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PoliGAF 2012 |OT4|: Your job is not to worry about 47% of these posts.
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Black Republican
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Divorce papers? good job getting the economy off Obama's back for the whole week if true Mr Trump, heh.
Didn't they already have 51 before? And that wasn't enough? 52 is the magic number? I just want them get SOMETHING done. Closing Guantanamo would be a start, Obama said on the Daily Show that that's still in his plan. So I hope that gets done.
It was basically used for the debate thread, it's in bad taste to re-use it.
Beer Monkey
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Yeah, reading the report from Jennifer Brunner (former Ohio Secretary of State, the one before this asshole Jon Husted) where they audit all the voting tech.
http://goo.gl/zER8E
The Hart machines (Hart is the company that has purported ties to Romney, though the links seem fairly weak) are used this year in Hamilton and Williams counties. Hamilton Co. is the big fish with 565k voters. Articles have been written than Hamilton County (home to Cincinnati) could determine the next POTUS, as it is a swing county (major shift from Bush 2004 to Obama 2008) in a swing state. The ground ops are pretty big here.
Anyhow, these two counties are only using the Hart touchscreen machines for the disabled (accessible) polling, and scanned paper ballots for the rest of the polling. Here is some of what the report says about the Hart scanned paper system:
I do not know what changes may have been made since the report publication date of December, 2007, to further secure this system.
And I'm not freaking out, just passing along info.
http://goo.gl/zER8E
The Hart machines (Hart is the company that has purported ties to Romney, though the links seem fairly weak) are used this year in Hamilton and Williams counties. Hamilton Co. is the big fish with 565k voters. Articles have been written than Hamilton County (home to Cincinnati) could determine the next POTUS, as it is a swing county (major shift from Bush 2004 to Obama 2008) in a swing state. The ground ops are pretty big here.
Anyhow, these two counties are only using the Hart touchscreen machines for the disabled (accessible) polling, and scanned paper ballots for the rest of the polling. Here is some of what the report says about the Hart scanned paper system:
I do not know what changes may have been made since the report publication date of December, 2007, to further secure this system.
And I'm not freaking out, just passing along info.
You have one of two options:
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Manmademan
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The filibuster was a problem early in the term when democrats controlled the house. They could write bills, but those bills would die in the senate.
After 2010, republicans control the house of representatives, which is a bigger issue than the filibuster at the moment. now they can't even write the bills that have to originate in the house (like the budget).
But... we set a record. Does that record mean nothing!? ; ;
The challenge of closing Guantanamo isn't actually closing the detention facility, it's what to do with all the prisoners who are still there. Do you give them all trials, and then move the ones found guilty to domestic prisons? Do you send them back to their home countries for trials? Do you just transfer them all to detention facilities on US soil? If it was as easy as snapping his fingers and making all the prisoners disappear, Guantanamo would be closed by now.
That's what I was asking initially though: Regardless of what happens about Obama winning, or the Dems getting a bigger majority in the Senate, is there even any hope for a REAL change in how politics/decisions are gonna be made over the next 4 years, if Republicans keep going with their "Fuck Americans, we're not gonna work with Dems" narrative?
Black Republican
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if Obama gets a bump thank white voters
It is a 3 day tracker with polling from today, post debate. I believe it will be our first tracker with post-debate numbers.
mckmas8808
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So we don't have too many poor people voting.
Try to think when was the last time either candidate mentioned the poor and you can see it's working.
WOW!!! No wonder the debate in our country is tilted towards people that make more money.
Manmademan
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i said it before, it may have gotten lost in the shuffle.
This election isn't just about Obama vs. Romney, its also a referendum on whether or not the republican strategy of "obstruct everything" is effective.
If Romney wins, expect to see republicans and democrats abuse the hell out of it for decades. Nothing will get done, ever. If Romney loses, that strategy is perceived as a failure. moderate members of congress move towards some level of compromise as they did pre 2008.
eh...if you're making 10 to 14 grand a year, you're under the poverty line and are likely thinking about more immediate issues than presidential elections. like say, not starving to death, getting evicted, or getting shot by drug dealers that day.
but I guarantee you that if you charted "education level" to income as seen there it would be a 1:1 correlation.
It makes sense, how often does a guy making 10k a year have the free time to go and vote? Or the guy working two jobs? Or the single mother working and taking care of her kids? You make voting a national holiday all of a sudden it becomes about those voters, which is why it won't happen.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
No wonder the policy is tilted towards people that make more money.
I still find it odd that someone making $150,000 has an 80% chance to vote.
That's turnout, I'd like to see totals, not percentages.
There is also something to be said for being stupid and or lazy.
I really, really hope this happens.
TacticalFox88
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Manmademan
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why? if you're making $150,000 a year you have all the time in the world to go and vote, a vehicle to get to the polls is not an issue, and all the information you need to make a decision. I'd be willing to bet a very large chunk of that class makes that money from investment income (be it stocks or real estate) and not working a 9 to 5.
30K? not so much.
This, I like. clever and not too reminiscent of previous thread titles.
Wow we've got 2 October surprises. Any idea what this case is about?
Byakuya769
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PoliGAF |OT5| Well, we also have fewer horses, bayonets, and Kosmos.
The only reason it would make any logical sense to bring up the divorce would be if there was something in the documents that makes Barack look just awful. I don't think anything like that is in there though, so I don't see a reason to even bring it up. Romney would have to counter it by helping to defend Obama, and even with that it would likely help the President than hurt him at all.
So either something damning is in the documents about Obama, or Trump is a moron.
We all know it's the latter.
So either something damning is in the documents about Obama, or Trump is a moron.
We all know it's the latter.
MasterShotgun
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PoliGAF 2012 |OT5| 2 more weeks! 2 more weeks!
I'm saying 80% chance to vote seems really fucking low for someone that's doing pretty goddamned well. I mean I really don't get how we can fall below ~70% turnout in general, but if you're making enough to be well off it seems especially weird not to take the small amount of time to learn things and get over and vote one day every couple years.
vicissitudes
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Or maybe those with higher incomes are generally more educated and well-informed, and thus more likely to vote.
There's no conspiracy here.
ryutaro's mama
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If something damning was in the the documents, that shit would have appeared 4 years ago.
Manmademan
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yeah. that analysis falls apart when you realize that Trump himself does not make logical sense. Trump is not invested in the Republican party's success or failure. Trump is only interested in people talking about Trump.
which is why he's drawing out his "surprise" instead of just releasing it.
Are you serious? 80% participation rate is high as hell. the country as a whole was only 60% in 2008, which was a high water mark for voter turnout. it's usually way less IIRC.
As for the additional 20%? some people just don't give a shit, or don't have the ability to comprehend how politics affects them personally. Daddy dies and leaves you a gigantic trust fund, or you win $50 million in the lottery, do you REALLY care who is president? How many people on your facebook feed post inane nonsense like "they're all the same, voting is pointless" or "all politicians are crooks, I never vote"? Politics doesn't intrude on their day to day lives, and they'd rather concentrate on things that are more immediate to them.
NullPointer
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PoliGAF 2012 |OT5| An Ancient Enemy Awakens
All this October surprise talk, so its all petty bullshit eh? I don't think anybody has the patience for this crap. Its the age of the internet, so every tiny little thing has already run its course as a scandal in various echo chambers.
All this October surprise talk, so its all petty bullshit eh? I don't think anybody has the patience for this crap. Its the age of the internet, so every tiny little thing has already run its course as a scandal in various echo chambers.
Basically this...McCain and company would've gone to the rafters screaming about this if there was something there.
In other news, the "Whitey" tape is also about to be released.
Mercury Fred
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No idea, maybe he was trying to make one of his maids a sisterwife?
Or maybe they have more time to go and vote? If this isn't the case why not make it a national holiday?
Black Republican
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ABC/Wapo
Romney 49 - Obama 48
Romney 49 - Obama 48
Sirpopopop
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It's fine to use the paperless DREs for disabled voters, if they are in fact using paperless DREs for disabled voters. It's an extremely small demographic.
It's not anything to worry about, at all. As far as I can tell, there's nothing to indicate that these machines aren't also attached with VVPATs. As the recent VV report notes, all of Ohio's voting seems to be done by either paper ballots or machines equipped with VVPAT.
Romney gained a point and Obama lost a point.
Manmademan
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so..statistical noise then.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Is it possible Romney will show a popular vote lead in the 538 nowcast.
There's the debate bump - for Romney.
PhoenixDark
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Seems safe to say the second debate had no impact on the race, and Romney's momentum continues. Obama is now below 50% in nearly every national tracker. Pretty sure incumbents don't win like that
If this is the same on Monday, the election is over
If this is the same on Monday, the election is over
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