sammyCYBORG
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AMD need to fight back otherwise the trend of being fucked by hardware pricing will continue.
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[NewEgg] Best Selling CPUs & Video Cards of 2015
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Alcoholikaust
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6700k and 980ti SC owner here
plays minesweeper like a dream
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Quixz
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You're sick
Woo-Fu
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How do you fight back when you don't have the money to compete with Nvidia at the R&D level? Short of some sort of "Eureka!" moment they start behind and get further behind due to Nvidia simply throwing more money at it. They basically need a fuck-up on Nvidia's part of unbelievable proportion.
sammyCYBORG
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If I knew that I'd be the new boss of AMD, I guess...
Each new generation of hardware is a smaller leap in technology and more expensive is all I know, and that's bad for the consumer and will ultimately hurt PC gaming which is currently on an upswing.
JoeyJungle
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Same setup as me! The Solitaire ending animation plays with no frame drops.
Well, it's not like it never happened before.
Nvidia could be on the verge of releasing the next FX series, or Intel could be working on a new Pentium 4.
But I doubt it. I just hope Zen is decent.
Rushersauce
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The price/perfomance king is not on the list. The r9 390 got robbed of sales 
Canis lupus
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The last good AMD card I had was HD6870 (which died on me), it's been a while.
Thinking of upgrading to 970 from 670 if funds allow in the next few months. i5 2500k still good or also time for upgrade?
Thinking of upgrading to 970 from 670 if funds allow in the next few months. i5 2500k still good or also time for upgrade?
PandaPedinte
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I wonder what AMD can do to gain back relevence on PC gamin market, seems like every year they are losting more and more to Intel and Nvidia. :/
Woody Invincible
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I bought an Nvidia tower case to remind myself never to purchase an AMD card.
They need more AAA partnerships. So many games of 2015 have been sponsored by Nvidia it is no surprise to see the tide turning in their favor, AMD have to maintain their presence by demonstrating that top devs are willing to embrance their technologies and their vision for what the industry should be.
Because when it comes to raw hardware Nvidia and AMD are mostly matched, with different architectures offering different features. I would not say AMD's fading is due to their hardware as their R9 300 GPUs fare well against Nvidia's 970-980 except when you are heavily CPU limited, they will need to do something to improve their DX11 drivers. DX12 alone will not save them.
Nice one.
They need to produce a clearly superior product (as an overall package).
Which is hard when you have a much lower R&D budget than your primary competitors.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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at this point it feels as if one of the only things that could "save" them is a rebrand
Conkerkid11
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I'm not unique I guess. Have the most popular CPU and GPU.
I'm surprised at the CPU. I only got it because there was a ridiculous deal on it at Staples awhile back.
Edit: Scratch that, 4770k, I am unique.
I'm surprised at the CPU. I only got it because there was a ridiculous deal on it at Staples awhile back.
Edit: Scratch that, 4770k, I am unique.
PandaPedinte
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Do you think the only way to AMD rise the R&D should be they being bought by some other company with the budget to invest on it?
Well, I'm not really excited at that prospect either. I can't think of a company that would buy them which wouldn't come with some baggage I don't want.
Most of the candidates would make them focus (even more) on mobile, which I don't care much for.
i can't picture any real or hypothetical company that would buy amd and try to make them competitive again. they'd be jumping into two hugely difficult markets against some of the most dominant hardware companies on the planet and it'd probably take years for an r&d investment to pay off.
anyone who buys amd will be breaking them up and/or salvaging them for parts once they drop even lower in price.
As amusing as I would find a zombie ATI it's probably a bit too late for that.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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in the ultimate twist of irony, amd is purchased by adreno and radeon is rebranded as such
PandaPedinte
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Rushersauce
Banned
By Qualcomm you mean?
RealityCheque
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I'd say the 970 is likely to be an historically successful card for nvidia. Seems like everyone, myself included, has one.
Damn fine card in the bang-for-your-buck stakes.
Damn fine card in the bang-for-your-buck stakes.
i don't think they ever made a ton of money, even from their really popular products. intel and nvidia both had way better OEM sales (and intel even used their OEM contracts to keep amd out of the market) and enthusiast/retail sales aren't as reliable over time. they also kept a pretty low margin in order to be competitive.
once nvidia and intel fixed their fx/p4 screwups there was really no saving them.
Yeah.
Go enthusiasts!
(I have a "sane enthusiast" build with a 5820k on an ASRock Socket 2011 board)
Celcius
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I would also like to point out that being an enthusiast is not how much a person spends on their PC, but instead involves how much the person enjoys building and using their pc, keeping up with the latest pc news, enjoying learning more, etc. Plenty of enthusiasts don't own socket 2011 hardware
Could AMD stop being shit so NVIDIA and Intel have some actual competition. Can't just have Price for Performance, when your cards suck a shit load of power, run hot and driver support being total rubbish. Couldn't hurt to have something remotely similar to Shadow Play(no not raptor is crap).
http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=04g-p4-2974-kr
Basically, the cooler type changes, the base OC and some of these have dual BIOS.
I was just using the term in the way it is commonly defined when it comes to hardware.I would also like to point out that being an enthusiast is not how much a person spends on their PC, but instead involves how much the person enjoys building and using their pc, keeping up with the latest pc news, enjoying learning more, etc. Plenty of enthusiasts don't own socket 2011 hardware
I was an enthusiast long before I could afford to build a PC on the Intel enthusiast platform
Enter the Dragon Punch
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The Taiwanese brands are strong as heck here in Holland. Popularity rankings (most viewed cards) on a major tech site rank MSI and ASUS way out in front of any other brand with EVGA nowhere in sight even though their products aren't that expensive. Odd how brand loyalty differs per country.
Alcoholikaust
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I know right, and non of those buyers bother writing reviews. You would think that they never sell.
My R9 390 doesn't run any hotter than the 970 under load, and I don't notice any excessive heat during idle usage either.
Also, bad driver support is a load of crock and hasn't been true for a while. I've owned AMD cards for 6 years now and never had any driver issues.
Ironically enough, the only time I had any driver issues with either AMD/ATI or Nvidia is when Nvidia drivers fried my 7900GT, I loved that card too
Thankfully eVGA's awesome support replaced it and gave me a slight upgrade as well.
My R9 390 doesn't run any hotter than the 970 under load, and I don't notice any excessive heat during idle usage either.
Also, bad driver support is a load of crock and hasn't been true for a while. I've owned AMD cards for 6 years now and never had any driver issues.
Ironically enough, the only time I had any driver issues with either AMD/ATI or Nvidia is when Nvidia drivers fried my 7900GT, I loved that card too
Thankfully eVGA's awesome support replaced it and gave me a slight upgrade as well.
Yea, i don't think AMD right now is any worst in terms of pricing, and performance or any other metrics being used.
At this point it really is all about perception. Speaking as a 780GTX owner.
My R9 390 doesn't run any hotter than the 970 under load, and I don't notice any excessive heat during idle usage either.
Also, bad driver support is a load of crock and hasn't been true for a while. I've owned AMD cards for 6 years now and never had any driver issues.
Ironically enough, the only time I had any driver issues with either AMD/ATI or Nvidia is when Nvidia drivers fried my 7900GT, I loved that card too
Thankfully eVGA's awesome support replaced it and gave me a slight upgrade as well.
Thinking about getting 2 R9 390's for crossfire. With its 8GB of vram
My R9 390 doesn't run any hotter than the 970 under load, and I don't notice any excessive heat during idle usage either.
Also, bad driver support is a load of crock and hasn't been true for a while. I've owned AMD cards for 6 years now and never had any driver issues.
Ironically enough, the only time I had any driver issues with either AMD/ATI or Nvidia is when Nvidia drivers fried my 7900GT, I loved that card too
Thankfully eVGA's awesome support replaced it and gave me a slight upgrade as well.
when people complain about driver issues it's not always bugs or instability, drivers have a huge impact on performance. amd cards are highly competitive with nvidia on games that are well-optimized for them and usually pretty bad on games that aren't, this means there's a lot of potential performance that amd is leaving on the table thanks to their bad drivers and lack of dev outreach. they've also had issues like the frame pacing bug that was discovered last year, i don't think that one's totally fixed either.
amd's opengl performance is constantly abysmal too, and that's almost entirely drivers. their linux support is still terrible too.
That's just not true. It all depends on your requirements (or metrics if you will).
VSR is a significantly worse and more limited version of DSR. Shadowplay is a lot more compatible and feature-rich than Raptr recording. If you are looking at high-framerate gaming, NV's DX11 drivers are still significantly better in terms of CPU utilization than AMDs (never mind OpenGL).
These are all facets which might be more or less important to each individual, but they are also all factual.