FrankWza
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I'm pretty sure that thread title was changed because it had DOA in the title or op. Could have been a different thread entirely but the calls for DoA were strong last year.
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PlayStation Portal is the best selling PlayStation Hardware on Amazon US at the moment
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Sooner
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As of yesterday, yeah, but ONLY if you just want to play PS+ games.
Soon, you'll be able to stream any PSN games you own digitally without needing a PS5.
To stream your physical PS5 games, you'll always need a PS5 (obviously).
Just another reason to move to all digital ASAP. You might lose access to physical games if the PS6 and/or PS7 are digital only machines.
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Tal Shiar Agent
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Direct connection or over the internet? I'm unsure how the Pro could be helping with over the internet streaming considering it's still only Gigabit ethernet and Remote Play over the internet has a bandwidth usage cap.
What I would like to see is a comparison between direct Remote Play, internet Remote Play, and Cloud Streaming of the same game in best possible conditions.
FoxMcChief
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Sanepar
Member
What? Elaborate that. What I can play without a proper ps5?
PatientGamer
Member
All the PS Portal haters eating massive crow right now. I think the Portal 'experimental' has all but confirmed to be a huge success..
I'd be very, very surprised if the PS6 doesn't launch with either a PS Portal 2 or a suped-up firmware update for the current Portal that further addresses the challenges that have come its way.
I'd be very, very surprised if the PS6 doesn't launch with either a PS Portal 2 or a suped-up firmware update for the current Portal that further addresses the challenges that have come its way.
Cornbread78
Member
Not sure what it is, but it ised to take around 30 secs to connect to my base PS5, now it takes about 5-10 secs with my Pro...
kevboard
Member
all that shows is how low people's standards are really.
it's an entirely useless product whose functionality can me matched by basically anything that runs android or iOS
Unknown?
Member
Not without an add on or a clip to hold your phone on the controller. I'd rather not drain my phone battery.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Ps portal does some things well, the screen isn’t huge but it wins the switch crowd who want PlayStation games.
vivftp
Member
lol, no.
- The Portal has full DualSense haptics and design, making it quite possibly the most comfortable handheld on the planet to hold and use
- The 8" 16:9 display provides more screen space than any phone for gaming, which is important when playing games that are designed to be viewed on a TV rather than a small phone display
- While you could use a tablet that's got an equal or larger sized display + a DualSense, the handheld form factor means you don't have to find a place to prop up your tablet as you play. It allows you to play in a wider variety of locations and situations, like when you're in bed
- You don't have to drain your phone/tablet battery while gaming on the Portal, and you don't have to worry about notifications/calls interrupting your gaming experience
- It just works. No fiddling with an app on your phone or tablet, just turn it on and either let it wake your PS5 and connect, or connect to the cloud in the new beta
- There is currently no cloud streaming option for PlayStation on Android or iOS, only remote play. My speculation is that the Portal is a testbed for the Android cloud rollout, since it runs on Android. This is a feature the Portal can do right now in the beta that Android and iOS devices can not
The Portal is not meant to replace phones and tablet from being options for remote play, Sony is perfectly happy if folks wanna continue to use those devices to remote play their console. It offers the most comfortable and ergonomic option available in a package that just works. The tone of your post indicates you've never used one, and don't understand what the Portal really is. Do yourself a favor and try it out if you've got a PS5 as it's a wonderful device.
Topher
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Hardly. Nothing to do with "standards". Not everyone wants to have to attach controls to their phone. Tablets are going to be hard to find at a $200 price point and 1080p unless they are no-name brands. Most 7" and 8" tablets are 1300x800.
kevboard
Member
why does noone want to attach a controller to their phone? takes 2 seconds, costs a fraction, has basically the same functionality + more.
it's also infinitely more portable, and more comfortable to use lying down.
FrankWza
Gold Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Especially at the rate of “set up to fail” phone batteries are compared to a product like this. Not to mention they run much hotter due to all the other processors impacting their lifespan.
I don’t have a Portal, but I can see its appeal much like a SteamDeck.
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vivftp
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Several years ago I used one of the clip-on devices that placed my phone above my DualShock 4. It caused a terrible balancing issue with the whole setup being top heavy. I did not use it for long. There are other setups like a Backbone and whatnot, and if you're already paying for something like that then it really doesn't cost that much more to consider a Portal
And while it can vary from person to person, the general sentiment is that the Portal is by far the most comfortable remote play solution on the market.
yurinka
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It isn't an speculation: it's PS cloud gaming on Android, and they have been working on PS cloud gaming for mobile during so many years, even announced it 10 years ago in the PS cloud gaming announcement when they mentioned its long term plans, and 5 years ago mentioned they planned to implement it this generation.
They also filled related patents, like cloud gaming optimizations for when running it over 5G. So yes, some time after it's fully deployed on PS Portal make sure it will be also released on phones and tablets.
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Topher
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I didn't say "no one". I would much rather have a dedicated device than have to take off physical controls off when I get a phone call. Obviously I am not the only one. If you are fine with jumping back and forth between phone and handheld then that's you.
The only attachable controller comparable to DualSense is the Razer Kishi Ultra and it is $150. I have one and it is not "infinitely more portable" or more "comfortable". I'd say it is slightly more portable, but not by much. About the same comfort-wise except for when you have to answer the dang phone.
Nothing wrong with anyone using their phone for game streaming, but dedicated devices have their own advantages so saying they are "useless" is simply false.
I had one, but returned it only because of the stutter issue, which has apparently been fixed. It is a nice device. Hopefully they will release another but with OLED.
vivftp
Member
It's speculation of an Android app until it happens. The announcements when they acquired Gaikai over 10 years ago were a roadmap, but of course that roadmap ran into speedbumps along the way. They've been getting back on track during this gen of course. Once the Android app is released then we'll see PS cloud gaming on phones, tablets and Bravia TVs.
The speculation is that the Portal is a stealth test for the Android app they're developing, but haven't announced yet.
yurinka
Member
It is not speculation, they publicly announced it multiple times.
As I mentioned not in Gaikai, but as the PS Now announcement long term plans, and more recently in 2019 when Sony mentioned it to their investors their cloud gaming plans for this generation. And even more recently when mentioning as part of their mobile gaming strategy.
Plus also appears in several patents filled during many years ago. It's a fact, it is a publicly known announced fact that they are working on PS Cloud gaming for mobile.
In fact MS must be paying Sony for using cloud gaming on mobile because Sony is the one who has the patent of both cloud gaming in general and also cloud gaming on mobile using mobile internet.
And well, tech wise the cloud gaming app on PS Portal is just an Android app, so to turn it into a normal Android App they only would need to implement the other controls and make sure it adapts well to the other resolutions, something I assume they can reuse from their Android and iOS remote play app. Meaning, the implementation is basically complete and maybe after some test in PS Portal may be ready to be released.
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vivftp
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We're talking about 2 different things related to the same subject. You're referring to their plans for mobile expansion, and I'm referring to the actual announcement of an Android mobile app, which has not occurred as of yet.
The Andoid app will require more testing since the Portal is just a singular device with set hardware and there are so many Android devices out there. They've already got data they can utilize from the remote play app, but they'll still need to bring it all together for the Android cloud streaming app, which is what I was referring to.
March Climber
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No, it's not, for a lot of people. Also the designs of all of these phone controllers annoy many.
However, even after saying this, I have personally been waiting years for someone to make the Xperia-style slider controller and after years of nothing, it looks like someone is finally trying to produce it for phones:
And version 0.5 of the model looks good enough for me to buy into it.
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Still completely missing the point.
Lionel Richie
Member
It's not comparable to the Switch experience at all and I don't (want to) believe that was the intention.
Synless
Member
People said this last year and guess what… It wasn’t an issue.
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
This. It's a game-changer.
Zathalus
Member
Absolutely, I'm playing with my Portal way more now. It's my remote play platform of choice right now.
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
I already spent most of my game-time on Portal, but it's only now that I realize how much the presence of the stutter was.
Especially in Blops6. It's like I completely have to re-learn my 'skills' as subconciously I seem to have completely adjusted to the stutter/latency (whatever it was) and now that it plays smoothly my timing was a bit off, giving me a hard time aiming.
But I'm getting accustomed to it. Lol
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Giallo Corsa
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Of course, they had to fix it only a couple of weeks after I sold the damned thing
Waited long enough and personally, knowing Sony, I didn't think they'd have bothered at all, joke's on me I suppose, the only winner is the guy I sold it to in mint condition with a tempered glass applied, console skin, thumb grips AND carrying case for 130€, FML...
Anyway, NOW is the time to jump in on the portal and I'd argue that it's actually one of the nicest streaming console propositions ATM.
Just a heads up for users interested in getting it :
For the love of God, try the remote play app first on your phone/tablet and IF you have no connection problems, then and ONLY THEN get a Portal.since it doesn't have any "secret sauce" nor does it connect differently compared to the average device you have in your household.
TLDNR : Give the Remote play app a go on your phone/tablet first before spending 200$/220€ on the Portal
Cornbread78
Member
Because I did it for a long time with my XBox and it is a crappy experience compared to using a dedicated device for remote play....
yurinka
Member
Yes, the plans have been announced but the cloud gaming app for mobile devices itself still hasn't been announced.
Yes, do to the app for a single device is way simpler than to release it for hundreds of devices. It's better to release it for a single one, to test it, fix it and tweak it there. And once it looks great, then to do the work of porting it to many devices more and escalate the server side.
Their plans for mobile expansion has four areas:
- Cloud gaming on mobile devices
- Very small priority for short term, big potential for the very long term
- Mobile games
- Some published by them, some developed in-house and some developed by external partners
- Some published by imporant 3rd parties who get licensed Sony IPs to also use them on mobile gaming
- Some support to external small mobile gaming gems
- Mobile specific PS+ stuff
- They were exploring types of new gaming and non-gaming PS+ content that may interest the users to use it on mobile devices
- Mobile PSN store
- To also sell first and 3rd party mobile games and dlcs on their own store/payment
- Potential home for the PS+ mobile specific stuff
They have been investing in a lot of stuff there thinking in the long term. Many of these projects are taking years.
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yurinka
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According to Sony the idea with PS Portal was to increase the gameplay hours of the already existing PS5 users, something they mentioned that was achieved.
Because for companies, on average more gameplay hours = more games/dlc bought.
I assume their idea was mainly to allow their PS5 users to play from the bedroom when they only have the console in the living room, to play while someone else is using the tv, or to play while pooping. That would increase the user's gameplay hours, so indirectly in the long term would also increase the average amount of money spent per user.
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That guy again? Lol
awwr999999
Member
Take the existing PS5 input latency and add 100ms to "hundreds of ms" additional input latency.
The FTC needs to make consoles state the base input latency on the console box and the added input latency on each controller/accessory box.
Taking input latency from your TV/monitor and adding together the console + controller would give you the exact base latency before games are factored in.
As soon as this becomes mandatory plug-in wired controllers will become more popular than wireless and the console war will become an input latency war.
Sony should give the PS6 plug-in controllers and post the latency on the box to fire the first shot.
The masses have always had low standards and will always have low standards - looking back it's just an accident that older consoles are better in a lot of ways than what we have now.
Playing Ms. Pac-Man or a decades old shmup on a CRT cabinet in a pizza restaurant is closer to real-time gaming than any modern console.
FrankWza
Gold Member
You can do that already but it limits the output at the system level vs the portal which I guess has a screen limit of 1080p. So stream a ps5 game to ps4 over remote play
FrankWza
Gold Member
There was definitely a DoA thread and I believe it was the one I commented on at the top of this page. I think the title was changed. There should be some comments in thereCan we get a list of people laughing this off as a failure before it came out? I do believe we had at least one person saying they couldn't wait to see the charts and show how bad it is. I do love to watch crow get gulped!
Topher
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I had to check the threads and see if I said anything disparaging about it. I recall not really thinking that highly of the device as I wanted something more like a Steam Deck for PlayStation. Turns out, all I said was that it was "not for me". Either way, I certainly did not think it was going to be as successful as it has been.
Found the review thread where there are a variety of takes on it...
Playstation Portal reviews
To the top with great info here especially use this device in the 5GHz band A few tips boys : - PS5 should be hardwired via Ethernet - Put static IPs on both the PS5 and portal - Check channel congestion - use something like Wi-fi analyzer from the Google store to see which one is the less...
Varteras
Member
I had to check the threads and see if I said anything disparaging about it. I recall not really thinking that highly of the device as I wanted something more like a Steam Deck for PlayStation. Turns out, all I said was that it was "not for me". Either way, I certainly did not think it was going to be as successful as it has been.
Found the review thread where there are a variety of takes on it...
Playstation Portal reviews
To the top with great info here especially use this device in the 5GHz band A few tips boys : - PS5 should be hardwired via Ethernet - Put static IPs on both the PS5 and portal - Check channel congestion - use something like Wi-fi analyzer from the Google store to see which one is the less...www.neogaf.com
I vote you eat crow on a technicality!
Now just waiting for
GHG
to come in with receipts like, "Actually, Varty Boy, remember when you said..."
kazuyamishima
Member
PS5 Disc Slim, PS5 digital (base and with NBA2k25) are actually above everything else on Amazon atm.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Get the Steam Deck and best of both worlds.
It will look better with the Pro since it's showing what the Pro shows but keep in mind that like a lot of the portables the display is 1080p. You will still get better framerates, better downsampling, and RT etc but you won't be seeing 4k on a portable.
Well, the ps4 pro was sold out for weeks. The PS5 pro is available everywhere. So at least they delivered more this time. But I guess all time sales will be lower
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Steamdeck looks fugly though.