Killjoy-NL
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Why would they buy an Xbox for any game? Everything will be coming to Playstation anyway.
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Natedrake - Fable will release on PS5 in 2026 (speculates it's the reason for the delay)
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Until and unless they port Lost Odyssey to the PS5, this statement will remain untrue
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Yep. And if Sony has the marketing deal, people who own an Xbox Series S are probably going to jump ship to PlayStation.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Everything going forward*Until and unless they port Lost Odyssey to the PS5, this statement will remain untrue
yazenov
Member
Phil is that cuck on the right.
Gambit2483
Member
It's not enough that Sony is canceling its own games.
Now it's causing games Xbros want to play to be delayed too.
Effigenius
Member
If you have kids, gamepass is a fantastic reason to get an Xbox.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Sure, but we were talking about it in the context of GTAVI. The series s blurriness is a real issue. I think it's too much even for "normies."
Eventually the day will come when the PS5/Steam/Switch whatever will release first with the 'free' gamepass version trailing by a few days, then a week, then a month. But wait you can pay extra to speed the time gap up 
They need to make money and obviously gamepass does impact real sales at full price. I'm not sure if MS can have their cake and eat it too.
They need to make money and obviously gamepass does impact real sales at full price. I'm not sure if MS can have their cake and eat it too.
Sebastian1295
Member
Indiana jones was a great game and still bombed sales wise from what we know. It did terrible on steam and they never mentioned the sales on xbox. Hi-fi rush was also a great game and bombed sales wise and caused the studio to close. Being a great game isn't enough for xbox exclusives because gamepass has killed all the sales potential from their first party studio releases on said platform.
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Onq123...onq123...onq123It's all your fault
If they picked up a series for $150 when they were on firesale couple years back, the price jump to a ps5 digital may still be a step too far. Probably couple years before price may drop enough for them to move up.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Technically, Switch 2 starts the next generation. Then, if the next Xbox (whatever it may be) comes along, PS6 in 2028 would be super late to the party!
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IllegalLemon
Member
"Phil makes it clear that a new Xbox is years away"
Gamers: A new Xbox is coming in 2026.
Where's the logic in that, how did people make that assertion? Even after those claims were refuted by Corden and later Grubb, who put it out there that there's no next gen Xbox or Xbox prime set for a 2026 launch, people are still insisting and incredibly persistent of a new gen Xbox coming in 2026.
I still don't understand where that all that hopium comes from. If anything, the earliest we'll see the first next gen console launch, is the year 2027. Just because Xbox's hope of crushing the sales of the Xbox one fell apart, doesn't mean that they've made or are making plans of launching a new gen a year earlier than anticipated, even if people saw that in leaked ftc documents. Plans change.
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its hopium/copuim poisoning.
makes zero sense for them to release a console in 2026. it won't even do series numbers.
they are also in no position to kickstart a gen. people struggle to internalize this but they are a third party publisher now.
ps5 will be the main development platform for all their studios all the way into 2030
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panda-zebra
Member
Any releases recently have only been harmed by not being day and date on ps5. Giving the game more time to be ready and pushing it up to a planned ps5 release date should be a double win - for anyone wanting to play a proper version of the game at launch and MS themselves in terms of marketing/perception/etc. You can only make the hype cycle last so long and nobody likes sloppy seconds.
The next "xbox" hardware is a handheld PC. The next xbox console will come same time as ps6 dictated by AMD's roadmap.
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Coloress_Kafka
Member
Come on now, it’s not like Xbox is posting Wii U numbers. It’s still a very viable ecosystem that still has many other 3rd party games. So pretty much anyone with an Xbox One can see the Xbox Series as a logical upgrade to carry over purchases.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i think you are overestimating how much damage the brand has taken over the years. the way sales are free falling suggest people don't see it as a viable ecosystem. and that word has been doing a lot of heavy lifting over the years.
Sooner
Gold Member
So they can play Roblox and Minecraft and never touch anything else?
Humdinger
Gold Member
Yes, I think it is - or at least, there are instances where that is the case. Starfield would be a good example. There was a lot of hype, marketing, and expectation before Starfield released. All of that dissipated within a month or two after release, because people got their hands on the game, and many were disappointed. Now, Starfield is a known quantity.
When Starfield eventually releases on PS5, it will no longer be the beneficiary of all that hype and expectation that preceded its release on Xbox. People will be like, "Oh, ok, Starfield is coming over. That's nice. What's for dinner?" All the air has gone out of its balloon. The hype and expectation aren't there anymore. That's not to say it won't sell a decent amount, but it won't be nearly as much as if it had been a simultaneous release.
You could object that Starfield represents an unusual case because of the long delay, and that's true, although I think the same can be said of a game like Indy, although on a lesser scale. I think the hype around the game will be diminished when it comes to PS, even though the delay is relatively short. People will still buy it, but it won't have the groundswell of enthusiasm you saw when it released on Xbox. The hype won't be there - not as much. The mystery and anticipation won't be there, because it's a known quantity.
I think MS understands that they decrease potential PS sales with delays. They are messing around with what is now an essential source of revenue (and in terms of platforms, their largest source). I don't think they want to sacrifice sales on PS5. Day and date releases are a better bet for them. (It also probably cuts down on marketing costs, because they don't have to market the game in two phases).
IllegalLemon
Member
Which is the most perfectly reasonable assertion to make based on the traditional 7 year life cycle gen on gen.
Sooner
Gold Member
It can go either way. Starfield was originally touted as a huge deal with game of the generation potential. So, it launched to big numbers.
But, the game was average and that quickly became apparent. So, when they launch it on PS5, it won't be a huge deal, like it could have been day one.
But other games, end up being much more popular than expected. As word of mouth spreads, the game becomes bigger than anyone expected. Helldivers 2 is a recent example. This wasn't seen as an overly big release at first, but if it came to Xbox now, it would be a huge deal.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Can you give me an example where it works that way on Xbox? Where a game benefits from a delay, because it is an unexpected hit? I can't think of one.
Fabieter
Member
The same is gonna be true for a PC.
RetroGamingUK
Member
It’s been that way for nearly a decade.
If it didn’t sway people then it’s not going to sway people now.
Killjoy-NL
Member
True, but PC and consoles are different markets with different demographics.
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
People still have large Xbox libraries they don't want to leave plus for some Gamepass is still attractive plus just being brutally honest some just don't care about PS games
I know several people including my adult son that checks every one of these boxes
Killjoy-NL
Member
Bolded will always be the case for any platform.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Just answering the question why people would still choose a new Xbox over a PS
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I said the same thing.
Killjoy-NL
Member
That's why I've always said Xbox will sell 20M units at best if they release a next-gen console.Just answering the question why people would still choose a new Xbox over a PS
There will always be a market for it. That's a given.
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
Then you answered your own question
Killjoy-NL
Member
Yes, although it was a rhetorical question.Then you answered your own question
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Zacfoldor
Member
They are heavily invested in gamepass and barely subsisting. They want to get out of the hardware market but can't because they realize PC can't pick up the slack.
If their next hardware fails, they will be in a tight spot. They need to offer some competitive advantage. They HATE relying on console hardware I'm sure, but it is hard to argue that gampass would continue to exists as a PC only service in its current state.
DJ12
Member
A good point, poor reviews and user feedback from Xbox beta testers would harm sales on PlayStation.
Release them at the same time and get more saps buying it.
Zacfoldor
Member
Oh, this?
Yeah man, look everyone...PC gamers have told me that if games from Playstation don't release day and date on PC then they are "old" and Sony should not be charging full price for them.
If that is true, then the same goes for Playstation. Xbox needs to release games day and date, otherwise they are "old" and nobody will buy them. Launches cannot be staggered they need to be simultaneous. Also, for the same reason, because it would make no sense for Sony to do day and date on PC, and because of the long cheese vs short cheese argument, they should stop releasing their SP games on PC at all.
Everyone probably already felt this but it has never been put into words for yall. You know when a game comes out the zeitgeist looks at it like fresh meat. Everyone wants it. Within 2 weeks our zeitgeist, our shared consciousness has moved on. After that, only enthusiasts or bargain hunters will give you a second look, so you need to get your normie selling done in the first 2 weeks. It's just like persona. The impact of real live events on Mementos are both grand and fleeting. Your game has everyone's attention for 2 weeks, then it is old news forever. The specific platform it releases on it irrelevant.
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DJ12
Member
Nice rant, would be more relevant if Xbox had released some game of the year candidates/winners recently though.
#SonyToo isn't a one size fits all.
I also never said anything about them being old, it was more there's time to filter through from users that they aren't that good.
Fabieter
Member
Different markets which have the very same offerings, interesting!
Killjoy-NL
Member
Is it?
The reason Xbox is bringing their games to PS5, like Fable apparently, is because Xbox and Playstation are fighting over the same demographic in the same market, with Playstation taking the lion's share.
That's much more interesting.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Pretty much
The last time Xbox had a differentiator was Kinect.
I’d say the dire state of Xbox One console exclusives really cost their reputation, and when we look back at this generation when it’s over Xbox Series will have an even worse slate of exclusives.
Effigenius
Member
You buy gta for you and gamepass for your kids. And get an x, not an s, of course.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Xbox should get an increase in sales when GTAVI releases... i think everyone is taking that for granted. but an increase that offset 3 years of decline? I don't think so.