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Niitsuma over cut and suggested characters in (Ultimate) Marvel vs Capcom 3
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Baron Von Beans
Member
This is what I'm afraid of. Avengers vs Capcom
Id love to see the C & D squad from all marvel representing.
Jawmuncher
Member
It's up to capcom to redeem the roster from here on out.
Come oooooon Protoman and Miles Edgeworth!
Karsticles
Member
Some things are just tradition! The problem wasn't that there was too much crossover between Ryu and Akuma, but that Ryu just had nothing to offer.
That he didn't, even after attempting to fix that in UMvC3 (as I said). There was no real point in picking him over Akuma. Yet at the same time, there was no way Capcom were going to make one of these games and just not include Ryu in it.
Ultimadrago
Member
I was one of those voices that begged for Phoenix Wright inclusion.
Sometimes dreams do come true...and I ended up not liking the game much anyways. I still was around to stream monster those first few EVO years though!
Sometimes dreams do come true...and I ended up not liking the game much anyways. I still was around to stream monster those first few EVO years though!
NinjaCoachZ
Member
I can take or leave Akuma but I gladly would've taken Gill over C. Viper.
Or Juri.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
It's insane that any Mega Man wasn't even considered.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
The only two out of that list I would want would be Psylocke and Gobby.
Mechanized
Member
The roster we could have had would've been great. It shouldn't be all about popular characters. Niche characters should have a very strong consideration because they're NEW to a lot of people. Fresh. Interesting. It might make people seek out the games/comics they were in. Spark some renewed interest.
In all likeliness, they probably would've gone with Juri instead if they had started development much later (vanilla MvC3 was in development around the same time as the console versions of vanilla SFIV, IIRC). I'd be very surprised if she doesn't show up in MvC:I.
E_Darkness
Member
Still hurts seeing Gene not making the cut, I hope Capcom remembers God Hand enough to put him in MvC:I. But I'm actually gutted to hear Doc Ock was more than just a concept, that sucks to hear he got cut out.
TheDinoman
Member
It seems to me that they internally considered Zero to be the game's Mega Man.
https://www.themmnetwork.com/blog/2011/01/24/niitsuma-discusses-zero-over-mega-man-in-mvc3
The fact that they thought that Zero (The X incarnation, not his MMZ self) was a Mega Man was extremely bizarre to me considering Niitsuma also produced TVC, a game that had Zero and Volnutt, who is, you know, an actual Mega Man.
TVC was a game with about 26 characters and Mega Man had three different characters, and as far as I recall, no one had a heart attack there. But apparently for UMVC3, a game with 50 characters, three MM characters was too much. Okay.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
Yeah, absolutely. I got the vibe they went with C. Viper because they were trying to treat her as the "main" newcomer of SFIV, but she ended up being received pretty lukewarmly while Juri (who came later) broke out massively. Just goes to show the inherent risks of using co-developed characters like that, before you get a chance to really gauge how people'll respond to them.
This is exactly why I found MVC3's roster to be so sterile compared to MVC1 and 2. It sounds like basically all the interesting characters are the ones who didn't get in. None of the colourful cult favourites like Hayato, Jin, B.B. Hood, Ruby Heart or CapCom that made those games feel so special and unique.
Except Ammy, I'm thankful they added her.
It seems to me that they internally considered Zero to be the game's Mega Man.
https://www.themmnetwork.com/blog/2011/01/24/niitsuma-discusses-zero-over-mega-man-in-mvc3
The fact that they thought that Zero (The X incarnation, not his MMZ self) was a Mega Man was extremely bizarre to me considering Niitsuma also produced TVC, a game that had Zero and Volnutt, who is, you know, an actual Mega Man.
TVC was a game with about 26 characters and Mega Man had three different characters, and as far as I recall, no one had a heart attack there. But apparently for UMVC3, a game with 50 characters, three MM characters was too much. Okay.
I always found Niitsuma's answer in this interview to be completely asinine. He talks about how hard it is to make a moveset for Mega Man. When not only, as you say, was he in TVC, but he was also in MVC 1 and 2. The whole situation regarding Mega Man's absence is just dumb, dumb, dumb.
TheDinoman
Member
The problem is there, I think, is that Mega Man kinda had a really boring moveset in MVC1 and 2, and Niitsuma and the UMVC3 team were really hellbent on everyone being super unique and different from each other. Now, they could of given him an all new moveset like what they did with Roll in TVC, but they just...didn't.
Another thing I keep hearing is that they didn't want both Arthur and Mega Man in the same game, I guess because they're both short retro jump and shoot kinda characters. This makes me wonder if Arthur will make it back to Infinite, considering X is in and even has his own special armor system which is somewhat similar to Arthur's thing in UMVC3.
FadedRevolution
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The day one thing passed over six years ago this is for Marvel 3 not Infinite.
Red Arremer
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In the game that came out 6 years ago, yeah. It's long past day 1 for that one.
Black Republican
Member
their Blade excuse is lame!
NinjaCoachZ
Member
It then just kinda takes me back to how then a couple years later, Mega Man shows up in Smash Bros. and he has a moveset that's both unique and completely authentic to the original games. It legitimately is just like Niitsuma and co. couldn't be bothered. Honestly I feel like Mega Man's absence wouldn't bug me as much if Zero was the only representative. But then having Zero and Tron Bonne with no Mega Man, the hole it leaves is just too conspicuous.
I guess we'll see for Arthur in Infinite. If I had to choose I'd go with Mega Man but that's just me personally.
Weltall Zero
Member
Well, Power Stone predates Sonic Adventure 2 by two years, so technically the Marvel southern belle was being mixed up with the dancing fortune teller before she was confused with the bat-like jewel thief.
AlexFlame116
Member
That was depressing to read...
Valkerionseven
Member
Reasons like "no one outside Japan would recognize them" baffle me, when its clear they never even considered asking. -shrug- some things will never change.
They should be though. It's a mistake to ignore them.
Tell that to Marvel.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
"Mega Man" wasn't in TvC, and his moveset in the earlier MvC games was pretty boring and uninspired.
I dunno why they couldn't just overhaul him though. Roll was actually fun to play in TvC.
TRUE ORDER
Member
All because of the Marvel/FOX issues. At least, they are working things out and seem to have a "good" relationship as of later.
ResurrXtion has lead up to like 8 X-Men comics (looking forward to Astonishing), Legion was well received by critics and Gifted is coming.
Hopefully they keep doing things together.
Seven Force
Banned
The BoF cuts hurt my soul.
Cool that BoFIII Nina is his favorite design, though. That's my favorite as well.
Cool that BoFIII Nina is his favorite design, though. That's my favorite as well.
Hoya Destroyer
Member
The lack of (sexy) girls on the roster stopped me from buying UMvC3. I remember being pretty suprized when I saw Ultimate only had male characters in the update. I had no idea who Arieta was before seeing this news, but if either her or Psylocke made the cut, I'd have bought the game.
Vanilla MvC3's online was the greatest disappointment for me last generation too, which didnt encourage me to splash out again for the update either.
Vanilla MvC3's online was the greatest disappointment for me last generation too, which didnt encourage me to splash out again for the update either.
Septimus Prime
Member
There's a guy named Ryu in it. What more do you want?
So basically we should spam the official Twitters accounts with suggestions and poll results in the hopes they will take note and be persuaded. Because some of these sound very arbitrary.
UMvC3 could have been amazing, though. MMX, Gene, Nina, etc. It would have been the perfect roster for me, at least on the Capcom side, and Marvel sans female characters.
At that point Marvel was probably under the impression that Nova was gonna be in Guardians and was probably getting his own movie after.
UMvC3 could have been amazing, though. MMX, Gene, Nina, etc. It would have been the perfect roster for me, at least on the Capcom side, and Marvel sans female characters.
At that point Marvel was probably under the impression that Nova was gonna be in Guardians and was probably getting his own movie after.
TRUE ORDER
Member
Welp, at least they were considered at some point, though the lame excuses are another thing.
I want Daredevil (who has a high chance being included this time around) and Psylocke, she has appeared constantly in comics since Uncanny X-Force and now Astonishibg X-Men, Marvel CoC mobile game and her inclussion on Apocalypse (even though she was wasted as a character)
thepenguin55
Member
I think the cuts were mostly smart except for Rogue, Psylocke and all the ones where they decided a character would be too similar to another. I think the reasoning behind cutting those characters was super dumb.
Sir_Crocodile
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While Nina would have been great, if it's not the BOF3 one it's kind of eh.
Katt would have been cool too, could have the Shin transformation as her super.
Katt would have been cool too, could have the Shin transformation as her super.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
"We added this Inhuman cuz it reminded us of a certain X-Men character and we thought it would be a nice nod to it."
Ban Puncher
Member
Nemesis over Gill was indeed the correct choice.
Jimnymebob
Member
I think they're talking about Rouge from Power Stone, not Rogue.
TRUE ORDER
Member
That would be a slap on the face to he fans and add more wood to he fire about the FOX ban. Don't really see it as a good idea for Marvel themselves.