PoliGAF 2016 |OT8| No, Donald. You don't.

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GOP Rep. Richard Hanna: I'll vote for Clinton; first House member to cross party line

Can't wait to see Trump's reaction

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CCS said:
I wonder if Ryan and McConnell feel ashamed of what they're doing. I would hope that they do.
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No way. They've been Republicans for decades. They know exactly what the party supports and have been perfectly happy going along with it. The only thing that's problematic for them is that Trump doesn't use dogwhistles and so these guys have to constantly come out and distance themselves from his remarks. Aside from the constant annoyance of having to rebuke Trump, they have zero problems with everything else.


Also, off topic, but Cyan got promoted to admin? :O
 
Joe Shlabotnik said:
Clinton raised $90 mil for July, $58 mil on hand.
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For reference, source is an email Clinton just sent out:
Timothy, July was a terrific month for our campaign. We welcomed Tim Kaine to our ticket. We put on a convention in Philadelphia that showed the nation our team, our values, and how proud we are to stand with Hillary. And it was a GREAT month for fundraising -- in fact, our best 24 hours ever started on the night Hillary accepted the nomination.

Our average contribution in July was just $44, and more than half of our donors last month were brand new to the campaign. Our team is getting bigger and more diverse every day, and this is still the first and only presidential campaign in history where a majority of donors are women. Together, we’re smashing glass ceilings and breaking down the barriers that hold Americans back from reaching our full potential.

Because of this team, we raised nearly $90 million in July -- and we head into August with $58 million on hand to take on Donald Trump, register and turn out as many voters as possible, and win this election.
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Joe Shlabotnik said:
Clinton raised $90 mil for July, $58 mil on hand.
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YASSSS QUEEEN, WERKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

cartoon_soldier said:
http://www.syracuse.com/politics/in...y_clinton.html#incart_river_mobileshort_index

GOP Rep. Richard Hanna: I'll vote for Clinton; first House member to cross party line

Can't wait to see Trump's reaction

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Oblivion said:
No way. They've been Republicans for decades. They know exactly what the party supports and have been perfectly happy going along with it. The only thing that's problematic for them is that Trump doesn't use dogwhistles and so these guys have to constantly come out and distance themselves from his remarks. Aside from the constant annoyance of having to rebuke Trump, they have zero problems with everything else.


Also, off topic, but Cyan got promoted to admin? :O
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It probably is too much to hope for human decency from them, but I live in eternal hope that I will be surprised :P
 
CNN still hyping PA as being up for grabs.

Are Clinton's people seriously worried? This state is not going red. Hillary will likely win by 4-5 points. There may even be some white people (likely women) here in western PA who didn't vote for Obama because of race, who will vote for Hillary without a problem. It sucks, but that's how things are around here sometimes.
 
CCS said:
Interesting that suggests that over 25% of Trump voters would be ashamed to have him as president. Guess that covers a lot of Ryan types who know how awful he is but don't have the courage not to vote for him.

I wonder if Ryan and McConnell feel ashamed of what they're doing. I would hope that they do.

I couldn't do what they're doing. Imagine looking back when you're old and your life is almost over, knowing that you supported a man like Trump because you didn't have the spine to say no. I know I would not be able to bear knowing I had such a shameful act on my conscience.
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This makes me wonder if we'll see an "ABANDON SHIP!" dynamic as we approach Election Day with polls showing him losing.

If you're someone who doesn't want the stain of voting for Trump on your soul, and it looks like such a vote would be futile, I wonder if - when they get to that moment in the booth - some find themselves unable to pull the lever for him.

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the first thing I saw on TV this morning? Morning Joe and his panel expressing absolute bewilderment at Trump's continued refusal to get a data/ground game going. Trump says he'll win via "speeches + Twitter;" Joe compared it to an athlete who preps for the Olympics by playing Xbox.
 
Trump said at his rally last night that his average donation was $69 with Hillary is at $44.


HylianTom said:
This makes me wonder if we'll see an "ABANDON SHIP!" dynamic as we approach Election Day with polls showing him losing.

If you're someone who doesn't want the stain of voting for Trump on your soul, and it looks like such a vote would be futile, I wonder if - when they get to that moment in the booth - some find themselves unable to pull the lever for him.

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the first thing I saw on TV this morning? Morning Joe and his panel expressing absolute bewilderment at Trump's continued refusal to get a data/ground game going. Trump says he'll win via "speeches + Twitter;" Joe compared it to an athlete who preps for the Olympics by playing Xbox.
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Rigged. Election.
 
Diablos said:
CNN still hyping PA as being up for grabs.

Are Clinton's people seriously worried? This state is not going red. Hillary will likely win by 4-5 points. There may even be some white people (likely women) here in western PA who didn't vote for Obama because of race, who will vote for Hillary without a problem. It sucks, but that's how things are around here sometimes.
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What do you think Cnn is going to say? It's over?
 
HylianTom said:
This makes me wonder if we'll see an "ABANDON SHIP!" dynamic as we approach Election Day with polls showing him losing.

If you're someone who doesn't want the stain of voting for Trump on your soul, and it looks like such a vote would be futile, I wonder if - when they get to that moment in the booth - some find themselves unable to pull the lever for him.

Aside:
the first thing I saw on TV this morning? Morning Joe and his panel expressing absolute bewilderment at Trump's continued refusal to get a data/ground game going. Trump says he'll win via "speeches + Twitter;" Joe compared it to an athlete who preps for the Olympics by playing Xbox.
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Particularly if we do start to see a movement of senior Republicans openly endorsing Clinton/un-endorsing Trump. That sends both a strong message that it is okay not to vote for him and also suggests that doing so may well be futile. I guess we'll see.
 
Priorities raised $14.5 million in July, but unknown how much they spent. They entered July with $41.5 million though.

Clinton's $90 million raised with $58 million on hand implies the campaign spent about $76 million in July.

Pro-Trump Super PACs only had $2.3 million on hand entering July. (lol)
 
cartoon_soldier said:
http://www.syracuse.com/politics/in...y_clinton.html#incart_river_mobileshort_index

GOP Rep. Richard Hanna: I'll vote for Clinton; first House member to cross party line

Can't wait to see Trump's reaction
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Not going to be the last.

The fight against Trump so far has been in the "death by a thousand cuts" phase. The war against the Khans will cause his polls to drop further, and the reality of his blocked electoral map is starting to set in.

The GOP has stuck by him on the premise that maybe he is not just dead weight. The Khan business, like the Curiel business, is toxic enough to drag the party down with him. That, combined with an inability to win, combined to a lesser extent with his personal moral repugnance, is a recipe for a broken party.

40% is what Trump can do with the nominal if half-hearted backing of the GOP. If congressmen start publicly abandoning him he won't even be able to get that far.

There is no guarantee we will even get to that point, but I think Trump is already dangerously close. If he keeps falling things should transition to the "scattered, broken, and desperate GOP" phase of the race.
 
Hillary is gonna be spending like crazy all through the election. Her campaign, her superPAC, the DNC, are gonna burn thru their fundraising. I hope the money keeps coming in. I know it should, but I have a little fear there.
 
metalslimer said:
If Trump is down massively near the end of October I imagine any GOP official in a swing position will abandon him.
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If he is massively down in September the question is will he ride it out and suffer the loss or would he take his ball going home leaving the Republicans to find some one else last second.
 
CCS said:
Particularly if we do start to see a movement of senior Republicans openly endorsing Clinton/un-endorsing Trump. That sends both a strong message that it is okay not to vote for him and also suggests that doing so may well be futile. I guess we'll see.
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They'd be really convenient for scapegoating when Trump loses. He'd be able to point at them and rage.

It'd be such a pity if recriminations and finger-pointing left a deep gash in the party..
 
Just think though. Hillary is tapping out all her donors now. Trump will have a great ocean in which to fish during September and October while Hillary will be begging Wall Street for another dime. Sad!
 
KMS said:
If he is massively down in September the question is will he ride it out and suffer the loss or would he take his ball going home leaving the Republicans to find some one else last second.
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There is only one option in Trump's little mind.

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CCS said:
Particularly if we do start to see a movement of senior Republicans openly endorsing Clinton/un-endorsing Trump. That sends both a strong message that it is okay not to vote for him and also suggests that doing so may well be futile. I guess we'll see.
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His base is so tied in the psychology of winning that I imagine it is particularly susceptible to being demoralized if he gets defined as a loser. It may be doubly so since they're targeting these supposed "missing" white voters, who are loosely motivated at best. Those guys aren't going to turn out for a loser, either.
 
Reddit is trying to start a thing where Trump has ties to NAMBLA and one good way he could shut it all down is to release his tax returns.

The problem, I guess, for me, is that Trump is a lot of disgusting things, but I never really got the pedo vibe.
 
KMS said:
If he is massively down in September the question is will he ride it out and suffer the loss or would he take his ball going home leaving the Republicans to find some one else last second.
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Is getting a name on the ballot nationwide even possible at that point? Wouldn't it have to be a write-in? And once again, who would even decide who it would be? Priebus? Would it automatically fall to Pence? I don't think Trump would ever quit, but I could imagine him sulking at Mar-a-Lago, like Achilles in his tent.
 
Hillary and team should be starting a swift and massive campaign to tie every single Rep seat to Trump's Kahn problem. Disavowing isn't enough -- they need to do what they did with Romney but sooner and faster. Not until then will you see "abandon ship."
 
PantherLotus said:
Hillary and team should be starting a swift and massive campaign to tie every single Rep seat to Trump's Kahn problem. Disavowing isn't enough -- they need to do what they did with Romney but sooner and faster. Not until then will you see "abandon ship."
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This has got to be the goal. Make sure that every Republican in a contestable seat either has to abandon ship or goes down with it.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
Reddit is trying to start a thing where Trump has ties to NAMBLA and one good way he could shut it all down is to release his tax returns.

The problem, I guess, for me, is that Trump is a lot of disgusting things, but I never really got the pedo vibe.
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He just likes playing touch butt with his daughter on stage.
 
PantherLotus said:
Hillary and team should be starting a swift and massive campaign to tie every single Rep seat to Trump's Kahn problem. Disavowing isn't enough -- they need to do what they did with Romney but sooner and faster. Not until then will you see "abandon ship."
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Kos had an article yesterday about Senate dems doing exactly that. Hopefully it's effective.
 
HylianTom said:
This makes me wonder if we'll see an "ABANDON SHIP!" dynamic as we approach Election Day with polls showing him losing.

If you're someone who doesn't want the stain of voting for Trump on your soul, and it looks like such a vote would be futile, I wonder if - when they get to that moment in the booth - some find themselves unable to pull the lever for him.

Aside:
the first thing I saw on TV this morning? Morning Joe and his panel expressing absolute bewilderment at Trump's continued refusal to get a data/ground game going. Trump says he'll win via "speeches + Twitter;" Joe compared it to an athlete who preps for the Olympics by playing Xbox.
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I would imagine it's going to start happening sooner rather than later.

Trump is already publicly admitting that he lost. He's making excuses why he lost by stating that the election is rigged against him, and reflecting on his campaign as if it was over ('it took guts', 'I could be home enjoying a nice life instead of being here').
 
Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
I would imagine it's going to start happening sooner rather than later.

Trump is already publicly admitting that he lost. He's already making excuses why he lost by stating that the election is rigged against him, and reflecting on his campaign as if it was over ('it took guts', 'I could be home enjoying a nice life instead of being here').
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September will be the shift to Johnson and down ballot
 
gcubed said:
He's not very good at punditry, he should really stop
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Nate Silver might have trolled himself into a hole by ignoring the numbers on Trump for months, but he did correctly call North Carolina going blue for the first time in 8 years! 538 is BACK
 
So now that Trump has put the pedal fully on the crazy train, have views of Cruz softened?

Cruz was correct in what he said, but now that everything on the Trump train is falling apart, maybe it's time Cruz comes back and says "I told you so"
 
balladofwindfishes said:
So now that Trump has put the pedal fully on the crazy train, have views of Cruz softened?

Cruz was correct in what he said, but now that everything on the Trump train is falling apart, maybe it's time Cruz comes back and says "I told you so"
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i told you so approach won't work with these voters. it'll just make them more angry. needs to come at them with "i understand why, now let's finish blah blah..."
 
Oh god, I had a realization listening to the radio this morning and hearing Trump's comments about the election being rigged

Whether or not there was a "rigged" election is going to be the next thing the House wastes a ton of time and money investigating and holding hearings for isn't it
 
Geg said:
Oh god, I had a realization listening to the radio this morning and hearing Trump's comments about the election being rigged

Whether or not there was a "rigged" election is going to be the next thing the House wastes a ton of time and money investigating and holding hearings for isn't it
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Most people in the GOP establishment want Trump to go away and won't entertain his ranting. I think. I hope. I pray.
 
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