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Meet the all-new Kindle family, including the first color Kindle
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Ovek
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I have problems with the color Kindle. It's too bloody expensive for one and the amount of storage is fine if your just reading normal books but if you start to load comics and graphic novels onto it it's going to fill up pretty fast at the very least they should have had a SD card slot for user expandability.
Better off with a 10" or 13" tablet for comics for now.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
You can also download audio books to your Kindle. If you're somebody who wants both audio books and ebooks then the extra storage is needed.
The real issue is...why are you using your KINDLE for audiobooks when you have a phone with like 10x the storage? That was always my thought at least, maybe there are old women with flip phones and crickets that might want that functionality though. I thought amazon would be a pioneer in AI audio book reading but they also own audible so its a bit of a conflict in interest unless notable audiobook narrators agree to sell their voice to AI. The degree to which specific narrators have "fans" is unnerving.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Probably costs like $2 to put 32GB of storage in a device like that. Likely wouldn't even be cheaper to go lower than 16GB, as storage at that point is mostly just charging for value not based on the cost somehow multiplying per GB.
Tertullian
Member
Update: I am very concerned about the rumors that the new Paperwhite screen is excessively warm/yellow, even with warmth set to 0. Might get the new basic model for something pocketable, or might not upgrade at all.
Methos#1975
Member
I absolutely hated reading books on my IPad but since buying a Kindle last year I've probably read well over 300 books on it. Kindles are immensely superior to tablets when it comes to reading books .
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Never followed Kindles. But reading this thread and googling it, Kindles have been around for 17 years, and they are now just doing a colour version? Wow.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
It's because ereaders use a completely different display technology than tablets, phones and monitors: text and images on the screen can be displayed forever without using power unlike regular displays. It only takes power to refresh the screen and show a new book page. That's why ereaders are as comfortable to read as regular books, but flipping pages is much slower than on other devices.
NeoIkaruGAF
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kruis
’s reply for a few details.Color e-ink has actually been a thing for a few years if I’m not mistaken, but only now the tech is deemed as viable by the big players in the market. And it still comes with caveats - there’s YT videos of people who’ve tried a bunch and they aren’t exactly praising the current results. For most people, color on ebooks is currently an expensive gimmick, and the results with actual full-color content are still way behind what you get with a tablet, or just any device with a screen.
Amazon have also pulled an Apple and priced their Colorsoft model like they’ve invented color readers. The Kobo Libra Colour seems to offer the same and more, for way less money.
Trilobit
Member
I much prefer to read comics and graphic novels on my iPad Pro. It's much snappier and easier to zoom in on different boxes. Also the size of the format suits almost perfectly for it. I suppose smaller pocket sized comics can fare better on eReaders. I hope the tech can make some revolutionary steps as I tend to get eye fatigue from digital screens.
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Color e-ink has actually been a thing for a few years if I’m not mistaken, but only now the tech is deemed as viable by the big players in the market. And it still comes with caveats - there’s YT videos of people who’ve tried a bunch and they aren’t exactly praising the current results. For most people, color on ebooks is currently an expensive gimmick, and the results with actual full-color content are still way behind what you get with a tablet, or just any device with a screen.
Amazon have also pulled an Apple and priced their Colorsoft model like they’ve invented color readers. The Kobo Libra Colour seems to offer the same and more, for way less money.
The Kobo Libra Colour that launched this year and was their first color eReader has problems with something called the screen-door effect:
The diagonal lines aren't there on b/w Kobos, but seems to be because of how color e-ink tech works. I haven't read about the same problems with the color Kindle though, so might be an issue with Kobo. Not all are bothered by it, but some say it also has problems with washed out blacks on certain light levels.
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Tertullian
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I much prefer to read comics and graphic novels on my iPad Pro. It's much snappier and easier to zoom in on different boxes. Also the size of the format suits almost perfectly for it. I suppose smaller pocket sized comics can fare better on eReaders. I hope the tech can make some revolutionary steps as I tend to get eye fatigue from digital screens.
The Kobo Libra Colour that launched this year and was their first color eReader has problems with something called the screen-door effect:
The diagonal lines aren't there on b/w Kobos, but seems to be because of how color e-ink tech works. I haven't read about the same problems with the color Kindle though, so might be an issue with Kobo. Not all are bothered by it, but some say it also has problems with washed out blacks on certain light levels.
The Kindle Colorsoft seems to be using the same basic Kaleido 3 color tech as the Kobo. It essentially has a color filter layer over the b&w e-ink screen. The color filter has only a 150 ppi resolution, negatively affects contrast and causes this screen door effect. (There are true color e-ink screens which use color in the e-ink layer, but they have even more serious problems at this stage.)
Now, Amazon is claiming they improved other aspects of the display to help improve contrast:
If that's not marketing bullshit, then the contrast on the Kindle Colorsoft may be better than on the color Kobos. But it still won't be as good as the new Paperwhites, because it will still be dragged down by the color filter layer.
Trilobit
Member
Very interesting. I guess I thought all e-ink readers used Gallery 3 tech, which to my understanding would mean that the e-ink pixels were
I looked at a comparison at different techs and G3 was very superior.
I suppose Kaleido will be the standard for a long time due to its simpler color production that only uses a filter.
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Tertullian
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I don't actually know lol. I was mostly just parroting other people. I believe that the only devices to use Gallery 3 have not been popular, and it is supposedly slow. Maybe it can be made faster but is just cost-prohibitive for a device that has traditionally been pretty cheap. I dunno.
How is the contrast? Better than last gen?
And how is the color? Is it noticeably yellow-tinted even with warmth set to 0?
Hari Seldon
Member
The Kindle Scribe looks pretty hot for those of us who still love hand writing notes.
Tams
Member
This is Amazon catching up to the competition, but as market leader they have that luxury.
It's good that they sell dedicated reading devices, but that they can take away any of your books at their will puts me off entirely.
For those getting the ColorSoft, unless Amazon has grabbed themselves an exclusivity contract, they'll be using the same panel everyone else is using. It has colour, which is a huge boon, but the contrast suffers (blacks stand out less, and most notably whites are more grey).
It's good that they sell dedicated reading devices, but that they can take away any of your books at their will puts me off entirely.
For those getting the ColorSoft, unless Amazon has grabbed themselves an exclusivity contract, they'll be using the same panel everyone else is using. It has colour, which is a huge boon, but the contrast suffers (blacks stand out less, and most notably whites are more grey).
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
It's just an option so you can have both on one device.
There are also people who consume a lot of books. I read at least one book a week. Sometimes two depending on their size. If someone is reading just on a kindle then not having to worry about storage is a blessing. Even more so for those who like to mix up ebooks and audio books.
Regarding your point about AI audio book reading, I can't answer that as I don't listen to audio books. For some reason I've never connected with them.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Interesting. I never knew that.Read
Color e-ink has actually been a thing for a few years if I’m not mistaken, but only now the tech is deemed as viable by the big players in the market. And it still comes with caveats - there’s YT videos of people who’ve tried a bunch and they aren’t exactly praising the current results. For most people, color on ebooks is currently an expensive gimmick, and the results with actual full-color content are still way behind what you get with a tablet, or just any device with a screen.
Amazon have also pulled an Apple and priced their Colorsoft model like they’ve invented color readers. The Kobo Libra Colour seems to offer the same and more, for way less money.
I thought Kindle kind of stuff were just super small and cheap monochrome tablets meant just for books.
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Those do exist, but the eink screen, if you've never seen it, is a WONDER. Much easier on the eyes than LCD, no glare, and even the backlit models have a glow that feels more natural than any active screen.
FWIW the kindle revolutionized my reading. I was able to dump TONS of physical books, particularly fiction that I'd only read once and weren't filled with maps, photos, or diagrams. I still feel that non-fiction, particularly graphics heavy stuff (like good military history books and probably lots of academic texts) are better in physical form because its easier to flip back and forth, or look at footnotes, etc.
But my physical book collection thinned out dramatically to more premium editions of known classics/beloved books or stuff the author has signed.
Another advantage is that is very easy to use a kindle one handed, trying to read a real book while eating or travelling is a big chore to me now, though I do still enjoy a nice hardback book with quality paper when at home with a pipe and tumbler of whisky. And I must admit that with age the ability to change font or brighten the screen has made it easy for the eyes. These devices have a loooong battery life as well, so you can go a week of heavy reading without needing to charge. They are also usually waterproof and fairly sand resistant, so for the beach they are perfect. Minor risk of theft but now they are often cheap enough I'm not stressing out too much. And its harder to see what you are reading, which can be a good thing or bad one depending
moxing
Neo Member
I rely on my old kindle a great deal- it cost me like 60 bucks and I've had it for most of a decade at this point. Love how it holds a charge for like a month. If the Colorsoft can give me a readable resolution, I'd definitely see about getting hold of one so i can conveniently get through my backlog of all of the IDW Transformers comics. I'd really want to see it in action- using my own files or files like mine- before I made the purchase though.
Never buy the first model year!
That sucks, wonder if response was larger than they expected, the release was rushed for some reason, or what happened at the factory.
near
Gold Member
Glad I held off. I contemplated trading in my Paperwhite for a discount and pre-ordering it.
I was browsing through the Kindle reddit page, it seems like its happened to a fair few people. Some don't really notice it, but I can see it even through the photos. Hopefully they address it quickly for those impacted. But yeah, like you say, I'll wait for the second year model or something.
Drake
Member
The colorsoft actually looks really nice. I still do 99% of my reading on my Kindle Fire HD 7" from 2013. IDK why, but I love how ebooks look on that thing even though its a tablet style screen. It's impossible to read it outside because of the glare, but I have a kindle paperwhite for that. Also, the Kindle Fire HD is super easy to navigate. I find the paper white has clunky navigation especially when you have a ton of books on it.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
would love color e-ink done properly one day, even if this one is limited
that said, the thing I find to be a massive pain when reading most academic PDFs etc is that the zooming and panning so incredibly awful to use due to lag. I spend about half my time just trying to get the zoom to the right spot or pan around without messing it up. I wish they'd come up with another solution for that.
that said, the thing I find to be a massive pain when reading most academic PDFs etc is that the zooming and panning so incredibly awful to use due to lag. I spend about half my time just trying to get the zoom to the right spot or pan around without messing it up. I wish they'd come up with another solution for that.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
I do prefer physical books, whenever possibleWelcome to the club
But what I try to use Kindle for is reading research in my off time, which means a whole lot of PDFs. And the interface just sucks for that, even if the text looks good.
TwiztidElf
Gold Member
Holy Mandella effect Batman!
I'm definitely from an alternate dimension where color kindles were already a thing at least five years ago.
I'm definitely from an alternate dimension where color kindles were already a thing at least five years ago.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
I want the new Scribe and they are offing 20% off on new kindle purchases(~$89 off) and $85 bucks for the trade in.
My device is immaculate and if anyone would like to buy the last model 64 gb with case for around $180 USD let me know and I will pop it on the marketplace page.
My device is immaculate and if anyone would like to buy the last model 64 gb with case for around $180 USD let me know and I will pop it on the marketplace page.
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
Might sound weird, but I’d like a faster cpu in the device. Browsing the store on any of my old kindles is sluggish as hell.
Color? Not that interesti g as I am not into comics. Then again, might read articles, but why not just buy an ordinary tablet then.
Color? Not that interesti g as I am not into comics. Then again, might read articles, but why not just buy an ordinary tablet then.
Queso de Grande
Member
I'm kinda bummed they didn't have a premium Kindle anymore. I have an Oasis and would love an updated one. Hell, I would be happy if it just updated to usb-c instead of the micro-usb charger.
Trilobit
Member
If I didn't know you were talking about reading I'd say you were the most easily entertained person on Earth.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Little Mac
Gold Member
Is the e-ink display of these kindles significantly better for eye health compared to say an iPad. I already have an old iPad but thinking about grabbing a kindle paper white to read an hour or so before bed. Does it emit blue light that fucks with your sleep like an iPad?
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TDiddyLive
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I don’t know anything about the kindles, but you do know Apple products have a night shift mode specifically for that reason, right?
E-Cat
Member
A book is just a non-interactive text file.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
And when I'm gone those text files on my Kindle are worthless. When I'm gone so are they. My books can be passed on to others for enjoyment/research, or sold for money.
Little Mac
Gold Member
Evidently Night Shift is not as effective as people believe it to be and screen brightness needs to be significantly reduced in conjunction with a shift to warmer colors for there to be less of an harmful effect on melatonin production.
“Results showed that all three lighting interventions significantly suppressed melatonin over the two hours of each study night. More importantly, there was no significant difference between the effectiveness of the two Night Shift settings. The study’s main takeaway is that changing screen color alone is insufficient for limiting the impact of PEDs on melatonin levels in the evening, and that screen brightness should also be reduced.”
Still researching but evidently iPads have backlights whereas Kindles have front lights. This difference in display technology supposively is important and allow kindles to be used before bed without such a negative effect on sleep quality. Not sure. Might just buy a book.
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The paperwhite at least can be set to a very low "warm" yellow color that allows me to read at night without bothering my wife or getting that "bright screen in your face" stimulation. Basically, the screen glows just enough to read.
E-Cat
Member
But can a book receive DLC? Huh? Huh??
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
lol.
Thankfully not. When I buy a book I'm getting the complete package. That's also the same for digital books.....................................for now.
Books can be "edited" if you don't have a secure copy saved first. Digital books coming from places like Amazon are 100% liable to be "updated for modern audiences" so buy paper books for stuff you really care about.
They do have a return policy. If you hate it, send it back.
Just give your ancestors your password bro.
Soodanim
Gold Member
I don't think dead people care about his password
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