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[havoc00]

John Romero, co-founder of legendary first-person shooter developer id Software and designer on the original DOOM, is a big fan of Xbox Game Pass. That tidbit popped up during a recent interview where Romero spoke with Luke Lohr of Xbox Expansion Pass.


"It's great because it's try before you buy. You try something, install it, if you like it dive in and go buy the expansions, go get the rest of it," he says. "It's a really great way to just try stuff, one thing after another thing. Really the barrier for people to play games is just access to those games. Even free-to-play games, it's like, knowing that those games exist, and Game Pass is like 'Here they are!'"

"It's really great to just have that visibility and discovery right there, and you can just try stuff. It's like 'Oh, I've heard about this thing, let me just install this and see what it's like,'" he adds. "It doesn't hurt the game companies that made those games, because they would've uninstalled it even if it took them longer to get it."

Original DOOM designer John Romero thinks Xbox Game Pass is "really great"

John Romero, co-founder of id Software, believes Xbox Game Pass is great for letting players find and discover more to play.

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[cormack12]

Err

it's try before you buy

No. It's 'try and if you don't like then stop playing'. If you like finish it before it leaves gamepass and never spend another dime on it.

And I like it!

 

[Alexios]

How much of your life is content crappers and if thing you like is praised by them to announce to all those who may not like the same thing?

"Yes".

 

[Generic]

And he's 100% right. But the gaming community is the only place in the world where people argue that paying more for things is good.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

source:
Windows Central

 

[Kenneth Haight]

It doesn't hurt the game companies that made those games

Activision Blizzard to lay off hundreds in Irvine and Santa Monica starting next month

Activision Blizzard will begin layoffs at its Irvine and Santa Monica locations next month. Layoffs at its Playa Vista facility will start in November.

www.latimes.com

 

[Sintoid]

Gamepass is great until stockholders see the money they're investing without profit

 

[Johnny Concrete]

For a split second I read that ‘Original Doom Creator John Romero Passed Away’.

But he’s alive and talking about Game Pass…

 

[Oppoi]

I guess MS decided once again to go all in on Xbox. It had been awful quiet on that front as of late. But now they're back spreading the messages of how great they are like a jackhammer.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

And he's 100% right. But the gaming community is the only place in the world where people argue that paying more for things is good.

Deals, word of mouth, videos, and sequels (for previous entries), established subs services are the factors of discoverability.... a perfectly fine and well balanced life cycle for any game.

GP (as the service MS tried to push) is doing more damage to the entire industry. heck, it killed Xbox

 

[mitch1971]

I don't understand how paying for a month of game pass (about one quarter the price of the brand new game you want to play) is good for the industry.

 

[Cakeboxer]

How can he dare? Get his ass over here, NeoGAF has a bunch of experts who passionately will tell him otherwise.

 

[Oppoi]

I don't understand how paying for a month of game pass (about one quarter the price of the brand new game you want to play) is good for the industry.

Hey look here's a bag of money!

 

[DeepEnigma]

The Daikatana guy?

 

[adamsapple]

Thanks, Romero.

 

[Mr Moose]

"It's great because it's try before you buy."
That's what demos are for.

 

[TheStam]

It's great value. I have it from time to time. I've had it now since I wanted to play the new COD, FS24, Indy, Stalker 2 and Hellblade 2. Paying just for these games would have set me back a couple of years worth of Game Pass. But at the same time I kind of want to own something like FS24 and when I stop paying it's gone obviously.

I try out a lot of games there but I feel like I value games less when I haven't bought them somehow. Also I cannot play them on Steam Deck natively, but I can stream them with Moonlight.

But yeah, it is a great deal no doubt.

 

[adamsapple]

'Oh, I've heard about this thing, let me just install this and see what it's like,'

Very apt point, can't even count how many games I've played and beaten on game pass that I wouldn't have otherwise.

The real HeisenbergFX4 said the same thing in a different thread the other day.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[mopspear]

Change thread title to "Daikatana designer John Romero thinks Xbox Game Pass is "really great""

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Gamepass is fantastic because there are so many games I've been on the 'fence' that I can try without spending an additional dime.

 

[damidu]

its great because its unsustainability cemented ms going full third party and pretty much killed their console business.
win-win

 

[willothedog]

Gamepass is great until stockholders see the money they're investing without profit

You don't invest in a division, but in the corporation which is doing fine.

'In the fiscal year 2024, Microsoft Corporation reported a net income of over 88.14 billion U.S. dollars, an increase from fiscal year 2023 figure of 72.36 billion U.S. dollars. Microsoft's sales revenue also peaked in fiscal year 2024 at 245 billion U.S. dollars.'

 

[Mortisfacio]

Deals, word of mouth, videos, and sequels (for previous entries), established subs services are the factors of discoverability.... a perfectly fine and well balanced life cycle for any game.

GP (as the service MS tried to push) is doing more damage to the entire industry. heck, it killed Xbox

No, it didn't kill Xbox. Xbox One killed Xbox with inferior specs to the PS4. The Kinect and DRM debacle. Followed by no games. Losing the digital library gen. Followed by saying "we care about hardware for real gamers" then releasing the Series S, gimping the generation. Then having a bright spot in Holiday 2021 with games like Forza 5 and Halo Infinite, but 343 botched the multiplayer with bugs galore and slow content drip. Then going two years of no notable games, hyping Starfield as the mega blockbuster to compete with Sony 1st parties like Santa Monica and Naughty Dog, but Starfield instead is a dud.

There's so much that led to the Xbox brand dying. I personally think Game Pass is not one of those. Bringing value to gamers is a positive.

 

[TheAtomicPile]

Gamepass is great until stockholders see the money they're investing without profit

Yeah I can't complain that I just played a $70 Indiana Jones game for a total of $12. I also wonder though how long that can go on before the board puts their foot down and ruins everything.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Of course he does. He’s got a brain.

 

[kazuyamishima]

 

[DeepEnigma]

Race to the devaluation bottom. Where the mega corps suck up every devalued IP and studios/publishers.

 

[FoxMcChief]

 

[LectureMaster]

For players/consumers Game Pass is no doubt the best value.

The debating is always about whether it hurts or helps game dev and publishers.

 

[Syphon Filter]

i dont like gamepass since i never liked renting.

 

[FoxMcChief]

For players/consumers Game Pass is no doubt the best value.

The debating is always about whether it hurts or helps game dev and publishers.

They do enough hurting the industry with their bloated budgets. Maybe they should tackle that issue first.

 

[amigastar]

Personally i like playing my games day 1 on Gamepass.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

It's great value. I have it from time to time.

This is why these services will never really succeed.

Player retention and continuous high-quality content will not be sustainable.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

Deals, word of mouth, videos, and sequels (for previous entries), established subs services are the factors of discoverability.... a perfectly fine and well balanced life cycle for any game.

GP (as the service MS tried to push) is doing more damage to the entire industry. heck, it killed Xbox

Just because GP exists and Xbox is struggling, doesn't mean GP is the reason they're struggling. They were trending downwards long before GP ever came out because their top franchises weren't the system sellers they were in the 2000s and MS didn't have anything in the works to succeed them.

 

[tTHANOSs]

And he's 100% right. But the gaming community is the only place in the world where people argue that paying more for things is good.

It's about principle. Most developers will not want to devalue their game by putting it on a subscription service day 1. Public libraries are now offering video games to check out. Which is an easy way to try a game. If you like it buy a copy to support the devs. People have been buying games for decades just fine.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

How can he dare? Get his ass over here, NeoGAF has a bunch of experts who passionately will tell him otherwise.

I mean, the state of Xbox is doing fine by itself telling him otherwise.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

No, it didn't kill Xbox. Xbox One killed Xbox. The Kinect and DRM debacle. Followed by no games. Followed by inferior hardware. Followed by saying "we care about hardware for real gamers" then releasing the Series S, gimping the generation. Then having a bright spot in Holiday 2021 with games like Forza 5 and Halo Infinite, but 343 botched the multiplayer with bugs galore and slow content drip. Then going two years of no notable games, hyping Starfield as the mega blockbuster to compete with Sony 1st parties like Santa Monica and Naughty Dog, but Starfield instead is a dud.

There's so much that led to the Xbox brand dying. I personally think Game Pass is not one of those. Bringing value to gamers is a positive.

remember the context in which game pass came to be:

An Xbox with and incredibly lackluster First Party output; shortly after the GP introduction, Xbox promised all First Party games were going to be Day One on the service.

several things happened:

Xbox PR(marketing/showcases) - including online Shills-. put GP front and center of their narrative.

the "wait until next year" became a meme until this day.

and because of that promise and push (alongside a promising GP growth at the beginning) MS decided to buy Bethesda and afterwards ABK.

They bought those publishers because they desperately needed content for the service and that fucked them up.

GP was the last nail in the coffin. they spent so much money at he same time their platform was declining. 2022 (the year without games) marked the current Xbox trend.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Just because GP exists and Xbox is struggling, doesn't mean GP is the reason they're struggling.

it is.

They were trending downwards long before GP ever came out because their top franchises weren't the system sellers they were in the 2000s and MS didn't have anything in the works to succeed them.

you are right. but GP literally killed game sales on the platform (and decreased the 30% cut revenue on every transaction).

 

[havoc00]

Was Daikatana that bad?

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

it is.

you are right. but GP literally killed game sales on the platform (and decreased the 30% cut revenue on every transaction).

GP isn't free though.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

How can he dare? Get his ass over here, NeoGAF has a bunch of experts who passionately will tell him otherwise.

Anyone else roll their eyes at these victim posts?
Gamepass has proven to be detrimental to Xbox and the industry. The big bet failed and Xbox is in shambles.

But keep deflecting that subscription service is under attack.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Anyone else roll their eyes at these victim posts?
Gamepass has proven to be detrimental to Xbox and the industry. The big bet failed and Xbox is in shambles.

But keep deflecting that subscription service is under attack.

I'm not a victim, i'm saving thousands of Euros and loving it. I bet many people who hate it, only hate it because their plastic box doesn't have it. I'm a customer, i don't care if it's good for Xbox or Microsoft and no dev is forced to put their games on it. I only care if it's good for me.

 

[Judge Death]

What does John Romero know? Nothing that's what. When I want opinions on xbox I go straight to Pepperami and Robert Killjoy Silk and their lapdogs.

At the end of the day there are many more devs that have praised GP than not. That GP has killed the industry is a bootlicker narrative they've refined for almost a decade. They've hated it from the start because it meant xbox owners got to play a shit load more and still keep a big wad of cash in their pocket while doing so.

If you want a culprit for the killer of the games industry look at the self-proclaimed number one company that just pissed a billion dollars up the drain pipe.

 

[jm89]

1. Release a decent demo.
2. People enjoy it
3. Not only do they buy your expansion, also the game.

Cause most won't be trying then buying the actual game if it's on gamepass.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

GP isn't free though.

yeah. MS needs to spend money to convince publishers to put their games on GP.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

I don't understand how paying for a month of game pass (about one quarter the price of the brand new game you want to play) is good for the industry.

Yeah all those viewers, studios, actors, artists, writers, set designers, costume makers, audio specialists, editors etc are all really upset Netflix came to the Hollywood party /S

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

yeah. MS needs to spend money to convince publishers to put their games on GP.

So MS just does it completely out of charity. GP is free for all consumers.

Do you have a link to anyone credible that explicitly says GP is the reason Xbox is struggling?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

So MS just does it completely out of charity. GP is free for all consumers.

That’s what Phil wants you to belive.

Do you have a link to anyone credible that explicitly says GP is the reason Xbox is struggling?

Where have you been these 7 years?