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[SpeedingUptoStop]

Plus Iraq is becoming a non-issue seeing how it's practically set in stone we'll be out by 2012.

....isn't this closer to what Obama wanted, rather than McCain?

 

[speculawyer]

The hell?

Anyway, Holy fuck at this raging republican woman on CNN.

'She has infinitely more experience than Obama has'
' Obama has zip, zilch, Nada'
'Foreign policy experience? She has a son in Iraq'
'She is absolutely ready to be President'

There's nothing more entertaining than seeing these shills make complete idiots of themselves over the next couple months, by being forced to spout this BS.

WTF? I'm a foreign policy expert since my DVD player is from China and my shirt is from VietNam.

 

[Suikoguy]

Palin on Iraq, or energy independence, or something -

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/08/palin_on_iraq.php

policy wonks everywhere are captivated by her grasp on the issue. whatever that issue may be.

Something about having a plan.. or something

 

[scorcho]

I'm using a stupid argument against another, that's all.

truth be told, most of what you've written in these threads have been elementary. i do like the 'i've volunteered for both campaigns so i know a lot' angle as a way to augment your detailed knowledge of soundbite punditry though.

 

[Tarazet]

Funny the media is playing the when McCain dies she will not be ready for foreign policy spin....With the Dems, no one has to die for us to be unprepared to deal with foreign policy!!

You have an inexperienced person with a clear diplomatic vision, and then you have an experienced and well-documented reactionary bridge-burning blowhard with a HUGE temper. Sorry, that doesn't hold water.

 

[UltimaKilo]

No, Obama's stance is that the surge hasn't accomplished what it was supposed to do in the first place: accomplish political progress in Iraq. Reducing violence is only a means to that end.

Read what I wrote above. Stupid argument v stupid argument.

 

[grandjedi6]

Ah yes, only Obama can use that excuse. Then McCain will say "Obama was wrong about the surge and won't admit it worked" while as always, Obama will have no answer. Plus Iraq is becoming a non-issue seeing how it's practically set in stone we'll be out by 2012. Oh, and wasn't Biden wrong about Iraq?!!! Guess he doesn't have the judgment to be VP! Wait... but Obama picked him so does that mean Obama has no judgment or experience?! :lol

http://www.236.com/video/2008/get_your_war_on_the_surge_8423.php

 

[Gaborn]

I didn't say how far above

I'm not sure a fake image trying to portray an extra level of partisanship to appease a particular audience IS "above" outright lying or trolling. Just my opinion though.

 

[DancingJesus]

I'm sorry but this pair doesn't seem "Presidential" in any sense.

It looks more like she's either his daughter or she's a golddigger dating a millionaire.

This decision is only political to try to woo women voters still upset over Hillary.

Talk about a clusterfuck of a decision....

Two of his daughters are older than her.


Anywho when does the convention begin?

 

[speculawyer]

Does Palin even have a Foreign Policy opinion yet?

She's been too busy with polar bears or something.

Yes, but many of those polar bears are from Canada. :lol

 

[adamsappel]

Since laserbeam can't be tasked to answer honestly...

She's under investigation for a wrongful firing that may or may not involve abuse of her powers. No strong evidence has turned up, and the investigation is ongoing.

I don't like executive abuse of power either, but if the mitigating circumstances turn out to be true (beating her sister, tasering his own kid and threatening to murder the family), it's going to be hard to paint her in a bad light for doing what the cops should have done immediately.

 

[Zeliard]

Not yet - I'll warm up to him a little better if he can manage to avoid the fucking grand canyon sized gaffe potential that lies in him attack dogging Palin. Remind me again after the debates.

I'm never going to really warm up to him completely due to our differences, but that'd be a start.

Yeah, the Palin debates could be rough. Not in terms of content, since Biden is certainly more well-versed than Palin in a variety of issues and he is not a poor debater, but just in terms of Biden being Biden and Palin being a woman. That's basically what it boils down to. It'll be like the "Obama can't appear to bully Hillary" talk times 5, since Biden is involved.

I think Biden will find the right balance as VP, though, ultimately. With great power comes great responsibility, and that's what it takes for some people.

Who was your #1 choice for Dem veep, out of curiosity?

 

[UltimaKilo]

truth be told, most of what you've written in these threads have been elementary. i do like the 'i've volunteered for both campaigns so i know a lot' angle as a way to augment your detailed knowledge of soundbite punditry though.

If I recall correctly, someone asked if there was someone who worked in politics and I responded with my internship for the Obama campaign in FL and working for the McCain campaign during the primaries. I don't ever remember saying "I know a lot because I worked for both campaigns."

 

[The Librarian]

Two of his daughters are older than her.


Anywho when does the convention begin?

This Monday I think.

 

[thekad]

Ah yes, only Obama can use that excuse. Then McCain will say "Obama was wrong about the surge and won't admit it worked" while as always, Obama will have no answer.

Obama has continuously answered that the surge along with many other factors resulted in a reduction of violence in Iraq. Whether the end result would be any different without the surge is up for debate. It's not as simple as "the surge worked."

Plus Iraq is becoming a non-issue seeing how it's practically set in stone we'll be out by 2012. Oh, and wasn't Biden wrong about Iraq?!!! Guess he doesn't have the judgment to be VP! Wait... but Obama picked him so does that mean Obama has no judgment or experience?! :lol

Except Biden would not have gone to Iraq knowing what he knows now. McCain would.

Would you?

 

[grandjedi6]

“I don’t think it’s a short resume. She first ran for office back in 1992. I don’t know what Senator Obama was doing then, but the first time she ran was 1992. That’s 16 years. I think that’s a pretty, pretty event-filled and record-filled resume. -- McCain

http://thepage.time.com/the-palins-and-mccains-talk-with-people-magazine/

Hard to swallow that logic, hmm

 

[besada]

I don't like executive abuse of power either, but if the mitigating circumstances turn out to be true (beating her sister, tasering his own kid and threatening to murder the family), it's going to be hard to paint her in a bad light for doing what the cops should have done immediately.

I agree. I just don't think a reasonable answer to someone asking about the situation is to pretend it doesn't exist.

 

[The Librarian]

http://thepage.time.com/the-palins-and-mccains-talk-with-people-magazine/

Hard to swallow that logic, hmm

Oh McCain...

 

[scorcho]

to say that the surge is the only or even the biggest factor at reducing the violence in Iraq is also giving way to little credit to the awakening/SoI (something which i was and still am very skeptical about).

 

[Macam]

truth be told, most of what you've written in these threads have been elementary. i do like the 'i've volunteered for both campaigns so i know a lot' angle as a way to augment your detailed knowledge of soundbite punditry though.

Elementary? You're giving UltimateKilo too much credit.

 

[reilo]

http://thepage.time.com/the-palins-and-mccains-talk-with-people-magazine/

Hard to swallow that logic, hmm

Yeah, Obama was only teaching constitutional law at one of the best universities in the world. What does he know about government?

 

[CharlieDigital]

policy wonks everywhere are captivated by her grasp on the issue. whatever that issue may be.

:lol awesome

 

[eclipze]

Murphy from the PUMA's is on Hardball with 2 other republicans females. :lol

 

[Zeliard]

http://thepage.time.com/the-palins-and-mccains-talk-with-people-magazine/

Hard to swallow that logic, hmm

I love this:

Gov. Palin, who is still nursing her son, tells PEOPLE she’s used to multi-tasking: “What I’ve had to do, though, is in the middle of the night, put down the Blackberries and pick up the breast pump. Do a couple of things different and still get it all done.”

She's a multi-tasker, folks. A blackberry in one hand, and a breast pump in the other. Who says she's not ready to be the Vice President of the United States?

 

[SEGA SAMMY]

McCain and Palin represent Fiscal reformers. I don't see Biden embracing small government and reforming Washington. The Iraq war is far under 3% of spending, where as the bloated social spending is at 55% of total spending. It would be more fiscally plausible to see the small government REP ticket would handle the 55% more aggressively.

 

[The Librarian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHaKrC8K84A

^^Obama announces his candidacy for the White House back in Feb 10 '07. Haven't seen it before, so that's why I'm watching it.

 

[dynamitejim]

Palin on Iraq, or energy independence, or something -

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/08/palin_on_iraq.php

policy wonks everywhere are captivated by her grasp on the issue. whatever that issue may be.

Ouch. It would be hilarious if Biden just snubbed her during the VP debate, didn't address her at all or as little as possible, and treated the debate like an interview. She'll embarass her self enough without him piling on.

 

[speculawyer]

I answered honestly. Officially there has been no evidence of wrong doing and until a time where wrong doing is found she is innocent.

Oh . . . OK, I guess we'll never hear you mention Ayers, Rezko, etc. ever again. :lol

 

[reilo]

McCain and Palin represent Fiscal reformers. I don't see Biden embracing small government and reforming Washington. The Iraq war is far under 3% of spending, where as the bloated social spending is at 55% of total spending. It would be more fiscally plausible to see the small government REP ticket would handle the 55% more aggressively.

OH, LIKE GEORGE W BUSH HAS? Quit spewing bullshit.

 

[Suikoguy]

McCain and Palin represent Fiscal reformers. I don't see Biden embracing small government and reforming Washington. The Iraq war is far under 3% of spending, where as the bloated social spending is at 55% of total spending. It would be more fiscally plausible to see the small government REP ticket would handle the 55% more aggressively.

Did someone say "Fiscal Conservative" ?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

she's definately fuckable.

 

[Tamanon]

McCain and Palin represent Fiscal reformers. I don't see Biden embracing small government and reforming Washington. The Iraq war is far under 3% of spending, where as the bloated social spending is at 55% of total spending. It would be more fiscally plausible to see the small government REP ticket would handle the 55% more aggressively.

I think you might want to watch that "fiscal reformer" bit, considering she supports that socialism that so many fiscal conservatives bitch about.:lol Giving money to regular folks and taxing windfall profits of oil

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

to say that the surge is the only or even the biggest factor at reducing the violence in Iraq is also giving way to little credit to the awakening/SoI (something which i was and still am very skeptical about).

What gets me is the GOP talking points on how the surge is working. Maybe militarily, but politically?

 

[speculawyer]

No, you didn't. You didn't mention that she was under investigation at all, but instead deflected the question by talking about her policy regarding oil companies. If you think that's honest, we have different definitions of the word.

It is honest in GOP world where they found WMDs, Saddam was related 9/11, and Democrats are the fiscally irresponsible ones. :lol

 

[Stoney Mason]

http://thepage.time.com/the-palins-and-mccains-talk-with-people-magazine/

Hard to swallow that logic, hmm

Speaking of interviews did anyone catch this beauty yesterday.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1836909,00.html

 

[reilo]

Looks like Olbermann isn't holding any punches. He compared Palin to a Monty Python character off the bat.

 

[UltimaKilo]

Obama has continuously answered that the surge along with many other factors resulted in a reduction of violence in Iraq. Whether the end result would be any different without the surge is up for debate. It's not as simple as "the surge worked."



Except Biden would not have gone to Iraq knowing what he knows now. McCain would.

Would you?

I'm not making that argument, it was in jest to point out the ridiculous argument on the other side with experience. The thing is that partisan people are so blinded by their candidate that they don't see the good of the other or the bad of their own. Any argument you try to bring up, is quickly shot down because their candidate is superhuman, never wrong.

Or like relio and some others, they try to paint you a certain way. Oh kind of like McCain is Bush's 3rd term.

EDIT: I meant scorcho, not relio. Sorry!

 

[adamsappel]

I agree. I just don't think a reasonable answer to someone asking about the situation is to pretend it doesn't exist.

I saw your wiki link about the story on the last page. It seems a little more complicated than I thought, and the dismissal of sexual harassment allegations might hurt her with women voters as well.

 

[Hootie]

Uh-oh, Olbermann is already attacking Palin. This will be epic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHaKrC8K84A

^^Obama announces his candidacy for the White House back in Feb 10 '07. Haven't seen it before, so that's why I'm watching it.

Hahaha, noob!

 

[laserbeam]

Oh . . . OK, I guess we'll never hear you mention Ayers, Rezko, etc. ever again. :lol

Outside of saying the Ayers ad would be effective with certain subsets of people I have spoken of those people never.

It is honest in GOP world where they found WMDs, Saddam was related 9/11, and Democrats are the fiscally irresponsible ones. :lol

I personally feel there is no point in hammering someone with charges of wrong doing when there exists no such evidence at this point. Thats trying to get people assume she is guilty.

 

[Gaborn]

McCain and Palin represent Fiscal reformers. I don't see Biden embracing small government and reforming Washington. The Iraq war is far under 3% of spending, where as the bloated social spending is at 55% of total spending. It would be more fiscally plausible to see the small government REP ticket would handle the 55% more aggressively.

The biggest problem I have with the Iraq war is that it's never been budgeted honestly. If you're going to do a war (which I think you shouldn't do, I don't believe in preemptive war and interventionism) you should budget as much as possible of it within the Defense budget. That's how we ran Vietnam, WW2, Korea, WW1, and just about any other military action.

For Iraq by contrast, we're hiding a huge portion of it in supplemental spending bills:

 

[Bulla564]

McCain and Palin represent Fiscal reformers. I don't see Biden embracing small government and reforming Washington. The Iraq war is far under 3% of spending, where as the bloated social spending is at 55% of total spending. It would be more fiscally plausible to see the small government REP ticket would handle the 55% more aggressively.

Like Bush Sr, Bush, Regan, and every other "fiscal conservatives"?

Pllllease...

 

[TDG]

Smartedness!

 

[scorcho]

Or like relio and some others, they try to paint you a certain way. Oh kind of like McCain is Bush's 3rd term.

EDIT: I meant scorcho, not relio. Sorry!

maybe i can persuade by speaking to you in the parlance of our times - 'he's not change, just more of the same!'

 

[Karma Kramer]

I don't know how I feel about this pick. I think it depends entirely on how both campaign handle it.

The decision is clearly simply a tactical decision... whether the American people think this way... is up in the air.

We'll have to wait for the polls.

 

[grandjedi6]

Speaking of interviews did anyone catch this beauty yesterday.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1836909,00.html

God damn. It's like he's being held at gunpoint or secretly a robot replacement

 

[reilo]

Olbermann hammering Palin on the bridge to nowhere flip-flop.

 

[thekad]

I'm not making that argument, it was in jest to point out the ridiculous argument on the other side with experience. The thing is that partisan people are so blinded by their candidate that they don't see the good of the other or the bad of their own. Any argument you try to bring up, is quickly shot down because their candidate is superhuman, never wrong.

Or like relio and some others, they try to paint you a certain way. Oh kind of like McCain is Bush's 3rd term.

EDIT: I meant scorcho, not relio. Sorry!

First of all, scorcho is certainly not blinded by his love for Obama :lol

Secondly, arguing that Palin has less foreign policy expertise than both Obama and certainly Biden is not a ridiculous argument, far from it. Neither is arguing that McCain doesn't have the so-called judgement of a Barack Obama.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Smartedness!

When was that taken? The 25th of this month?

 

[Gaborn]

God damn. It's like he's being held at gunpoint or secretly a robot replacement

Al Gore-Bot with cosmetic surgery?