There's NOTHING in January. That's why I wouldn't say software line-up is improving. Not in the ways it should be. I'm not sure how well a business decision killing the DS is in that there can be a positive having a cheap model on the market (better DS or Wii (for Nintendo) than Apple or cheap PS3 or whatever for instance).
PAL Charts - Week 51, 2012
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After NOE pricing digital Pilotwings (£40), I have so little faith that Brain Training will be cheaper than £30 (well £29.99 if one were to be pedantic)
And to Baconsammy - I'm actually buying more for 3DS than any year on the DS! Seems I'm an exception to the rule though!
electroplankton
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You forget that Nintendo games tend to sell well over time. It's wrong to leave a full month completely empty, but it's not so dramatic if you're talking about casuals, that are not day-one buyers.
Clay Davis
Member
I ment if they were returned/sold back to the storeThat means that the stores will have more stock, and if it doesnt sell, it would mean less purchases of new consoles directly from Nintendo.
ah, sorry about the confusion. entirely my fault. not running on all cylinders today due to not sleeping much last night and now my gf is planning to drag me to see the new year fireworks on the thames.
I didn't forget that though. That's one amazing aspect of Nintendo where I wasn't so foolish as to incorrectly spell bomba and apply it to NSMB2 after week one Japan.
And it's almost two months I believe (I may not be 100% accurate) in between Paper Mario and whatever the February game is (is it Scribblenauts or Sonic Racing or something similar, maybe both).
Games, games, better ads and bundles. And games. First half seems pretty nice: there are at least two good Nintendo releases saleswise ( Luigi & Pokèmon Mistery Dungeon) and the very big one, Animal Crossing, that will be by far a much bigger release than any title released in the first half of 2012 here in the West. And many third party titles (most of them niche / quite niche, but there are Castlevania and Monster Hunter too). And they have still to detail Q2, since so far we have details for Q1. Aside from this, they need to advertise the product better, release bundles / colors. Not in the same way Japan does it, but at least in the same way NoE does it. And extend that Club Nintendo promotion to US too. Oh, and obviously, having a main Pokèmon next year would be nice.
TheDrowningMan
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PS2 was insta-casual, regardless of its line up. 360 abd PS3, on the other hand...it's easy to forget how moribund the HD hardware sales were for the first couple of years.
grimshawish
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Remember their then going pretty heavy with 3DS releases over Feb/March and then the summer. So yeah the 'sell the legs off NSMB2' kind of fits.
XL deal comes to an end in January, after which I think NoE will be happy to go into the next group of releases just selling whats left.
It really is a bit impossible for Nintendo to have a game every month and tbh right after Christmas is the better time to have it. I do think with the low third party support Nintendo should maybe look to offer better prices on 3D Land. It would help sell systems.
EDIT: But then I suppose thats why they did the free game offer. So maybe we'll see variations on that?
The March situation is kinda silly when Castlevania (okay, I realise it's not Nintendo published) may well bomb disastrously at the hands of Luigi's Mansion, Monster Hunter and maybe if we see Pokémon Mystery Dungeon.
I think part of my point (which I didn't specify) is my frustration that Paper Mario (and to a degree Layton and NSMB2) were relied upon to carry Christmas.
Phoenician_Viking
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Fixed.
The support is quite present from Japan, even in the West / Europe with the titles confirmed for localisation, the problem is that most of the stuff that is good saleswise in Japan is not that good here in the West, just like the DS. But yes, I agree with you that Nintendo should start thinking to lower prices of some of their titles at retail ( 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 for now, then from April Kid Icarus: Uprising, etc.etc.)
@Phoenican: Yes, you're right, they should start thinking about lowering prices for all the titles too.
grimshawish
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I share the frustration but I think thats why the special offer was brought in.
NSMB2 seems to have done very very well though and has shown the doubters it does have legs.
For my gaming tastes December ended kind of strong with the eshop and VLR/Paper Mario; so am reasonably happy.
I think if they could have got Luigi in 2012 with no issues they would have, but its clear their fine tuning that game. As soon as it moved back they just chose a new date for release.
test_account
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No worries at all
You're right that it could help a bit directly on launch though, in the way that Nintendo (or Microsoft or Sony for their systems) gets to sell more systems to the retailers, which means more money coming in quicker right at launch.I personally love the offer but where was it publicised on TV? A huge missed opportunity for Nintendo UK (again).
And I am fortunate enough to spend December in New Leaf land so personally my December was pretty fine gaming wise too!
Edit: to add, I agree that Luigi's Mansion delay may have been beneficial (to the game) and I fully understand the reasons for Animal Crossing (the special cartridge) but something else SHOULD have been done. Even if all they could get was the Brain Training, they should have done more.
grimshawish
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I've seen one or two ads on TV actually. Amazon and other stores were giving the offer prime position on their store places.
I don't think its been badly advertised at all; and a big reason for what looks like a good Christmas for 3DS.
I think I watch the wrong channels as all I see is Vita COD ads! Anyways, let's hope it's a good Christmas
electroplankton
Banned
Was PS2 insta-casual at that price point? I don't think so. Casuals came later, along with Singstar and EyeToy (I'm mainly referring to Europe, by the way).
Was DS line-up monthly full?
I don't believe that in between the release of the DS Lite and original 3DS that DS was ever in such a need as 3DS is.Was DS line-up monthly full?
Starwolf_UK
Member
Well given how the original Art Academy was DSiWare > boxed retail game and seemed to perform with some merit I guess they assumed lightning could strike twice. Only problem is the conditions changed as others saw the success of Art Academy...
shinra-bansho
Member
Lol, no.
electroplankton
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Of course, and I thought a multi-national company's management would have realized this
shinra-bansho
Member
Hmm, so I was looking into this idea of France being some sort of Nintendo stronghold in Europe.
Nintendo sold 6.6M Wiis in the UK through to the end of 2009. That amounted to a ~46% 7th gen home console marketshare. They had sold over 8M Wiis in the UK by the end of 2010.
Meanwhile in France there were 5.8M Wii's sold through to the end of 2011, amounting to ~47% of marketshare.
Similar marketshare, and in absolute numbers several million more in the UK. So I'm wondering how this idea of Fortress France holds?
Nintendo sold 6.6M Wiis in the UK through to the end of 2009. That amounted to a ~46% 7th gen home console marketshare. They had sold over 8M Wiis in the UK by the end of 2010.
Meanwhile in France there were 5.8M Wii's sold through to the end of 2011, amounting to ~47% of marketshare.
Similar marketshare, and in absolute numbers several million more in the UK. So I'm wondering how this idea of Fortress France holds?
I'm with you on Mario but I wouldn't say that about Layton. I played through Lost Future and Spectre's Call earlier this year and got Miracle Mask a month ago and thought there was a huge noticeable difference in production values and quality. All the characters are 3D models instead of everything being sprites and looking around the areas in 3D is way better than just tapping a still image like in the DS games.
I mean at the end at of the day you could say it's still just puzzles, but everything around them is improved and they do some stuff with some puzzles and mini games that either wouldn't work on DS or would look terrible.
Really? They're claming Wii is still at 8m in the UK in a press release this year
shinra-bansho
Member
Hmm I read an article that said it sourced Gfk-ChartTrack. But on further inspection the original source doesn't make the claim of 8M, just 1 in 3 households.
I've also now found the quote from a Nintendo UK rep though that says ~8M Wiis. 1.4M for the last three years seems very low though - although could be accurate.
Could be very accurate given how poorly it's sold here since 360 slim (heck even just before that 360 was outselling Wii.)
Wouldn't be surprised if Wii did something like 300k this year alone.
Perhaps the 8m is just rounded down slightly though. Definitly think the 1 in 3 households can be very easily manipulated and shouldn't be used as any sort of fact.
Here is the quote from Nov 30th 2012:
Shelly Pearce: We hope it'll build on the launch base of the Wii. In the UK the Wii is now around 8 million [sold] and we hope to attract all of that 8 million - hopefully more. We're certainly pleased it has launched this peak season before Christmas. The key thing is it's the only new home console on the market. It definitely has an advantage in that respect.
This means you're seeing the actual numbers, or that, as usual, it's what you gathered through several retailers. Which of these? Geniunely curious, here.
Gamona anticipation
German Console Only Week 52 Top 10
01./02. [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (Activision)
02./01. [Wii] Just Dance 4 ( Ubisoft)
03./04. [PS3] Far Cry 4 (Ubisoft)
04./03. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo)
05./RE. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3 Bonus Edition (Ubisoft)
06./06. [360] Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (Activision)
07./05. [360] FIFA 13 (Electronic Arts)
08./10. [360] Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)
09./07. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo)
10./09. [360] Halo 4 (Microsoft)
German Console Only Week 52 Top 10
01./02. [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (Activision)
02./01. [Wii] Just Dance 4 ( Ubisoft)
03./04. [PS3] Far Cry 4 (Ubisoft)
04./03. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo)
05./RE. [PS3] Assassin's Creed 3 Bonus Edition (Ubisoft)
06./06. [360] Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (Activision)
07./05. [360] FIFA 13 (Electronic Arts)
08./10. [360] Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)
09./07. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo)
10./09. [360] Halo 4 (Microsoft)
pieatorium
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people on holidays and whatever it's not a big deal to havr it all in the one thread for a couple of weeks really.
not hard to keep up
pieatorium
Member
somone earlier was saying there were some really good 360 bundle deals in the last couple of weeks for germany
Wonderbook is a new gaming platform? Or new I.P on an ageing console*?
*with a huge base in comparison.
shinra-bansho
Member
It's not really a new IP so much as a new peripheral; which could be considered a platform. I believe 2 or 3 more games are currently known to be slated for it.
I was also under the impression from these threads, although I could be wrong, that its placing in the UK chart was essentially due to sales of 12GB console bundles, so in that regard comparisons to Nintendo Land's performance doesn't seem far off.
I was also under the impression from these threads, although I could be wrong, that its placing in the UK chart was essentially due to sales of 12GB console bundles, so in that regard comparisons to Nintendo Land's performance doesn't seem far off.
It's just a tongue-in-cheek thing, like 'Wii Balance Board vs. PS3' was in Japan. Some daft peripheral comes along and outsells the latest 'hotness', everyone has a giggle.
It's a new gaming platform, like Move or Kinect or Wii Balance board are. Now Book of Spells, that's a new IP.
I wasn't aware that Wonderbook came out a year or too after the WiiU though...
(hint: that's what made it so funny)
Gianni Merryman
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To have an idea you can just look at the French weekly charts, where Nintendo games - both on handhelds and home consoes - always are higher than other countries, not to mention that historically all Nintendo consoles - Wi may be the odd one because of Just dance and other games that have been a mass phenomenon - have always sold decently in France, even when said consoles were bombing in other countries - look at GC sales in France and UK.
pieatorium
Member
I wasn't aware that the balance board sold in the mid twenties as a chart position
(hint: thats what makes this so funny)
Start a Twitter campaign.
#leavethewiiualone
(Although it looks like that's already happening from the charts).
michaelius
Banned
What makes it so funny is that a lot of people reddiculed Sony for releasing wonderbook 
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Numbers. My order for GfK and NPD figures was approved. I now get NPD gaming data, GfK consumer electronics and gaming market data and I have put in an order for the Japanese top 1000 almanac. With all the various subscriptions, I can piece together a pretty accurate worldwide figure for sell through now.
I will probably get around to doing that on the weekend after the 10th when NPD figures are out for December.
pieatorium
Member
Zomgbbqftw ftw
I don't even know where the hell wonderbook is on the charts.
Why the fuck would I do that when I can go into every threads like this or we can do parallel campaign?
You handle the Vita one and someone else do the WiiU one?
Jokes aside, the thing was that a system with 2 years on the market being outsold by a massively more successful competitor's gadget (deemed as the death of hardcore gaming to boot) was way more funny than what pass for comedy here.
IDK I just loved the hardcore tears back then.
The same is pretty much happening here, where a product which everyone give Sony shit for and we've had countless threats with how it's not going to sell and how overpriced it's gonna be is selling better than the Wii U in the UK and is putting up very good numbers in Portugal and Spain. All at the time when there is only one game out for the platform with no other even having an announced release date.
Don't forget that you actually have to buy or have Move as well to be able to play, and Move did come out last year and has sold 15 million units since, so you can easily discard your huge userbase argument.
shinra-bansho
Member
Citation needed i.e. what were GC, or N64 and SNES, for that matter sales in these countries and/or Germany, Italy, Spain.
I could only find Wii numbers.
(Also, NB I'm not referring to handhelds in my comments.)
I hate to be that guy but where did you see Wonderbook being reviled so much?
Outside of the e3 threads and whathaveyou it's pretty much a non entity clouded in apathy.
Wiifit was outright hated by the so called hardcores.
And WiiU still hasn't been out for more than weeks, the position of the ps3 on the market was what made it so special in the previous comparison.
A comparison to a product line that's been on the market longer than my shrinkwrapped version of Jam with the band might prove better for comedy, as it is it's a weak comeback if even.
E3 thread, every 'What has Sony got for Christmas' thread, and every Wonderbook thread.
But really the first few weeks for a new console are the ones that they get most sales out of the hype. The sales then flatten for while till the next big release comes along. So it's still pretty relevant to compare it to Wonderbook which seems to have better legs than the Wii U with just one game released for it. Also as I've said you need a Move pack for Wonderbook to even work, so that's only selling to the audience of 15 million people and not the 70 million that Ps3 has, and as many would always point out in Move threads 15 million moves doesn't equal 15 million users.