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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love

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Obviously as a parliamentary system it's the coalitions you need to be looking at, rather than the absolute position of the parties, and the SPD plus their traditional partners are looking at the pole position.
 
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Fun fact: the US has had a coalition government once, in the 1917-1918. The Democrats had only 214 seats to the Republicans 216, but the Progressives had three seats and the Socialists had one so they formed a coalition with the more labor-friendly Democrats. As a response, the Socialists and Progressives died and the Farmer-Labor party that eventually became the DFL was born during that term.
 
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chadskin said:
New president gets elected tomorrow by a Federal Assembly, made up of all members of the national parliament as well as an equal amount of members sent by the 16 state parliaments. Since the two largest parties decided on a joint candidate, it's all but guaranteed that former foreign minister Steinmeier will win the election and replace Joachim Gauck as the head of state.

As for the parliamentary election in September, this Emnid poll was just released:

CDU/CSU 33% (center-right)
SPD 32% (center-left)
AfD 10% (far-right)
Linke 8% (far-left)
Grüne 7% (center/far-left)
FDP 6% (center-right)
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The AfD was far-right in the beginning, but they've since been taken over by neo-nazis.

Edit: And the FDP are libertarians, they want to privatize social security, are for a flat-tax and spineless shits that were for marriage equality but voted against it once in the government. So just like their buddies in the US.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
This guy just fucking whines about everything.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/830552079240409089
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The one thing that he valued most was the Trump name and he has succeeded in making it poisonous. Regardless of whether Ivanka's products weren't selling or whether they were removed for political reasons, DJT is solely responsible for turning the Trump brand from something that people has some sort of respect for into something that is toxic and associated with white nationalism and misogyny. Such is life, sometimes when the patriarch of a family is an utter clown, the blow back hits their kids.
 
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Chaffetz Said He Believes Town Hall Protestors Were Paid, Not From Utah

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said that the thousands of protestors who swarmed his town hall on Thursday night were not actually from his state and were "paid" to protest, the Deseret News reported Friday.

Chaffetz told the paper that he was sure that the protestors, who chanted "shame!" and grilled him on investigating President Donald Trump, were Democrats and that they were trying to cause "chaos" because they don't like Trump and are upset about the results of the 2016 election.
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kadotsu said:
Social Democrats are gaining, Christ Democrats are down slightly. The far right populist party is around 12%. The new social democrat chancellor candidate has excited the base. There is no sign of a self sabotaging government coming to power like in the UK, France or the US.
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There's no sign of a self sabotaging government coming to power in France if you are referring to Le Pen. She's still down like thirty points in a lot of polls for the second round against the new frontrunner in the race.
 
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NK finally tested their ICBM.

The first outside crisis in the Trump administration! This is going to go very badly.

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There's no sign of a self sabotaging government coming to power in France if you are referring to Le Pen. She's still down like thirty points in a lot of polls for the second round against the new frontrunner in the race.
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I mean, who knows if Macron is hit by a scandal bomb though.

He's barely been vetted at all it seems like.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
NK finally tested their ICBM.

The first outside crisis in the Trump administration! This is going to go very badly.



I mean, who knows if Macron is hit by a scandal bomb though.

He's barely been vetted at all it seems like.
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If Macron somewhow gets hit by a scandal bomb french voters will support someone else to block Le Pen from getting anywere near the Elysee Palace.
 
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JesseEwiak said:
Trump could be down to 30% in polling, but people are going to respond, "but the polls were wrong on Election Day!"
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Trump and the republicans are pretty much in grave danger of losing in 2018 and 2020 if polls start showing his approval in the 30's. It's kinda hard to find a way to excuse his approval rating if it ever reached that low.
 
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On the other hand we've already seen that republicans don't seem to be willing to punish Trump even if they despise him. Even in the 30s, is there any realistic hope of doing anything besides defending the votes we already have?

Here at DNC forum, people in audience who applaud eliminating superdelegates stay silent when eliminating caucuses comes up
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Let's keep the thing that disenfranchises key segments of the base of the party!!! WOO!!
 
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Instead of getting rid of caucuses the DNC should make them worth less in democratic presidential primaries so presidential candidates have to get used to the voting system used in presidential elections.
 
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B-Dubs said:
I wonder why? If we're going to do one we should also do the other since they have the exact same issue of giving a small number of people a large amount of power.
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Even worse when the superdelegates have yet to wield any real power because they have never overturned the popular vote. Considering they have already been lessened in number, SDs wouldn't even make my top 5 reform issues for 2020
 
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B-Dubs said:
I wonder why? If we're going to do one we should also do the other since they have the exact same issue of giving a small number of people a large amount of power.
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Because one allows the populist underdog to take some states by packing bingo halls with people who yell really loud and the other steals elections duh even though it has never stolen an election and in fact exists solely to make sure the Dems have a clear winner going into the Convention so there isn't a faction war that breaks out there...

Sorry just needed to rant

Just lol.
 
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excelsiorlef said:
Because one allows the populist underdog to take some states by packing bingo halls with people who yell really loud and the other steals elections duh even though it has never stolen an election and in fact exists solely to make sure the Dems have a clear winner going into the Convention so there isn't a faction war that breaks out there...

Sorry just needed to rant

Just lol.
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John Edwards' affair getting out is THEmodern D example of something they're there to intervene w/. (But of course, 18-25ers might not even f'n remember him!)
 
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TheWasTheJoke said:
My hot take is that the US and RoK will be occupying the North within two years.
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I can't see China being okay with that. And any scenario where the US and South Korea are occupying NK probably means Seoul has been flatten, maybe even some Japanese cities.

Let's just hope the Trump administration continues the long lasting practice of ignoring North Korea's threats and missile launches, because if not, World War 3 is going to be knocking at our doors.
 
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B-Dubs said:
I wonder why? If we're going to do one we should also do the other since they have the exact same issue of giving a small number of people a large amount of power.
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You're not wrong. Problem is there are plenty of Democrats out there who value hypocrisy just as much as their Republican brethren.

royalan said:
Frankly, if the voting members of the DNC were smart, they'd go for anyone BUT Perez or Ellison.

Either one of those guys gets it and it's going to be a bunch for fucking drama...
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Drama is precisely what we're going to wind up with because the party is dysfunctional at its roots.
And this will inevitably benefit Trump and the Republican loons who will gloat as it happens.

royalan said:
I like Mayor Pete the more he speaks.

Doesn't have a chance, though.
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Pete Buttgieg is the kind of Democrat you guys need more of.
 
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Buttigeg has better things to do than DNC chair. Ellison really feels like the no brainer pick because he's kind of maxed out his position and I'm worried if he doesn't get it people are going to be upset, and I kind of wouldn't blame them.
 
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Carpe Libertatem said:
Weird, I always thought that Keith Eillison was basically the Hillary Clinton of the DNC election
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It's interesting how "we should never anoint anyone ever" has an out clause that reads except if Bernie Sanders endorses them.

There was literally a Vox piece written that said Tom Perez shouldn't even run because it'll just piss of the Sanders camp who wants Ellison...
 
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Went to the local DNC reorg meeting today and I'm now officially on the Denver County Democratic Platform Committee. No one else in my district wanted the spot.

Shows how you don't have to be a socialite to get involved, you just have to show up.
 
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