 million yen at 1.96 million USD.
Kresnik258
Member
I'm guessing it would be somewhere in between the two given that it started development when yen -> dollars exchange rates were much higher.
I have thought about the possibility of someone else picking up Stella Glow if it were near completion and Imageepoch bankrupt. These news of today confirm that Imageepoch is really broke.
No hopes for Time and Eternity 2. Oh, wait, maybe Bamco is making it with another developer as we speak.
No hopes for Time and Eternity 2. Oh, wait, maybe Bamco is making it with another developer as we speak.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Why would someone hope for this?
Thanks. I wonder how long Imageepoch will continue to operate. If they become bankrupt, I hope Sega or other publishers will pick up their self-published titles.
I'm glad Sega picked up the game so it won't be completely forgotten.
I think the only way IE could survive is if it was a surprise hit, which wasn't going to happen anyway, but the game is going to be releasing close to Langrisser and (more importantly) Fire Emblem. It would have done better if they could have got it out.
At least the production values look pretty good. One of the better looking third party 3DS games IMO.
I think the only way IE could survive is if it was a surprise hit, which wasn't going to happen anyway, but the game is going to be releasing close to Langrisser and (more importantly) Fire Emblem. It would have done better if they could have got it out.
At least the production values look pretty good. One of the better looking third party 3DS games IMO.
Im trying to think optimistically.... but you'll probably be right haha
Hero of Legend
Member
I wonder why Sega is waiting until June 4th to release it. Maybe they just think it's a good time, still, a completed game that's not out until at least 3 months out (or whenever it was picked up)? Odd.
Probably there are things left to do other than development itself. Besides, they need some time to properly promote the game, otherwise it would not make any sense picking it up and leaving it to die.
Apparently My Game News Flash's Jin leaked some info regarding Stella Glow's status while streaming Dragon Quest Heroes back in February 27.
Someone asked Jin when [Ryohei] Mikage's new title will be out, and he replied by saying that Mikage probably won't be releasing any more new titles. The last game that he's involved in (Stella Glow) has been sold to Sega, so perhaps Sega will release it.
http://blog.hokanko-alt.com/archives/43742832.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuwCIsnFJTY&feature=youtu.be&t=20m35s
Someone asked Jin when [Ryohei] Mikage's new title will be out, and he replied by saying that Mikage probably won't be releasing any more new titles. The last game that he's involved in (Stella Glow) has been sold to Sega, so perhaps Sega will release it.
http://blog.hokanko-alt.com/archives/43742832.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuwCIsnFJTY&feature=youtu.be&t=20m35s
Hero of Legend
Member
Tsutaya's Report
- Dragon Quest Heroes for PS3 tops the charts as it was expected. The first half of the week there were stock problems, but for the second half a new shipment arrived.
- Etrian Mystery Dungeon (3DS) debuted on the second spot and was sold out at many places. With enough stock the game could've topped the charts.
For the next week:
- Yakuza 0 for PS3 and PS4 should be first and second respectively. More pre-orders than Yakuza Isshin, a bigger opening is expected.
- Mario Party 10 (WiiU) should follow, now that the commercials are running the interest is growing. Attention for Digimon Cyber Sleuth (PSV) too.
http://mantan-web.jp/2015/03/10/20150310dog00m200026000c.html?mode=pc
- Dragon Quest Heroes for PS3 tops the charts as it was expected. The first half of the week there were stock problems, but for the second half a new shipment arrived.
- Etrian Mystery Dungeon (3DS) debuted on the second spot and was sold out at many places. With enough stock the game could've topped the charts.
For the next week:
- Yakuza 0 for PS3 and PS4 should be first and second respectively. More pre-orders than Yakuza Isshin, a bigger opening is expected.
- Mario Party 10 (WiiU) should follow, now that the commercials are running the interest is growing. Attention for Digimon Cyber Sleuth (PSV) too.
http://mantan-web.jp/2015/03/10/20150310dog00m200026000c.html?mode=pc
Eolz
Member
Wow, didn't expect Etrian to be above DQS PS4 tbh. Any news on this one?
The "next week" part is nice to hear.
Pennywise83
Banned
Etrian Mystery Dungeon lower bound will be about 50k, so I guess that might be expected it will top DQH on PS4.
Sayonara IE.T_T
Moor-Angol
Banned
bomba collection 2013-2015
Toriko: Gourmet Battle!
Doki Doki! PreCure Narikiri Life!
Zyuden Sentai Kyoryuger: Game de Kaburincho!!
Mushi Bugyou
Exstetra
Model Oshare Audition: Dream Girl
Tamagotchi no Doki Doki Dream Omisecchi
Doraemon: Shin Nobita no Daimakyou
Detective Conan: Phantom Rhapsody
Touch Detective 3
Happiness Charge PreCure! Kawa-Run Collection
Gaist Crusher God
Majin Bone: Jikan to Kuukan no Majin
Cooking Mama: Watashi no Sweets Shop (0-20%)
Fujiko F. Fujio Characters Daishuugou! SF Dotabata Party!! (0-20%)
Dolly Kanon Doki Doki Tokimeki Himitsu no Ongaku Katsudou Start Desu!!
next ?
Toriko: Gourmet Battle!
Doki Doki! PreCure Narikiri Life!
Zyuden Sentai Kyoryuger: Game de Kaburincho!!
Mushi Bugyou
Exstetra
Model Oshare Audition: Dream Girl
Tamagotchi no Doki Doki Dream Omisecchi
Doraemon: Shin Nobita no Daimakyou
Detective Conan: Phantom Rhapsody
Touch Detective 3
Happiness Charge PreCure! Kawa-Run Collection
Gaist Crusher God
Majin Bone: Jikan to Kuukan no Majin
Cooking Mama: Watashi no Sweets Shop (0-20%)
Fujiko F. Fujio Characters Daishuugou! SF Dotabata Party!! (0-20%)
Dolly Kanon Doki Doki Tokimeki Himitsu no Ongaku Katsudou Start Desu!!
next ?
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Cool to hear about EO, and hopefully Yakuza & Mario Party do well.
Some updates on release dates for Warner Bros. titles in Japan?
http://www.4gamer.net/games/249/G024974/20150310072/
If someone who knows Japanese can summarize better than Google Translate...
7/2 - Batman: Arkham Knight (PS4) (along with sales expectations for the title? Hoping to hit 150K LTD)
Lego Batman 3 - PS4 / PS3 / Wii U / 3DS - 2015 (4/2?)
Lego Jurassic World - PS4 / PS3 / Wii U / 3DS - 2015 - plans to be released alongside Jurassic World movie (movie on 8/7)
Lego Ninja Go: Shadow of Ronin?
Lego Marvel Super Heroes - PS4 / PS3 / Wii U / 3DS - to be released alongside Avengers 2 (July-August)
From Google Translate: "And third measures , but indoor attractions scheduled to open this summer , " Legoland Discovery Center Osaka " . Nakahama Mr. expressed as " 2015 is the year that LEGO swells big " , showed enthusiasm want to push up the " LEGO game " series each title to 100,000 scale of sales ."
theprodigy
Member
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Careful though, Yakuza 0 while being a main entry is still a prequel. And if I'm not mistaken prequels are less strong than sequels on the markets. At least in the west.
I guess this happen because the PS4 version sold lesser than predicted? They should add local multiplayer there. For Musou fans like me and almost all my friends, we play Musou together rather than alone.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Both DQH versions probably had similar drops. I'm guessing 100k across both so LTD is at 700k without digital.
Pennywise83
Banned
RE0 sold 400k units in Japan, more than REmake (267k) and RE4 (220k); RE4 sold also around 460k on PS2, so not much better than 0. Ace Combat Zero sold less than 5 on PS2 (200k vs. 294k), while MGS3 slightly more than MGS2 (819k vs. 798k), though marketed as 3 and not 0. Peace Walker, though, still a prequel and sold better than 4 (791k vs. 700k), but on a more popular platform and actually 4 got way higher thanks to bundles and Best Releases. The second Layton trilogy was a prequel, and it had a severe decline over the first trilogy, but that was more because of franchise fatigue.
So I think that in the end it'd be reasonable to expect a drop, but if fanbase is there it should not be that dramatic. The most important thing to note will be the split PS3 / PS4.