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[NullPointer]

Decoys... you cheap fucks... makes my blood boil

Shit - they still haven't installed real cameras throughout yet?

This really came to a head last year with that murder on a train that *should've* been caught on camera.

That was a weird story too because there was ultimately a surveillance image released of the killer, but it had most details blurred out and nobody could disclose the origin of it.

 

[jakonovski]

Richest city in the world, nobody willing to spend the money to keep the place livable.

 

[Permanently A]

Wow that's fucking scary. How did 50-60 kids all manage to agree to this though? I can see 10-15 at most, 50-60 means someone somehow is gonna find out. Also 50-60 means each kid's cut will be almost nothing. Don't see how this works out.

 

[Ampersands]

Yikes. Glad I didn't take the BART this weekend. Something this necessary to so many people ought to be better protected, maintained, etc.

 

[Pejo]

Yikes. Glad I didn't take the BART this weekend. Something this necessary to so many people ought to be better protected, maintained, etc.

Same feeling I had. Man those people on the train had to feel pretty damn helpless.

 

[Violet_0]

seems awfully risky to pull something like this in the US

they probably coordinated this over the internet and left traces all over. And some idiot is going to brag about it on social media

 

[pokeystaples]

I think it's odd that people are wondering how things are gonna get split. My guess is it went a little like, "yo, if we can get enough peeps together we can take over a train and hijack all them rich fucks. keep what you snatch. no splits unless you wanna." Gives kids incentive to snatch as many bags as possible as quickly as possible. Fuck splitting anything when it involves that many people.

 

[Rootbeer]

Shit - they still haven't installed real cameras throughout yet?

They won't put in real camera instead relying on decoys but they can pay janitors $270K/yr (4x more than base pay due to excessive overtime)

Priorities, I guess. I certainly don't blame the guy for making as much as the system allows him to, but the management is piss poor to allow for it in the first place.

 

[Dalek]

Someone didn't read the article.

Ah-I didn't see the last paragraph-

BART killing exposes security gap — many train cameras are decoys

Although all BART cars have what look like cameras mounted to their ceilings, the vast majority of the devices are decoys incapable of capturing footage, BART officials conceded Wednesday. And some of the actual cameras are broken, two police sources said.

The use of such dummy cameras is not common knowledge. Even one member of BART’s Board of Directors said he was unaware of the decoys, and conceded that they amounted to a security gap in the Bay Area’s backbone train system. A spokeswoman for the agency said working cameras will be on every car in BART’s new fleet, the bulk of which will arrive between 2017 and 2021.

At present, what appear to many riders to be sets of four cameras on the ceilings of each BART car are primarily fakes, an effort by agency officials to deter criminals — particularly vandals — without spending money on a more extensive surveillance system for soon-to-be junked cars.

Although BART has many working cameras on platforms and in station lobbies, the fact that cameras inside trains are decoys comes with a cost, as some crimes and key incidents aren’t preserved on film.

 

[billy beane]

Is San Fransisco turning into 70's New York? The Warriors remake in the bay area?

CAN YOU DIG IT!?

 

[Rootbeer]

Yeah, the decoy camera thing broke quite a few months ago... it makes me wonder if it contributed to this attack since it's not uncommon information. I do hope they have made efforts to put in more real cameras... but I'm not optimistic.

 

[NullPointer]

Fuck splitting anything when it involves that many people.

That's a 50 DKP minus!

 

[Count Dookkake]

The prevalence of the fake cameras should be enough for a class-action lawsuit.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

This just sounds odd as fuck in this day and age.

 

[Dishwalla]

Richest city in the world, nobody willing to spend the money to keep the place livable.

RIchest? Are you talking about Oakland here?

 

[billy beane]

That's a 50 DKP minus!

I haven't watched this video in probably a decade thank you.

 

[malingenie]

And they say today's youth can't organize and execute a plan!

 

[tearsintherain]

It sounds like something that would happen in New York 40 years ago.

When things start going bad like this, citizens get frustrated and start taking action into their own hands. As crime got insane in the 80s in New York, people started carrying guns on the subway. There's a famous 1984 case where a vigilante shot 4 muggers on the subway, which kickstarted a national debate on crime, vigilantes, concealed carry, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting

 

[Gallbaro]

Ah-I didn't see the last paragraph-

BART killing exposes security gap — many train cameras are decoys

BART is an employment center first and a transit agency second.

 

[StrategyFan]

robbing bart passengers is just pathetic

in terms of number of participants, that's a huge number. they might have set some kind of record for the bay area

 

[Dalek]

BART is an employment center first and a transit agency second.

Perfectly put. The more you pay attention to the politics surrounding BART the more it makes you want to pull your hair out.

 

[Count Dookkake]

When things start going bad like this, citizens get frustrated and start taking action into their own hands. As crime got insane in the 80s in New York, people started carrying guns on the subway. There's a famous 1984 case where a vigilante shot 4 muggers on the subway, which kickstarted a national debate on crime, vigilantes, concealed carry, etc. You could even argue this event eventually triggered Guiliani getting elected mayor, who started the broken windows and compstat programs in NYC which are heavily credited with the reversal of urban crime in the 90s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting

This is one of the earliest news stories I remember because an issue of Mad Magazine had a Bernie Goetz cut-out mask. I didn't get it at first, then I lol'ed.

 

[shandy706]

Crap, I need a bigger gun magazine. I'm only prepared to shoot 9...maybe 10 robbers.

Back to the drawing board.

 

[jakonovski]

RIchest? Are you talking about Oakland here?

Oh right, I forgot it's not the same city as SF. Who pays for the BART?

 

[Ogodei]

Wow that's fucking scary. How did 50-60 kids all manage to agree to this though? I can see 10-15 at most, 50-60 means someone somehow is gonna find out. Also 50-60 means each kid's cut will be almost nothing. Don't see how this works out.

Means it's probably just for fun in my mind. Can't speak to the circumstances of the kids, but it was more "go out and fuck shit up because we can."

 

[Fuzzery]

Perfectly put. The more you pay attention to the politics surrounding BART the more it makes you want to pull your hair out.

Why are American cities so bad at public transit, or is it just bart

 

[jmdajr]

Ah-I didn't see the last paragraph-

BART killing exposes security gap — many train cameras are decoys

wow.

 

[pokeystaples]

That's a 50 DKP minus!

Been so long. Very well done.

 

[Mechanized]

Concealed carry legal there? I know I'd be packing the next time I got on a train.

 

[Dalek]

Why are American cities so bad at public transit, or is it just bart

In general public transit over america is pretty shitty-but BART is a special case. It's an endless money pit-the service and technology never gets updated. Anytime more funding gets allocated to do so the workers run in to scoop it all up.

 

[Frostinferno]

As someone who commutes on BART, this is awful news to hear.

 

[entremet]

Why are American cities so bad at public transit, or is it just bart

Density. US cities are pretty spread out. The less dense the more expensive to operate and maintain.

 

[NullPointer]

As someone who commutes on BART, this is awful news to hear.

As someone else who commutes on BART, I'll be shocked when I eventually-hopefully hear some non-awful news for once.

 

[theechrisfox]

Means it's probably just for fun in my mind. Can't speak to the circumstances of the kids, but it was more "go out and fuck shit up because we can."

This reminds me of an incident that happened last year in Philly. Mobs of people are pretty scary and can do a lot of damage really quick. Approximately 150 youths were running amok in the streets near Temple University, a few people were robbed or beaten.

 

[elrechazado]

A clockwork Orange

 

[Gallbaro]

Why are American cities so bad at public transit, or is it just bart

Bart is probably the worst of the worst. It was designed and installed with a proprietary track and loading gauge, so it cannot use off-the-shelf components. For... Reasons...

But the main problem is in Democratic states transit is typically well funded, but they do not negotiate against labor.

In Republican states transit is typically poorly funded, but the do negotiate against labor.

 

[Fuzzery]

In general public transit over america is pretty shitty-but BART is a special case. It's an endless money pit-the service and technology never gets updated. Anytime more funding gets allocated to do so the workers run in to scoop it all up.

I mean workers getting paid fairly and strong unions seems to be a good thing generally, but it seems it's getting out of control here

 

[disappeared]

That's a 50 DKP minus!

Fuck me haha haven't seen that in forever.

 

[Old Gimlet Eyes]

Concealed carry legal there? I know I'd be packing the next time I got on a train.

Unfortunately it's extremely difficult if not impossible to get a ccw in the surrounding Bay Area counties.

 

[uglysinner]

I know times are tough for everyone, but anyone who is 100% preoccupied with their own little lives is partially to blame for this (including many who got robbed, I'm sure).

 

[Machine]

Usually flash robberies target malls or convenience stores. This is pretty scary stuff.

 

[PsychBat!]

I know times are tough for everyone, but anyone who is 100% preoccupied with their own little lives is partially to blame for this (including many who got robbed, I'm sure).

what?

 

[Guevara]

Usually flash robberies target malls or convenience stores. This is pretty scary stuff.

True. They finally arrested the "Rainbow Girls":

Sixteen people have been accused of joining a theft ring in which packs of suspects would blitz retail stores like Barney’s and Burberry, centering their mayhem in San Francisco’s Union Square but also spreading as far as Honolulu, Seattle, Las Vegas, Phoenix and Dallas, San Francisco prosecutors said Monday.

Many of the defendants were named in a grand jury indictment, handed down last week in San Francisco Superior Court, that listed charges including robbery, grand theft, commercial burglary and conspiracy for crimes allegedly committed over at least the past year. Others were directly charged by the district attorney’s office.

The suspects were well known to Union Square merchants for their method of “overwhelming” store employees, said District Attorney George Gascón, as they made off with about $225,000 worth of goods, often from high-end shops in San Francisco such as Louis Vuitton, Christian Dior, Ferragamo and Lululemon.

“Large groups of people, sometimes as many as 10 or 12, would enter an establishment with booster bags in their hands and just brazenly grab as much merchandise as they possibly could and run out the door,”

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/16-busted-for-takeover-style-Rainbow-Crew-9645136.php​

 

[jmdajr]

Usually flash robberies target malls or convenience stores. This is pretty scary stuff.

Yeah they don't usually target actual people right?

 

[BigBeauford]

I know times are tough for everyone, but anyone who is 100% preoccupied with their own little lives is partially to blame for this (including many who got robbed, I'm sure).

Not even implied victim blaming.

 

[Dalek]

I know times are tough for everyone, but anyone who is 100% preoccupied with their own little lives is partially to blame for this (including many who got robbed, I'm sure).

90 posts before victim blaming.

 

[Old Gimlet Eyes]

I know times are tough for everyone, but anyone who is 100% preoccupied with their own little lives is partially to blame for this (including many who got robbed, I'm sure).

The people who got robbed are partially to blame? What the fuck?

 

[Great Poster]

I know times are tough for everyone, but anyone who is 100% preoccupied with their own little lives is partially to blame for this (including many who got robbed, I'm sure).

what the fuck kind of victim blaming bullshit is this...they ride that too/from home/work and other places and they get robbed, and its THEIR fault they're living their own lives...gtfo

 

[Gallbaro]

what the fuck kind of victim blaming bullshit is this...they ride that too/from home/work and other places and they get robbed, and its THEIR fault they're living their own lives...gtfo

Well I think he is implying that the increasing cost of living and income inequality is forcing these people to theft. Now these people will likely use the force of the police to try and suppress the revolutions of the proletariat. If those are the optics he was going for.

 

[jmdajr]

Not even implied victim blaming.

90 posts before victim blaming.

The people who got robbed are partially to blame? What the fuck?

what the fuck kind of victim blaming bullshit is this...they ride that too/from home/work and other places and they get robbed, and its THEIR fault they're living their own lives...gtfo

Dumb victims! They don't even have Spidey sense!