Insane Metal
Member
Can I has an OLED pleaseI just want to make clear that this is an elite club.
I don’t want to see any dirty backlight peasants in here.
Go and enjoy your shades of gray.
my new c9 is currently on the way
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NeoGaf OLED owners thread
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Clarissa
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My C7 that I gave to my parents has almost 8000 hours usage and it has zero burn in. I take good care of my stuff.
Ulysses 31
Member
But should really being into a certain game or channel for a while be considered as not taking care of your TV these days?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So what does that mean? I'm thinking of getting the Samsung QLED 8500 or the LG C9 next year, yet I'm not sure what "take good care of my stuff" means.
I think it is more or less like plasma vs. LED ten years ago.
LED was hassle-free, no burn-in, lightweight, less energy consuming, had better contrast on sunny days, easier in transport etc.
But if you wanted picture quality above everything, you would get Pioneer Kuro plasma.
fast_taker
Member
I got a C9 and i really love it. OLED tvs are absolutely amazing.
DapperSloth
Member
I have a PS4 Pro and a 65" C9.
I read on www.flatpanelshd.com that using Cinema (And not Cinema Home, it is too bright) is best for HDR-content.
"Switching our attention to HDR, we see very similar results. Avoid the Vivid and Standard HDR picture mode, if you want accurate pictures. The Cinema and Technicolor modes are quite good for HDR. "
And for gaming side, if you want a really accurate picture, you can use ISF Expert Dark Room (the most picture accurate for SDR-content) mode paired with VRR.
"Another new feature this year is the option to turn on game mode with any picture mode in the TV, which means that you can now select either 'Game' picture mode (which is not very picture accurate) or you can chose to flip on a game switch when the TV is running in other picture modes. This will produce the same low input lag. This is very useful, if you do not have access to calibration equipment, which we assume that 99.99% of our readers do not have, but still want accurate picture quality in gaming. "
I personally do not recommend having any Dynamic Contrast on, as it messes with the picture and brightness levels, even if set to Low. Color Gamut set to Auto, Color Temp to Warm 2 (may lower to Warm 1 if to yellowy and warm) for accurate skin tones. Gamma set to 2.2 (BT 1886 is to dark IMO, even if it is used in movies).
And please, for the love of god, enable "Aspect Ratio" to "Original" and "Just Scan" to "ON". This will get you a 1:1 pixel perfect picture! You can find these options directly in the "Picture" Settings.
Always set your Game Console and TV to the same Black Level! On PS4 it should always be set to "Limited" and "Low" on your OLED. HDR can only handle Limited Black levels anyway. You can also set it to "Full" and "High" on your TV. As long as they match. Otherwise you get a bright and very dull picture.
For the settings:
OLED Light: Between 50-80. To high and you risk faster burn-in, to low and you can't see shit.
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Sharpness: 10
Tint: 0
Source: https://flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1559035462
I read on www.flatpanelshd.com that using Cinema (And not Cinema Home, it is too bright) is best for HDR-content.
"Switching our attention to HDR, we see very similar results. Avoid the Vivid and Standard HDR picture mode, if you want accurate pictures. The Cinema and Technicolor modes are quite good for HDR. "
And for gaming side, if you want a really accurate picture, you can use ISF Expert Dark Room (the most picture accurate for SDR-content) mode paired with VRR.
"Another new feature this year is the option to turn on game mode with any picture mode in the TV, which means that you can now select either 'Game' picture mode (which is not very picture accurate) or you can chose to flip on a game switch when the TV is running in other picture modes. This will produce the same low input lag. This is very useful, if you do not have access to calibration equipment, which we assume that 99.99% of our readers do not have, but still want accurate picture quality in gaming. "
I personally do not recommend having any Dynamic Contrast on, as it messes with the picture and brightness levels, even if set to Low. Color Gamut set to Auto, Color Temp to Warm 2 (may lower to Warm 1 if to yellowy and warm) for accurate skin tones. Gamma set to 2.2 (BT 1886 is to dark IMO, even if it is used in movies).
And please, for the love of god, enable "Aspect Ratio" to "Original" and "Just Scan" to "ON". This will get you a 1:1 pixel perfect picture! You can find these options directly in the "Picture" Settings.
Always set your Game Console and TV to the same Black Level! On PS4 it should always be set to "Limited" and "Low" on your OLED. HDR can only handle Limited Black levels anyway. You can also set it to "Full" and "High" on your TV. As long as they match. Otherwise you get a bright and very dull picture.
For the settings:
OLED Light: Between 50-80. To high and you risk faster burn-in, to low and you can't see shit.
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Sharpness: 10
Tint: 0
Source: https://flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1559035462
Ulysses 31
Member
skneogaf
Member
Just picked up a 65" LG C9 and moved my 65" Samsung ks8000 to my bedroom. The black are definitely noticeably better and the gsync works well although using my pc it's hard to not go above 120fps at 1440p.
I must admit I'm not enjoying having a tv that can get screen burn again, I foh d it annoying when I last had my 60" plasma and it feels the same Already.
I will be on edge if my girlfriend moves in.
I must admit I'm not enjoying having a tv that can get screen burn again, I foh d it annoying when I last had my 60" plasma and it feels the same Already.
I will be on edge if my girlfriend moves in.
marquimvfs
Member
As I'm a person that tend to not upgrade my stuff just because, I like to watch discussions about OLED tvs and see if I'm losing something. The last time I upgraded my TV was because I left my mother's house and came to my own place. I used to have a (not very good) Samsung P240 24" LCD monitor for movies, pc and HD games and a 20" Trinitron for retro stuff. When moving, I researched the best bang for the buck that was available here in Brazil and ended having to choose between the Sony bravias w800b and w900b. Ended choosing the w800b because the w900 available was using IPS panel no matter the size, had poor 240p handling and used active 3D instead of passive. Having said that, it's not like I'm not aware of the tech evolution, or cannot "see" the differences like an average consumer, I know OLEDs have better image than my old VA TV, but the compromise is too great at the time to upgrade. Nobody can say for sure that burn in isn't a thing, and I take very good care of my gadgets for them to last the longer they can. I can see myself being very happy with the IQ increase (I think the thing I'm missing the most is HDR), but having to change TV's with a fraction of time I'm used to would bring me great remorse. If my great (yes, it's better than most of non fancy enthusiast TV's to this day) w800b dies tomorrow, I most certainly will not buy an OLED, and that's sad.
Nethernova
Member
my c9 arrived today and hollyyyy fucking shit hdr destroys what i was already happy with on the c7. fucking worth it for me based on that alone. MUCH brighter and thats on game mode. very happy with the upgrade so far. unfortunately we dont get gsync update here until mid dec and that was THE reason i upgraded but still, very happy
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Same it looks and always did look like wank
GymWolf
Member
Imtjnotu
Member
please please please tell me what you think of this soundbar. ive been using my sony x9000F for over a year now and was thinking of upgrading
Download the update from the website and you can use G-sync now if you have a 2000 series or a 1660 ti.my c9 arrived today and hollyyyy fucking shit hdr destroys what i was already happy with on the c7. fucking worth it for me based on that alone. MUCH brighter and thats on game mode. very happy with the upgrade so far. unfortunately we dont get gsync update here until mid dec and that was THE reason i upgraded but still, very happy
So, my friend bought 65" LG C7v OLED two years ago, and this was what he was complaining about back then:
- non-uniform brightness in dark areas - see here
- motion judder. Needed to enable motion interpolation to compensate for this. He was saying that LEDs do black frame insertion better so the strobe effect is not as pronounced
- night-time anti-burn-in cycles
TIMSTER_777
Member
Glad I found this thread, got my 55 C9 a couple of weeks ago.
I am never going back to a regular tv again, although I had to upgrade my sound because these tv speakers are the worst.
Currently running polk s50s, s30 center and dayton sub-1200.
I am never going back to a regular tv again, although I had to upgrade my sound because these tv speakers are the worst.
Currently running polk s50s, s30 center and dayton sub-1200.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I have never witnessed that level of non-uniform. OLEDs are excellent for perfect blacks, but still need work on near blacks. The C9 addresses a lot of this.
A 120 HZ panel does not experience motion JUDDER. STOP MISUSING THIS WORD. It's stutter. Judder refers to 60Hz panels being forced to use 3:2 pulldown to properly play 24Hz content. It's pretty much non-existent for many years on any TV worth a damn.
All OLEDs run a "cleaning cycle" when they're turned off after many hours of use. This is a good thing and one overlooked mistake that many stores make is that they shut off all power to their TVs and don't let OLEDs run their cleaning cycles which is why store TVs burn in much quicker.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
For LG motion judder, which I get on mine, the fix is simple. Enable frame smoothing, but set the values to 0.
Its... Stupid. But it works flawlessly.
Its... Stupid. But it works flawlessly.
Ulysses 31
Member
So does stutter/judder.
But that does against the "no motion interpolation ever" creed of some here!
BadBurger
Banned
My TV is a little old. It's 4K and HDR and all but a little small and I'd like better image quality. However, I don't think I want to shell out $2,000 on a 65" OLED (same size as current TV) with all the peak specs when I suspect they'll be almost $1,000 cheaper in a year. Tough decision. On one hand I have the money so no big deal. On the other hand how much of an improvement would I even see?
Venuspower
Member
White edges will only appear if you increase sharpness to > 10.
Sharpness 0 => No processing at all
Sharpness 1 - 10 => Edge smoothing (from what I have seen this only applies to non UHD-Content)
Sharpness >10 => Adds sharpness (=> white edges)
You can verify that on your own by using test patterns.
I recommend to leave sharpness at 10. Especially if you are watching non-native-20160p content.
But if you do not like processing at all feel free to turn it off.
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Skyr
Member
Walk into an electronics store and take a look at it?
Ulysses 31
Member
65" is considered small now?
If you got cash to burn get the LG Z9, only comes in 88"
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
For film or games?
BadBurger
Banned
The lighting is always poor in those places (massively bright) and they don't care to optimize the image quality. They're teenagers making minimum wage, why would they? This (yours) is probably the worst advice.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
You’re the only one arguing it for games though. Very few are arguing against some form of it for film content.So does stutter/judder.
But that does against the "no motion interpolation ever" creed of some here!
Skyr
Member
Decent stores exist. But whatever dude.
Ulysses 31
Member
Because some manufacturers have a special(?) setting for game mode that doesn't induce soap opera effect. Coz you know, there's levels of motion interpolation and I'd say they're not all bad for gaming.
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Dr.D00p
Member
I almost joined you guys in the OLED club over the weekend but I had to face facts, the ONLY reason I wanted one was for the next gen of consoles and finally decided that Black Friday 2020 makes much more sense to take the plunge. Two things will have happened by then, The C9, if still available, will be even cheaper or the C9's successor will be getting it's first sale discounts (assuming it launches in Spring 2020). Until then, my 4K LCD Philips set will suffice.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
BOTH.
The set has a slight judder when the frame rate is too high, at least, for me and some others. So the motion smoothing, it was added to, well, smooth it out. It looks like motion blur almost, and makes 30fps games look 60. Trouble is, it also looks awful and is very laggy feeling.
So what you do is enable it, but set both the values to “0”. For some strange reason, this fixes the slight judder you get, but doesn’t actually use any form of truMotion or whatever they call it.
Trust me, it works. J have no idea how or why, but it works.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Had a C7 a couple of years now, no perceived dimming at all, no burn in. Only thing I’ve got is horizontal banding, which I’ve had since I bought it and many people do. Can’t even be seen unless I’m on a dark grey picture, like the YouTube app background. In normal use, it’s not there at all.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
So does stutter/judder.
But that does against the "no motion interpolation ever" creed of some here!
Haha I know, but this is essentially like turning a light on, but there’s no bulb. It doesn’t actually add anything at all, but it fixes judder. Very strange, but a known fix.
Ulysses 31
Member
Can't say I noticed it on my old OLED when I was using it for 2 years but the thing is that it's so gradual that you'd probably would need a new TV of the same model and your old one side by side to really notice.
Neofire
Member
This is why I haven't fired on getting one yet unfortunately
Clarissa
Banned
The X9000F to Z9F jump is not big enough to justify an upgrade. Imho if you have the budget, the Samsung Q80R is the best soundbar you can get without needing rear speakers. If you have room for rear speakers then get the Q90R.
Ulysses 31
Member
From the TV experts themselves:
Don't watch the earlier parts if you don't want to see what burn in can look like after a couple of 1000 hours of use.
digital_ghost
Member
Imagine that you can't afford an OLED and can only finance an QLED.
Feelsbadman
That's me
Ulysses 31
Member
digital_ghost
Member
Damn dude that sucks. I was talking about my $699 Samsung 4K QLED that i got for black friday and financed for $21 a month.But my Samsung 8K QLED costs more than these C9 OLEDs...
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
From the TV experts themselves:
Don't watch the earlier parts if you don't want to see what burn in can look like after a couple of 1000 hours of use.
I bit the bullet and watched the whole thing. GOD I'M SO SCARED, but I'm glad I'm informed now. If I get an OLED TV it'll be for movies, video games, and big sporting events only and not for everyday TV usage. No watching the news or regular ESPN\SportsCenter type of stuff on it.
jts
...hate me...
So I take it you’re underwhelmed? I’m actually looking at that soundbar myself, mainly for the possibility of adding rear speakers. Then I’d be set and not care about whatever’s new for some years. I thought people really liked the ZF9.