Wendel Clark
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some players are very selfish
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NHL 2011-2012 Offseason thread of Cash Rules Everything Around Me
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some players are very selfish
yankeehater
Member
Oh it would be a huge windfall for the teams making a profit that is why I said that they have to have increased revenue sharing to go along with it. You keep saying that the PA cant negotiate with the individual teams but that is true of any CBA. No sports league could survive if they did that. Hell even baseball, which has the most player friendly system, still has rules for the luxury tax and revenue sharing. I dont get the point of bringing up that they players cant negotiate with the teams separately.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
Because think from their perspective, "You're telling me your profits hugely increased, but I need to take a smaller cut? Sounds like you're just shitty at managing your league." Then they can just point to exhibit A Phoenix. Why the fuck should the players agree to pay for Bettman's vanity project?
yankeehater
Member
I agree that it would suck to have to give money back. I would even agree with th players if the Yotes were the only team losing money but there are a lot of teams losing money. The players are not being asked to take less just so stupid ass Bettman can keep that team there. They have to look at the long term sustainability of the league. If like close to half the teams are losing money now that is not sustainable. You might be right that everyone of those owners is stupid and cant run their teams well, but they are not going to replace that many owners or move that many teams. They have to find a way to make things work with the owners they have. I just want their to be hockey this year but I understand the owners have to think about the long term health.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
Most teams aren't losing money like the Yotes. They could reasonably be fine with cuts like the PA has proposed and rev sharing like they proposed. Also a lot of that loss is cyclical. These teams aren't entitled to huge profits every year. They need to be forced to compete rather than just demand lower labor costs.
And again, the PA RECOGNIZES all this. They're the ones offering cuts AND adding rev sharing, but to use my analogy from before the owners are the equivalent of republicans right now just saying no and not offering anything other than straight cuts.
Im leaning more towards the owners than the players and i doubt we will see a season. In the end the owners will win, the players will lose. Good read regardless:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=404989
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=404989
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
So when will the marathon negotiations start?
yankeehater
Member
June 2013.
Seguin is a better player. I would take him on my team over Kessel 10 times out of 10.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
If you look at his post history I think you can guess...
Posted in a thread where one of the Mod's went a little ban crazy. I thought it was a little overboard to be honest, but oh well.
The gap between both players isn't so big. Seguin has the advantage of still having a lot of upside and playing at a more valuable position (centre). But Kessel is currently a better player than Seguin. That's indisputable.
I'm not going to lie, Seguin is more enjoyable to watch. I would take him maybe six/seven out of ten times. His upside is certainly greater, but they're both solid players.
Give it a couple of seasons, then I'll listen to that argument. They're both good players, though.
Stats-wise, Kessel is way better. Kessel's defensive game needs work, to say the least, but he's been consistent last season with scoring, even when Lupul went down with his injury, but he was still able to eclipse his overall totals last season.
Seguin's only been in the league for two seasons, so his first season clearly won't be indicative of his future in the league, his second year was way better, but still not as good as Kessel's 2011-12 season. The only thing Seguin's done better in is playoff statistics, for obvious reasons. (am cry)
Kessel checks other players!
Like the one time, but Kessel ended up the one falling down on the ice. 
brucewaynegretzky
Member
I'm gonna give one giant "meh" to seguin's physical play. Differentiating between the two is rather pointless in that regard.
Kessel checks other players!
Like the one time, but Kessel ended up the one falling down on the ice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTAqXZp1bJg
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I don't think you've watched enough of either then. I'm not even remotely suggesting either one is a dominant physical player. However, there is a clear difference between the two in how they handle and react to aggression on the ice.
Seguin's extension doesn't begin until after his current contract expires, next year. In the only season both players will be playing under those contracts the difference will be 350k.
Comparing Phil's expiring contract that was signed 4 year's ago to one that extends for another 6 seasons is the only lawl-worthy part of this apples to oranges scenario.
edit: No word on any signing bonus for Seguin, but Kessel had a 9 mil signing bonus on his contract which makes his 4 year old deal more valuable per season than what what Seguin just signed for.
About time.
Seguin is 20 years old and has averaged about 14 minutes of ice time in his career.
Kessel is 24 years old and has averaged about 18 minutes of ice time in his career.
Comparing their stats right now is kinda stupid.
And comparing their salaries is flat-out retarded. (Kessel signed 3 years ago)
Kessel is 24 years old and has averaged about 18 minutes of ice time in his career.
Comparing their stats right now is kinda stupid.
And comparing their salaries is flat-out retarded. (Kessel signed 3 years ago)
brucewaynegretzky
Member
Soc, I'm surprised we haven't gotten your evaluation of the labor dispute. Shopping it around to various academic journals first?
For the most part, this.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
I'll agree in that regard I guess, but I don't think Seguin's response is really "betterm" I don't think Kessel disappears at the sign of physical play or anything and since neither really derives much of an advantage from it I wouldn't say Seguin is necessarily favorable for how he reacts to physicality. They're different, sure, but I'm less sure that makes Seguin better.
Where have I failed you?
If a physical player is going to hit you, he is going to hit you regardless. Becomes an issue on how you react and adjust to the pressure. It was just very frustrating to watch Kessel. Large part of the reason he was dealt from Boston.
Haven't. The only trend the statistics show is Seguin is advancing at a faster pace. If we're talking about today, then it's a closer case. I'm pleased with the results anyway.
Great. Another Blackhawk for me not to like.
"Pace" is meaningless, I think. Players develop in very different ways. I'm pretty sure Kessel is still going through puberty.
Depends on the team. In the Bruins case, going into 2010 we still had a great core. So getting the draft picks were well worth it. Made the Savard injury more of an impact though.
sazabirules
Unconfirmed Member
What is wrong with the signing?
He's not nearly handsome enough to be a Blackhawk.
Wendel Clark
Member
I like Seguin better too
Did you trade Byfuglien because you realized he was gaining weight and wouldn't fit in the team picture anymore?
I'm going to watch this.
Hockey: A People's History. Perhaps I'll have to watch it as initially intended, one episode a week for 10 weeks so when it's over perhaps there will be hockey.
Yeah it's like when your wife gets fat and you divorce her for the 18 year old.
/insert manics joke.
... Idiot LOL.
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