Reverence to DN3D is the least of Duke Nukem Forever's problems.
Duke has always been a joke. Slapping the name Duke Nukem on another character is simply lazy, and I think that's true of most reboots.
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Reverence to DN3D is the least of Duke Nukem Forever's problems.
Duke has always been a joke. Slapping the name Duke Nukem on another character is simply lazy, and I think that's true of most reboots.
Davey Cakes
Member
Just make "New Duke Nukem" akin to the first two PC games.
That's all I'd want out of this series. Anything else, don't care. And somehow get Bobby Prince to do the soundtrack.
That's all I'd want out of this series. Anything else, don't care. And somehow get Bobby Prince to do the soundtrack.
If you're willing to try and rank DNF's problems, you're a braver man than I. There really isn't much that game didn't totally screw up.
Jazzkokehead
Member
Interceptor Entertainment? The guys who did the new Rise of the Triad, right? Huh. It's a damn shame a good developer isn't tackling the next Duke Nukem game.
Sorry, but if you think babes, strippers, pigcops and a campy Duke are the keys to a good Duke game, it's you who doesn't "get it".
I think I get it more than the guys making some out of left field thing no one was asking for (Top down action RPG), thanks.
I'm not sure I really want to comment much on that until we get an indisputable official announcement. The whole thing is so weird that it's either totally true or completely made-up, and I'm not sure which of those two I'm leaning towards just yet.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I understand why he made the particular statement. DNF was a joke, not only did the gameplay suck but the jokes were quite boring and lame.
However, the series doesn't need a reskin. Stay in the same universe with improvements within.
However, the series doesn't need a reskin. Stay in the same universe with improvements within.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Precisely. My favorite Duke Nukem is the third person Duke released on PlayStation. That was a lot of fun to play!
Dick Justice
Banned
Serious? Gritty? GTFO with that shit.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
So awesome! Thanks for that nostalgia attack!
EDIT: I owned Stabbing Westward's Darkest Days Album. I think they weren't as successful after that albums release. Oh well, memories!
(EDIT: Pretty bad memory lol. TR never signed them. Stupid internet-less days! They were confused for nine inch nails a lot of times though, and I guess were good friends with Trent during the Marilyn Manson days).
MrCunningham
Member
I always liked Zero Hour on the N64, myself.
Duke started out as 2D platformers, so it's not like the character is limited to just one genre, anyway. Manhattan Project was a pretty good side scroller staring Duke.
In order to answer these I'd have to confirm that the game exists.
I cannot confirm such things, so here's another GIF for ya
This is sarcasm right?
Not even a little. If you took out the babes/strippers and replaced the pigcops with any other monster, Duke Nukem 3D would still be the same fantastic game it always was.
Likewise, making Duke more serious (note the word "more", and how it means something different to the word "entirely") wouldn't damage the game in the slightest for my money. I'm not at all suggesting he should stop being the smirking wise-cracking 80's hero he is, but the super-sleazy variant we saw in Duke Nukem Forever was absolutely not a good model for the character.
Oh well, guess it's a good thing you're not designing any new Duke games.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
From what I understand, these guys are sitting on a remake of Duke 3D mixed
with some of the stuff that never made it into DNF. Word has it the game is phenomenal
but Gearbox put the brakes on it not wanting to cannabalize DNF sales. There are a few
screenshots floating around.
with some of the stuff that never made it into DNF. Word has it the game is phenomenal
but Gearbox put the brakes on it not wanting to cannabalize DNF sales. There are a few
screenshots floating around.
Duke Nukem
Strippers: 0
Babes: 0
Pigcops: 0
Great game? Yes.
Duke Nukem II
Strippers: 0
Babes: 0
Pigcops: 0
Great game? Yes.
Duke Nukem Forever
Strippers: Loads.
Babes: Tons.
Pigcops: Hundreds.
Great game? Not even close.
You see what I'm getting at, right? You might've enjoyed the Pigcops and the strippers, and while neither is fundamentally bad, they also aren't what made Duke Nukem 3D a great game. In the case of DNF, you could make a very valid argument that they actually made the game worse.
GardenSirens
Banned
I can't get the image of Michael Scott (The Office) screaming No a few times, out of my head when I think about a Duke Nukem sequel.
GoofsterStud
Member
Gritty? What's next?
Romance centeral to the plot
Monogomy the theme
Guys are the ones stripping?
Romance centeral to the plot
Monogomy the theme
Guys are the ones stripping?
MrCunningham
Member
There was nothing wrong with this stuff in Duke 3D, as it added a bit of juvenile fun. But underneath it was was a really solid game with some great level design and versatile weapons. Yeah, the space episode was probably the weakest, but I liked L.A. Meltdown, Shrapnel City and the atomic edition episode The Birth, a lot.
I had so much fun playing 4 player death match over the phone lines (pre-internet), back in the day, the unique weapons just made it such a blast. Flying around with the jet pack and dropping pipe bombs on people heads, ricocheting ice blasts around corners, shrinking yourself to hide, carefully placing trip mines, and using the holoduke rapidly to "ghost" yourself in close fire fights. Co-op was great too.
Exactly. Some people dug the sleaze, and I get that, but it simply isn't the be-all and end-all that some people think it is.
This is the important stuff. Nobody gives a crap about the strippers when there's enemies in the room and they've got fun weapons to shoot them with.
As I said, it's a good thing you're not the one designing Duke games. Everything coming together made Duke 3D a great game, something original in a sea of Doom clones. My opinion isn't fact, and neither is yours.
I'm not denying that Duke 3D was a perfect storm. I'm refuting the suggestion that a developer wanting to make a Duke Nukem game with a serious plot and without strippers and pigcops means they don't understand Duke. By that logic, the people who created Duke don't understand Duke.
If you really believe that a Duke Nukem game can't be good if it isn't an action-movie pastiche packing strippers and old enemies by the truckload, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Yeah but these things are what make Duke Nukem...Duke fucking Nukem.
Rip it out and you've got blander shit this side of New Tomb Raider.
I'm not saying the humor has to be obscenely dated like Forever but it can be done right.
TreasureHunterG
Banned
Yes, more Duke Nukem, the better! This time I hope they got it right!
Duke Nukem needs to be infamous and outrageous, like 3D was. Forever wasn't at all, not to mention the level design was lame and boring, something 3D was the best at it.
Duke Nukem needs to be infamous and outrageous, like 3D was. Forever wasn't at all, not to mention the level design was lame and boring, something 3D was the best at it.
I think people get the wrong idea by calling it a Top-Down Action RPG. I mean really, from that it's a dual-stick shooter, which would fit Duke perfectly.
Remember, Lara Croft: Guardian Of Light was pretty damn good.
Remember, Lara Croft: Guardian Of Light was pretty damn good.
Yes it is infamous.... for being bad
I didn't hate Duke Nukem Forever.
It was by no means great, and a lot of the "humor" was either juvenile or offensive, but I still had an ok time with the game, and I liked a lot of the somewhat hidden interactive things.
I think that without all the pitfalls and roadblocks DNF faced that a good game can still be made with the franchise.
It was by no means great, and a lot of the "humor" was either juvenile or offensive, but I still had an ok time with the game, and I liked a lot of the somewhat hidden interactive things.
I think that without all the pitfalls and roadblocks DNF faced that a good game can still be made with the franchise.
Maybe I'm all alone in this, but Duke Nukem for me isn't about ticking off a checklist of features from 1996.
Duke Nukem for me is about fast-paced action, creative and exciting weapons, detailed interactive environments and a smirking, wise-cracking hero with a blonde flat-top. Anyone who can get those things right can make a great Duke game, IMO.
SteveWinwood
Member
There is no way it could be worse than forever so why not?
No I agree with you as I've loved Duke games since the beginning and whilst he's always loved the babes he never really came across as very sleazy. DNF took Duke in a far sleazier direction than we were used to seeing compared to the other games. I felt the DLC handled this better, where they had humour centred around Duke and his interaction with his clones.
You can make a serious game and still have a wise cracking Duke you just don't need titty slapping
Rodney McKay
Member
I won't mind seeing where a new game could take this series. I was actually a fan of the old DOS sidescrollers, so this series can definitely work as more than a FPS with jokes that felt like they were rejected from the Saints Row series.
Damn, haven't seen an overreaction this bad in a while! I'd say this is more evidence you care a little too much about this series to accept any views other than your own and not even be able to handle a simple joke made at the expense at the terrible humor of DNF.
angular graphics
Banned
They can't use numbers due to the encoding/code they used, you wouldn't be able to decipher them.
"Unreal Engine 3", "PlayStation 4" etc. So they omit them.
The only instance of a number in some form in that text is "TD Realms" -> ThreeD Realms -> 3D Realms.
Hooray, someone who doesn't realize the last 80 DN games were based off Duke 3D version of the chracter. And that version is the most popular version. And that the 2d games culd have been generic anything. And were released like 20 years ago and have little relevance. HOORAY
wow what an idiot, i played duke 1 and 2 and your so fucking wrong. this is what the duke games originally looked like.
then the developers decided to change the genre, add it strippers, ect then we got duke nukem 3d.
the franchise might as well be dead, now this other developer wants to change genre, add it elements not seen in the series before and its only now your butt hurt?
i don't know if its going to be as great as duke nukem 3d but its at least better than duke nukem forever
That stuff was outrageous at the time but ultimately was not what made Duke 3D so good.
For one thing, FPS games in the 90s were really limited by technology and Ken Silverman's Build engine was about as high-end as sector based engines ever became. Things we take for granted these days were revolutionary in Duke 3D. Sloped surfaces, rooms above rooms, and impressive sprite handling capabilities all came together to produce level design and visuals unlike anything else at the time.
All those weird little interactive bits and the more controversial stuff was definitely a big news item and received plenty of attention but I'm convinced that none of it would have mattered if the level design and game engine had been shit.
I'm well aware of all of that. Feel free to read any of my last half-dozen posts if you're interested in my response.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
In order to answer these I'd have to confirm that the game exists.
I cannot confirm such things, so here's another GIF for ya
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
Prove us, Duke! Why were you great?