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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair

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There's a big difference between a ban on Muslim travelers, which has a built-in constituency in ICE (which exists to persecute immigrants) and targets a group of people who intrinsically have no power base in America, and a ban on transgender service in the military, which cuts against a lot of military values and targets people who are currently serving and thus their fellow servicepeople. Basically, I think it's easier in today's America to stigmatize Muslims than transgender soldiers.

Also, Trump got a lot of help with the travel ban from the fact that he explicitly campaigned on it and thus people could rationalize it as being the will of the American people.

Also, of course, it doesn't help that he burned a lot of bridges by explicitly saying Nazis are fine people.
None of this really

None of this address the standards of strict scrutiny or any legal argument

It must be justified by a compelling governmental interest. While the Courts have never brightly defined how to determine if an interest is compelling, the concept generally refers to something necessary or crucial, as opposed to something merely preferred. Examples include national security, preserving the lives of a large number of individuals, and not violating explicit constitutional protections.
Trump stated his view on this.

Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming.....
....victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail.
Gonna be very difficult for a judge after a year of service and no enlisting of openly transgender troops to just flatly say trump is wrong. This is the strongest point to attack but trump hasn't been as blatantly hateful hear like he was with the muslim ban

The law or policy must be narrowly tailored to achieve that goal or interest. If the government action encompasses too much (overbroad) or fails to address essential aspects of the compelling interest, then the rule is not considered narrowly tailored.
Seems pretty "narrowly tailored" to me. It only affects the people trump claims might cause issues (Again this argument is dubious and wrong, but again a judge doesn't want to second guess the military).

The law or policy must be the least restrictive means for achieving that interest: there must not be a less restrictive way to effectively achieve the compelling government interest. The test will be met even if there is another method that is equally the least restrictive. Some legal scholars consider this "least restrictive means" requirement part of being narrowly tailored, but the Court generally evaluates it separately.
Lets say you did think transgender troops would disrupt the military. How would you make it any more tailored that trump did? He gave the generals wide discretion in how to treat the current troops who will probably be allowed to stay. He didn't have a hard and fast timeline like the muslim ban.

I think the transgender troop ban is horrible policy, morally repulsive but I'm not sure that he doesn't have the power. And this tendency to pray the courts save us with creative but rather unpersuasive legal arguments.

The fact is the law doesn't protect transpeople like it should. Republicans are preventing it from doing that. That's were the work should be. To establish a legal basis for protections. We need federal anti-discrimination laws for LGBT communities.

This is why I said the ACLU seems to have the better approach. Its trying to undermine the first point by saying its just animus. The amount of evidence for this is underwhelming IMO though. It points to the Open Service Directive (which the Trump administration will argue was wrong) and news reports.

I hope I'm wrong. I just don't think this case is very strong.
 
Me: YAY HUGE PICKUP OPPORTUNITY

Also me: This is very bad for the republic.
Going to predict Flake loses his primary while Heller barely survives.

Both Ward (or whoever the nominee in AZ is) and Heller go down in flames in the general election.

Really hope McCaskill and Donnelly are ready to bring it. Bringing the Senate up to a tie with Collins and Murkowski still hanging around probably throttles Trump's agenda for good and sets us up for an outright win in 2020.

Edit: Wondering now if there will be any serious efforts to oust GOP House members in primaries with more extreme, less electable candidates. Congresspeople are more anonymous, but as we saw with Cantor there may yet be some surprises.
 

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Another incumbent GOP Senator trailing a teabagger challenge hard, according to JMC Analytics. This time it's Flake.

Kelli Ward 47
Jeff Flake 21

http://winwithjmc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Arizona-Senate-Executive-Summary.pdf

This is on the heels of their poll showing Dean Heller losing to Danny Tarkanian 39-31 in a primary in Nevada.

The funny thing about this of course is that trump tweeted about Ward without any idea of who she was, but his horde (Hannity, etc.) saw it as an endorsement and ran with it. Then smarter people informed trump that ward is a terrible candidate so he had to start damage control, such as not allowing her signs at the recent Arizona rally.
 
Not really ... it's a response to Cohen's bullshit excuse. He can't say Sater was just being boisterous if he followed through after the fact.

EDIT: Ohhh I see I should have read like two posts down.

Weak as in it just confirms they're fucking liars.

Also:

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Michael Cohen did indeed email Putin flak Peskov...at a general email addy equivalent to the [email protected]. Not Peskov's email.

THESE GUYS ARE GENIUSES
 
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Trump's dilemma within his government right now (or one of them) - he is said to be livid w both Cohn and Tillerson. But Cohn is face 1/

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2/ of their tax plan, so he is reluctant to make a change. Tillerson he's also angry at. And some advisers tell Trump he looks weak by ...

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3/ ... not taking action against Cabinet appointees or senior team members who have been critical.

Looks like Rex is long for this world and Cohn isn't going to sniff that fed chair job. The petulance from Trump isn't surprising anymore but still head shake worthy.
 
The fact is the law doesn't protect transpeople like it should. Republicans are preventing it from doing that. That's were the work should be. To establish a legal basis for protections. We need federal anti-discrimination laws for LGBT communities.

This is why I said the ACLU seems to have the better approach. Its trying to undermine the first point by saying its just animus. The amount of evidence for this is underwhelming IMO though. It points to the Open Service Directive (which the Trump administration will argue was wrong) and news reports.

I hope I'm wrong. I just don't think this case is very strong.

The problem with not going through the courts is that laws can just be repealed, more easily than judgements can be overruled by future courts.
 

Zolo

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The funny thing about this of course is that trump tweeted about Ward without any idea of who she was, but his horde (Hannity, etc.) saw it as an endorsement and ran with it. Then smarter people informed trump that ward is a terrible candidate so he had to start damage control, such as not allowing her signs at the recent Arizona rally.

Not really familiar with this race but are they trying to stop Ward because she would get smoked in the general?
 
Not really familiar with this race but are they trying to stop Ward because she would get smoked in the general?
I don't know about any actions being taken one way or the other (I think McConnell's SuperPAC got involved for Flake?), but the problem is no one really wants Flake either. Conservatives want a different challenger than Ward who would almost certainly lose in the general election, but none of the good AZ Republican candidates seem that excited to jump in. They might be waiting to replace McCain if anything.
 
Arise, Sinema. Arise.
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The problem with not going through the courts is that laws can just be repealed, more easily than judgements can be overruled by future courts.

I would argue this is the opposite in the vast vast majority of cases.

This is a distortion of media coverage of the courts. They are loathed to overrule democratically chosen laws
 
Then he goes on "any questions for the president" points to the PM for finland.

repeats himself, more aggressively each time.

Dude cant handle questions on russia he gets pissed and starts to panic.
 
he just said the Ratings for the hurricane were poor?

then proceeded to say it was unfair for negative press to go against aapraio before the election and thats why he lost.....


ayfkm


this muther fucka is reachin'.

how deep down did they dig for this, is it all from jones? christ this is sad
 

tbm24

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Lol Trump is really going through of list of who Obama commuted to justify his bullshit. And accusing Obama of manipulating the federal court?
 
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