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Werewolf Jones
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Opera for people with no GCSEs.
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Used to love the Sky Sports coverage 10/15 years ago. Now it just seems to be aimed at influencers and tik tokers without much attention span.
When Sky had their 'Super Sunday' they used to do deep dives about the club, the culture, behind the scenes etc now it just seems to be about image rights and how many gambling adverts they can cram in.
PS - Peps a fraud - has only ever worked with the best players and clubs he can sub a 150 million pound player for another 200 million pound player. Give him a bottom 6 premier league club without billions to spend and see how far he would get.
When Sky had their 'Super Sunday' they used to do deep dives about the club, the culture, behind the scenes etc now it just seems to be about image rights and how many gambling adverts they can cram in.
PS - Peps a fraud - has only ever worked with the best players and clubs he can sub a 150 million pound player for another 200 million pound player. Give him a bottom 6 premier league club without billions to spend and see how far he would get.
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EerieArcade
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Yeah, not a fan of modern footy. Preferred it in the 90s. Mind you, that was the last time my team was any good 
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Maybe (I admit I haven't watched much footy these last years), but go watch a match from the 70s or 80s today and you'll fall asleep in no time. It used to be soooo slow.
Lunarorbit
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True futbol
T8SC
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True futbol
That's handball.
Or Rugby with a helmet cos they're soft.
Also some serious rose tinted glasses by OP. Go watch matches with the bog fest pitches of the 70s and 80s where they wore baggy clothes and everything was 3x slower. The only people who liked that era are Liverpool, Aberdeen & Forest fans.
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Trunx81
Gold Member
Nah, that’s commercials interrupted by some people throwing an egg.
clarky
Gold Member
Now there is a boring game if i ever saw one.
True futbol
Be thankful you dont live over the pond then you would have something to moan about
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RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
I don't get American Football, closed league same teams playing the same old teams year in year out with no facility for shit teams to go down and newer teams to be promoted, makes the whole thing seem shit to me
clarky
Gold Member
Too much money involved. Its a simlar idea to that European super league thingy they floated the other year
But yeah boring as fuck. wheres the fun if you cant go down, or up? Low stakes shite.
DKehoe
Member
I think there's always going to be a nostalgia for the stuff people grew up on and a sense that it's not like it used to be.
The videos touch on a few things, so I'm probably just going to ramble a bit here.
Diving is obviously an issue. Although I feel like these days VAR makes it harder for someone to get away with a complete dive, in the sense of there being no contact. But it does mean that if there is some contact then it can be played up as much as possible and the potential reward that a penalty can give you means that players aren't going to pass those opportunities up. Trying to "win a foul" is something that is seen far more often now and the ability to do so is even a quality in a player that gets talked about positively by the media and sought out by clubs.
In terms of foreign players, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Football is an international game and players coming together from all over the world to form a team is quite cool to me. I do think it's good for clubs to be part of and represent their community and you do still see that in teams with local players coming up through team's academies. To name a few Manchester United have Marcus Rashford, Liverpool have Trent Alexander-Arnold, Manchester City have Phil Foden, Barcelona have Lamine Yamal, Real Madrid have Dani Carvajal and Bayern Munich have Thomas Muller. I could go on, but you get the idea. A lot of the time these huge clubs who spend vast sums still have players within the squad, often important ones, who embody that club's community. If you're a young kid who goes along to the matches you can look at them and think if they can do it then you could too. I wouldn't claim to be an expert in FFP/PSR financial rules, but my understanding is that investment into the academy is an expense that doesn't necessarily count towards those calculations. So within the game clubs are still very much encouraged to invest in the development of young players and while that can mean ones scouted from all over the world, the core of any club's academy does tend to be youngsters from the local area.
Ticket prices are getting ridiculous and local fans are being priced out of being able to attend each week in favour of tourists who are willing to pay quite a lot for a one off visit. Away fans are also regularly getting gouged by the home club too, which is particularly shitty when it comes to European games for those who are already shelling out a fair bit for flights, hotels etc. Your own club will sometimes subsidise that but it can still price some people out and you risk losing some of that fan culture that brings so much to the game. The Champions League final has something like 50% of its tickets allocated to sponsors and other "VIPs" meaning actual fans aren't really a priority. It's the biggest club game of the year but the atmosphere often isn't great as a result of that ticket allocation.
That first video touches on some cultural/identity issues, particularly in regards to men. I do think football still holds an important place in male culture. Obviously not every guy is into football but if you both are then it gives you an instant talking point. If you're meeting a friend of a friend for the first time on a night out or there's a new guy at your work then "see the game last night?" is a great icebreaker and you can then bond if you support the same team or take the piss out of each other if you don't.
I'm not a fan of how much gambling has crept into football. I saw that this season more than half of the sponsors are related to gambling. Then when you're watching games on TV you're getting a shitload of gambling adverts, ex-players have YouTube shows sponsored by gambling sites, the podcasts have adverts for gambling on them. It's everywhere.
When you look at how they came down on Sandro Tonali like a ton of bricks for gambling it's hard to feel it's not a bit hypocritical. Obviously I get that they need to be careful about players potentially rigging outcomes to win money betting but everyone else around the players seems to be benefitting from gambling.
I'm not going to spend much time getting into the identity politics the first video goes into. The stuff about how the French team aren't really French and "most of them are just from West Africa, some of them not even one generation removed" is pretty moronic. He's even whining about how there's only one white guy in the picture when you can see there are four. Also, if I'm not mistaken, every player in that lineup was born in France. So he's just talking shit. The guy comes across as someone who is more into moaning about identity politics than someone who actually cares about football. If you jump back to the 90s, the French team that won the 1998 World Cup was made up of a variety of ethnic backgrounds. Clutching pearls about "wokeness gone mad" in 2024 or whatever is ridiculous. But it seems like that's the angle that channel goes for.
Then there's the second video, which does seem more genuine in its interest in football.
I do think that individualism has been downplayed a lot in modern football. Now you see a lot more of players being expected to fit into a certain role within a system. These days a lot of clubs prioritise a system with defined roles that people slot into, whether that be the players or the manager. They get brought in because the club identifies them as being able to fill a role and they are then expected to carry that role out in the way that's outlined to them rather than just doing what they feel they want to. Obviously you do always want some structure but it seems like player agency is being decreased in favour of patterns of play. It can obviously be really effective, means that the entire system shouldn't be relying on a single individual to make it work and anyone can be replaced if they get injured, get bought or start asking for too much money. A counter to that kind of system-first approach, which I think it's fair to say Guardiola operates on, is someone like Carlo Ancelotti. Rather than making players conform to the system, Ancelotti looks at the players he has and builds a system around their strengths. He's tactically flexible and places a large emphasis on individual creativity. He's been hugely successful doing that. So there is still room in the game for players to express themselves and the individual to be considered, not just the system. Even with Guardiola, I think it's fair to say that Haaland probably isn't who you would think of as a Guardiola-style #9. But he's an exceptional talent and Guardiola has been able to tweak his system to accommodate that.
There is more of a uniformity in play these days with a lot of teams trying to do similar things. But the thing about football is if you can make it work then it works. If teams want to try and play out from the back and then shit the bed doing so then that's on them. I do think you see a lot more complaining, both from fans as well as figures in the game like players, managers and pundits, that a team doesn't play "the right way." But if a team wants to play a procession style of play and not do much with it and then the other team grabs a goal on a counter-attack in the 89th minute then that's their fault for not being able to make the most of their chances and/or shut down the opponents.
Football is an ever-evolving thing. Even with Guardiola, you see him making tweaks as he progresses season to season. His current Man City team and his first Barcelona one might share overall principles but they are doing things differently from each other on a moment-to-moment basis. At some point the game will move past his ideas, much like they did with Rinus Michels or Arrigo Sacchi. Someone will come along and either evolve it, like how Cryuff built on what Michels established and Guardiola then built on that, or someone will come up with a style that counters it. I'm not claiming to be some tactical expert by any means but from the bits I've read and watched maybe something like Relationism will start to take hold more.
Teams don't play like they did decades ago and I think it's a bit naive to have this "The End Of History" style approach to football tactics that maybe we've just hit the ultimate evolution of football and things are now just going to stay this way forever.
The videos touch on a few things, so I'm probably just going to ramble a bit here.
Diving is obviously an issue. Although I feel like these days VAR makes it harder for someone to get away with a complete dive, in the sense of there being no contact. But it does mean that if there is some contact then it can be played up as much as possible and the potential reward that a penalty can give you means that players aren't going to pass those opportunities up. Trying to "win a foul" is something that is seen far more often now and the ability to do so is even a quality in a player that gets talked about positively by the media and sought out by clubs.
In terms of foreign players, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Football is an international game and players coming together from all over the world to form a team is quite cool to me. I do think it's good for clubs to be part of and represent their community and you do still see that in teams with local players coming up through team's academies. To name a few Manchester United have Marcus Rashford, Liverpool have Trent Alexander-Arnold, Manchester City have Phil Foden, Barcelona have Lamine Yamal, Real Madrid have Dani Carvajal and Bayern Munich have Thomas Muller. I could go on, but you get the idea. A lot of the time these huge clubs who spend vast sums still have players within the squad, often important ones, who embody that club's community. If you're a young kid who goes along to the matches you can look at them and think if they can do it then you could too. I wouldn't claim to be an expert in FFP/PSR financial rules, but my understanding is that investment into the academy is an expense that doesn't necessarily count towards those calculations. So within the game clubs are still very much encouraged to invest in the development of young players and while that can mean ones scouted from all over the world, the core of any club's academy does tend to be youngsters from the local area.
Ticket prices are getting ridiculous and local fans are being priced out of being able to attend each week in favour of tourists who are willing to pay quite a lot for a one off visit. Away fans are also regularly getting gouged by the home club too, which is particularly shitty when it comes to European games for those who are already shelling out a fair bit for flights, hotels etc. Your own club will sometimes subsidise that but it can still price some people out and you risk losing some of that fan culture that brings so much to the game. The Champions League final has something like 50% of its tickets allocated to sponsors and other "VIPs" meaning actual fans aren't really a priority. It's the biggest club game of the year but the atmosphere often isn't great as a result of that ticket allocation.
That first video touches on some cultural/identity issues, particularly in regards to men. I do think football still holds an important place in male culture. Obviously not every guy is into football but if you both are then it gives you an instant talking point. If you're meeting a friend of a friend for the first time on a night out or there's a new guy at your work then "see the game last night?" is a great icebreaker and you can then bond if you support the same team or take the piss out of each other if you don't.
I'm not a fan of how much gambling has crept into football. I saw that this season more than half of the sponsors are related to gambling. Then when you're watching games on TV you're getting a shitload of gambling adverts, ex-players have YouTube shows sponsored by gambling sites, the podcasts have adverts for gambling on them. It's everywhere.
When you look at how they came down on Sandro Tonali like a ton of bricks for gambling it's hard to feel it's not a bit hypocritical. Obviously I get that they need to be careful about players potentially rigging outcomes to win money betting but everyone else around the players seems to be benefitting from gambling.
I'm not going to spend much time getting into the identity politics the first video goes into. The stuff about how the French team aren't really French and "most of them are just from West Africa, some of them not even one generation removed" is pretty moronic. He's even whining about how there's only one white guy in the picture when you can see there are four. Also, if I'm not mistaken, every player in that lineup was born in France. So he's just talking shit. The guy comes across as someone who is more into moaning about identity politics than someone who actually cares about football. If you jump back to the 90s, the French team that won the 1998 World Cup was made up of a variety of ethnic backgrounds. Clutching pearls about "wokeness gone mad" in 2024 or whatever is ridiculous. But it seems like that's the angle that channel goes for.
Then there's the second video, which does seem more genuine in its interest in football.
I do think that individualism has been downplayed a lot in modern football. Now you see a lot more of players being expected to fit into a certain role within a system. These days a lot of clubs prioritise a system with defined roles that people slot into, whether that be the players or the manager. They get brought in because the club identifies them as being able to fill a role and they are then expected to carry that role out in the way that's outlined to them rather than just doing what they feel they want to. Obviously you do always want some structure but it seems like player agency is being decreased in favour of patterns of play. It can obviously be really effective, means that the entire system shouldn't be relying on a single individual to make it work and anyone can be replaced if they get injured, get bought or start asking for too much money. A counter to that kind of system-first approach, which I think it's fair to say Guardiola operates on, is someone like Carlo Ancelotti. Rather than making players conform to the system, Ancelotti looks at the players he has and builds a system around their strengths. He's tactically flexible and places a large emphasis on individual creativity. He's been hugely successful doing that. So there is still room in the game for players to express themselves and the individual to be considered, not just the system. Even with Guardiola, I think it's fair to say that Haaland probably isn't who you would think of as a Guardiola-style #9. But he's an exceptional talent and Guardiola has been able to tweak his system to accommodate that.
There is more of a uniformity in play these days with a lot of teams trying to do similar things. But the thing about football is if you can make it work then it works. If teams want to try and play out from the back and then shit the bed doing so then that's on them. I do think you see a lot more complaining, both from fans as well as figures in the game like players, managers and pundits, that a team doesn't play "the right way." But if a team wants to play a procession style of play and not do much with it and then the other team grabs a goal on a counter-attack in the 89th minute then that's their fault for not being able to make the most of their chances and/or shut down the opponents.
Football is an ever-evolving thing. Even with Guardiola, you see him making tweaks as he progresses season to season. His current Man City team and his first Barcelona one might share overall principles but they are doing things differently from each other on a moment-to-moment basis. At some point the game will move past his ideas, much like they did with Rinus Michels or Arrigo Sacchi. Someone will come along and either evolve it, like how Cryuff built on what Michels established and Guardiola then built on that, or someone will come up with a style that counters it. I'm not claiming to be some tactical expert by any means but from the bits I've read and watched maybe something like Relationism will start to take hold more.
Teams don't play like they did decades ago and I think it's a bit naive to have this "The End Of History" style approach to football tactics that maybe we've just hit the ultimate evolution of football and things are now just going to stay this way forever.
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diffusionx
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Baseball in the mid-10s had a problem when nerds took over. They pushed for a really bad, boring brand of baseball that was not fun, and the team that was at the forefront of that cheated by banging trash cans to win a World Series. But for a long time the hardcore baseball fans denied the reality, that baseball was just becoming a really boring and ugly sport to watch. It was not fun anymore. And sure enough ratings really started to drop, although local attendance held steady. At some point, though, the league realized this, started experimenting, and implemented rule changes. These rule changes have, for the most part, worked. It's a much better on field product today than it was 3-5 years ago. It's faster paced, more exciting, more varied, more dynamic, just much better.
But I don't think that FIFA or whatever has the gumption to do what MLB did. I will say what I did in the NBA thread, that international level soccer (Euro/WC) is for the most part excruciating to watch. It's just unbelievably shitty to watch. Hardcore soccer fans can deny it, fair enough, but it is what it is.
But I don't think that FIFA or whatever has the gumption to do what MLB did. I will say what I did in the NBA thread, that international level soccer (Euro/WC) is for the most part excruciating to watch. It's just unbelievably shitty to watch. Hardcore soccer fans can deny it, fair enough, but it is what it is.
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SirTerry-T
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Fucking VAR...
Hrk69
Member
clarky
Gold Member
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Bad example.
Goal line technology could have sorted that one out.
Var brings its own set of problems.
Bad example.
Goal line technology could have sorted that one out.
Var brings its own set of problems.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
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Hrk69
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T8SC
Member
clarky
Gold Member
Not even a pube at times its ridiculous.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
I always dislike Football
clarky
Gold Member
Good.
T8SC
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Boralf
Member
Daphisto
Member
True futbol
Hrk69
Member
NuclearDiarrhea
Member
I'm the only one in my family who doesn't like Football and they all think i'm gay. A bunch of sweaty men in shorts kicking a ball around for 90 minutes while intentionally diving on the floor pretending to be hurt like a bunch of pussies and they think i am gay for not watching that shit.
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Laptop1991
Member
It is boring now and far too corporate, it's all about the money and the top league, and it started with SKY in England, before then it was so much more important with football being played everywhere, in the streets or garages by kids and adults and now its hard to find anyone playing football and the players were so much more skill full in the past with 2 feet, maybe not as fit but they were better players, and it was a massive community inclusion thing from every area, more important than life and death Shanks said lol, not now, the money is. look how bad the last world cup was!.
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clarky
Gold Member
Sounds like you're gay to me.
T8SC
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clarky
Gold Member
Game should be played in real time. Not pausing to analyse for half an hour whether or not Mo Salads left nut swung into an offside position for 30ms
clarky
Gold Member
That Beckham goal still sends shivers down my spine. Perfection.It's not boring, here's proof.
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T8SC
Member
Agreed. 90+ mins and he pulls that out the bag. Absolutely perfect. People underrate how good he was because of his celeb lifestyle, but the man had some serious talent.
Dr.Morris79
Member
Boring is being a Tottenham supporter..
And most of your mates being Arsenal Wankers
And most of your mates being Arsenal Wankers
Hrk69
Member
Here's a tip: if the review process is too much for you to handle, use that time to grab a snack, take a walk, or maybe reflect on why you think fairness should be sacrificed just to keep your precious viewing experience uninterrupted.
clarky
Gold Member
I've been watching football For 40 years. I prefer the old way.
Mistakes are made with VAR also, it has nothing to do with "my precious viewing experience," from the stands i might add.
Stick your "tips" up your arse. You sound like an armchair man utd fan.
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jufonuk
not tag worthy
Why I prefer rugby overall. Except when South Africa play as they do a variation of this winding the other team up delaying for time etc.
I have been to a few love footie matches and it’s better when you are there for bits on all the time on tv to me it just seems like a parody of itself.
I do not understand how people can watch it all day.
I have been to a few love footie matches and it’s better when you are there for bits on all the time on tv to me it just seems like a parody of itself.
I do not understand how people can watch it all day.
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clarky
Gold Member
Egg chasing is also for gays
jufonuk
not tag worthy
ForAcademicPurposes
Member
For real though. I look at the wankers on the pitch nowadays and I ask to myself. Who are these goombas?
ForAcademicPurposes
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Mercenaries.
T8SC
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I hesitate to ask but what is egg chasing?
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