Bravo_Jade
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I liked Origins, but I get less excited for 2 each time I hear/see something about it. :/
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Without getting into a discussion about games writing as a whole, when one of the sticking points you're using to pimp out an upcoming game is how good it looks then it had better look good in the screenshots you release. Otherwise you get a situation like this one here.Ogrekiller said:
Anasui Kishibe
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god, I love DAO threads on Gaf. It feels like going to battle alone with a sword made of trust against legions of downplaying hype-killers
it's Bioware we're talking about, for fucks sake, not Ubisoft
it's Bioware we're talking about, for fucks sake, not Ubisoft
Fimbulvetr
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Nirolak said:
Does it do the same with hair?
Anasui Kishibe said:
Yes, because Bioware can do no wrong with combat in their games.
Lostconfused
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So their games suck half the time instead of all of the time? That still doesn't bode well for DA2.Anasui Kishibe said:
Fimbulvetr
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clashfan said:
It would need good animation for that.
water_wendi
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Bioware has been fumbling the ball for nearly a decade now.Anasui Kishibe said:
No....just their two latest games, Mass Effect 2 and now DA2, seem to be missteps.water_wendi said:
Mass Effect and DAO were great.
Much kudos to Bioware for that and I really felt they had the cinematic sci-fi and tactical fantasy RPG markets all sewn up, with Betsheda ruling the open-world RPG roost.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
NWN came out in 2002.
Anasui Kishibe
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Lostconfused said:
so the hate should be 50/ 50, deal?
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I laughed and then felt bad.Ferrio said:
Jerk 2.0 said:
Kotor was amazing. Mass Effect is great. Dragon Age 1 was amazing. No, they have been strong.
Zen said:
The difference is with ME it was always only a light RPG with shooter elements. They changed it to a shooter with RPG elements. Not a massive shift. This is full on traditional RPG into ME2 style.
Darklord said:
Hmm.
Baldur's Gate 2: Great (objectively anyway. I do not really like it much)
Knights of The Old Republic: Good
Jade Empire: Shit
Mass Effect: Good for its time, but horribly mediocre/poor in retrospect
Dragon Age - Origins: Mediocre
Mass Effect 2: Disappointing, but good
It is possible that I expect too much from them though.
Jerk 2.0 said:
Yes you do. Kotor was the best game of last generation and is considered one of the best Star Wars games ever. Dragon Age was amazing too, one of my top 10 games easily. Mass Effect 1 still holds up. I played it again on PC just before ME2 came out and while the combat was average, the game and universe was great. ME2 improved on both the universe and combat. I think you just don't like their style of games.
As long as you don't go nuts planet exploring, the original Mass Effect had fantastic pacing. The shooting was crude, but not completely terrible, while all the stories and character were superior to Mass Effect 2. I felt the universe actually shrunk for ME2. Most of the races were sidelined to focus on humans almost exclusively.
DA2 doesn't look that much different from DA to me though.
DA2 doesn't look that much different from DA to me though.
SirPenguin
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It's such a shame modders can't do much more to improve Morrowind's GUI. I mean this total conversion seems cool and all, but they'd be better off working with Oblivion
GillianSeed79
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I just hope the story is good. I think people have legitimate gripes about DA2, but as long as the story is good I'll be happy. I trust BioWare in that department. Some of the vitriol is kind of crazy, though.
Darklord said:
Seeing that I continue to purchase and enjoy them, I would like to strongly disagree with this assertion.
A couple of notes:
Last generation was jam-packed with good quality games, to plainly assert KOTOR as the best is simply absurd. This is evev before factoring in the fact that its sequel was arguably a much better game (both SW and otherwise).
The only things that I remember Dragon Age doing extremely well were its party characterisation and the 'old-school' feeling (and the Fade.). Other than those, the game was a thoroughly mediocre experience with a couple dashes of awful (the plot, the itemization, the dungeon design and pacing). Combat was good but it barely stood out (unless you craved the Battle Systems of old).
As for ME1:
ME1's universe, plot and pacing are all very good, but the minute-to-minute play is sort of a mess.
List of things wrong with the game:
-Dialog wheel: Unnecessarily dumbed down the dialogue and interactions. The introduction of magic colored text has been one of the Biowares gravest crimes in its continued quest to bro-ize the RPG.
-Shallow RPG systems: As shallow as ME2 may be in this department, it at least is mostly an action game. ME1 is an RPG, but the elements that comprise it are poorly thought out and offer very little depth. Not to mention that the balance was atrocious; Vanguards (adrenaline + Biotics) and Infiltrators (Invincibility) absolutely broke the game (even on the poorly designed Insanity).
-Shitty inventory - It was really shitty.
-Poorly designed and repetitive quests: God were the quests awful. The were all samey and oft-times had very little or no actual dialogue. Not to mentioned that they all almost took place in the same set of buildings with little to no difference between them. Even some of the important sidequests got this treatment (like the party member quests).
-Poorly written and dull party members: I think this one is self evident so I will not bother with it much. The only party members worth a damn were Ashley + Wrex and they really only shone because of how unpolished and dull the others were.
-Mako: Controlled like crap and made too many appearances in the game (which only served to pad the length). Not to mention that the planets that it allowed the player to explore were are mostly uninteresting and desolate wastelands. It is a damn shame too as I loved the idea.
-Saren: Boring one-dimensional villain is boring and one-dimensional. Thank goodness for Sovereign. He may have been one-dimensional, but at least he was actually interesting.
ME2 was a pretty damn good game. Most of the issues that can be found with it are mitigated by its slight shift in genres. Still:
-Non-existent plot (what was there was really poorly paced and written)
-Multiple retconnings
-Content-deficient characters
-Lack of subtlety with themes
-Weaker Soundtrack
-Scanning (more filler, yay!)
-Weak level design
Why is there so much unused space here?
Fill it with something guys :/ I like that there's a close-ups there (and I hope that PC community will be able to fix those shitty low-res textures), but I hate that they're using an entire screen for something, that could be shown in a much smaller window... just like in Dragon Age: Origins.
Fill it with something guys :/ I like that there's a close-ups there (and I hope that PC community will be able to fix those shitty low-res textures), but I hate that they're using an entire screen for something, that could be shown in a much smaller window... just like in Dragon Age: Origins.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Probably something to do with resolution. Maybe on consoles its fullscreen?Mr_Zombie said:Why is there so much unused space here?
Fill it with something guys :/ I like that there's a close-ups there (and I hope that PC community will be able to fix those shitty low-res textures), but I hate that they're using an entire screen for something, that could be shown in a much smaller window... just like in Dragon Age: Origins.
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BiowareChart.jpgGillianSeed79 said:
FunkyMunkey
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Jerk 2.0 said:
Jerk 2.0 said:
You do know what "shit", "mediocre", and "disappointing" mean, right? Not sure why you continue to purchase them really. Either that or your definition of 'purchase and enjoy' swings way lower than most people. And calling ME2 a "pretty damn good game" right after saying it was disappointing, is pretty odd.
FunkyMunkey
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Jerk 2.0 said:
I just think you're greatly over exaggerating your displeasure with Bioware games, especially if you continue to "enjoy" them. Reading your labels of past Bioware games is very inconsistent with what you're saying. Most people who have a range from 'shit' to 'mediocre' with a company aren't gonna be too excited for their next game.
Topic: Personally, I LOVED Dragon Age but I'm nervous about the changes they've made. Waiting on reviews.
Fimbulvetr
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FunkyMunkey said:
Wow.
I didn't realize that there are still people who don't know that being disappointing has nothing to do with objective quality.
Just like how something being "worse" than something else doesn't make it bad.
FunkyMunkey
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Fimbulvetr said:
Actually it's not that simple. If you got into a car to test drive it and said it was disappointing, but then exclaimed it was pretty fucking great and wanted to buy it, people would look at you strangely. And don't pretend that bunching negative developer experiences together with "enjoy thoroughly and buy on day 1" for their next game, is the norm. Maybe on GAF, but everywhere else, no. (i say negative because that post of games had one "great" followed by "mediocres" and "shits", not that I disagree!)
zlatko said:
Yeah, I understand that they wanted to try different graphic styles out, but sacrificing the crisp detail from the first game worries me.
I'm never a super detailed oriented nit picker on graphics with games, but wow that image of Hawk's face close up is HORRIBLE. The armor looks pasted on, the lighting is ass, and the details in his hair/beard are crap. What I've heard of his voice actor is shit so far too, so I might actually roll a female character in a RPG for the first time.
I'm still excited to play this game since #1 was so great, but to be fair they really should set the release date back a few more months and let them polish this thing up. Or hell give them another year, and make ME3 Bio's big game of 2011.
I'm still excited to play this game since #1 was so great, but to be fair they really should set the release date back a few more months and let them polish this thing up. Or hell give them another year, and make ME3 Bio's big game of 2011.
WanderingWind
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Damn. Since when did Bioware have such a seething hatred for RPGs and such a low opinion of their fan base? " All those numbers and status afflictions were confusing to our idiot fans, so we removed them."
ShockingAlberto said:
This is basically how I feel. The game looks more jRPGish now, and while I like jRPGs a lot, I played DA:O because it was an wRPG I could actually enjoy; I used it as a kind of jumping-off point for wRPGs outside of Modblivion.
Now I am sort of "meh" about this. And it does look like iPhone material.
Fimbulvetr
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FunkyMunkey said:
Uh yeah. That's because most people don't think of the word as anything but purely negative(I.E. they're doing it wrong) as opposed to just relatively negative.
If people wanna look at me strange for actually knowing the definition of a word, then so be it.
FunkyMunkey said:
Enjoying bad things is pretty common. Admitting it may be weird but that doesn't mean it doesn't occur at all.
One could come up with reasons for a game being objectively bad/good, but still like/dislike it.
Also way to exaggerate his "purchase and enjoy comment".
Lostconfused
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Lets try something more eye catching.water_wendi said:
This happened people. This was a real thing.