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[cartman414]

man Intel has seriously fallen off. and with software emulation, x86 isn't really a reason to pick architectures. and without x86, Intel is less and less attractive. I hear their hardware foundry technology, specifically chip packaging is leading edge, but this looks very bad for them. even AMD CPUs are taking them to the cleaners, with Intel only winning due to clock speed, which has additional heat and power consumption downsides

Hyperbole. Not an x86 stan, but ARM has yet to prove itself to be as, if not more performant, than upper tier Intel/AMD CPUs, whether or not at comparable power envelopes. And the Cortex X5 is rumored to be coming up short:

ARM’s Cortex-X5 Rumored To Be Underperforming, With High Power Surges And Low Multi-Core Scores Afflicting The Upcoming Core Design

A new rumor alleges that the Cortex-X5 is severely underperforming, with high power consumption and disappointing multi-core scores

wccftech.com

 

[Ar¢tos]

It’s actually quite good, just held back significantly by the underpowered 2019 era mobile phone Snapdragons they’ve been using in the past. This should see a major leap forward when the X elite chips land.

Funny how Windows is held back while neither Linux or BSD are to perform the same functions (at least not to the same extent).

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Funny how Windows is held back while neither Linux or BSD are to perform the same functions (at least not to the same extent).

Mac OS is pretty good on ARM too, although most apps of any significance are Apple Silicon native already

 

[Ozriel]

Funny how Windows is held back while neither Linux or BSD are to perform the same functions (at least not to the same extent).

You’ve tried running Adobe Creative suite apps on Linux on ARM, with great results?

Most of the ‘held back’ conversations in reviews are related to emulation performance of demanding non-native software. Not necessarily the stuff people run on Raspberry Pis

 

[Ozriel]

Mac OS is pretty good on ARM too, although most apps of any significance are Apple Silicon native already

Most of the heavy lifting comes from the power of the M series silicon, though Apple’s ability to get devs to pivot quickly to native apps is astounding.

Doesn’t hurt that they’ve moved to solely ARM now, unlike MS where the bulk of laptops will remain Intel/AMD for the next 3 years at a minimum. Desktops too.

 

[Drew1440]

This is the technology acquired when Qualcomm acquired the startup company Nuvia.

The founders of Nuvia are all ex-Apple chip design people, and presumably worked on Apple Silicon before jumping ship to found Nuvia.

What I'm saying is this is a big deal. x86 is decrepit and should have been replaced a decade ago or earlier. Getting PC's off x86 is good for everyone, except Intel, and honestly fuck Intel.

They already looking at removing 16bit and real modes from future processors, so there's progress being made at that front. But there's tons of 32bit software that many businesses rely on, it's not feasible for Microsoft or Intel to break that.

Also Microsoft can clearly code an efficient capable emulator, are we forgetting they were emulating a Pentium 3 on a PowerPC chip back in 2005?

 

[Ar¢tos]

Mac OS is pretty good on ARM too, although most apps of any significance are Apple Silicon native already

Not surprising, Mac OS is BSD based.

 

[Ar¢tos]

You’ve tried running Adobe Creative suite apps on Linux on ARM, with great results?

Most of the ‘held back’ conversations in reviews are related to emulation performance of demanding non-native software. Not necessarily the stuff people run on Raspberry Pis

Are you comparing emulation with native?...
Compare performance of apps with native windows and Linux/BSD versions, not windows with emulated/compatibility layered windows.

 

[Hugare]

I got an AYN Odin 2 with Snapdragon Gen 2 and I'm super impressed by it

It can run Alien Isolation at PC High settings at 60 fps. Looks like a PS4 game in your hands (it looks better than the PS4 version, tbf)

It also can run PS2/GC/Wii games upscaled 3x and Switch games on docked mode no problem

And that's a Gen 2 chip. Gen 3 is even more insane, and now this

Havent followed the phone chip market for a long time, and I'm baffled at how good it is right now, mainly due to Qualcomm is pushing tech like Nvidia does on the PC market

 

[StereoVsn]

They already looking at removing 16bit and real modes from future processors, so there's progress being made at that front. But there's tons of 32bit software that many businesses rely on, it's not feasible for Microsoft or Intel to break that.

Also Microsoft can clearly code an efficient capable emulator, are we forgetting they were emulating a Pentium 3 on a PowerPC chip back in 2005?

Yeah, there would be a huge outcry from business customers including large Enterprises if MS/Intel/AMD tried to completely go away from x86.

There is so much custom software everywhere that MS in particular would be suicidal to move. Yeah, a lot of applications are going to containers, web based deployment or even SaaS, it they doesn’t cover nearly enough and won’t for many years.

Microsoft will push ARM side more, but there is no chance they will stop x86 support.

 

[TrebleShot]

Coming to XBX when?

 

[ResilientBanana]

how will these processors emulate legacy code?

 

[Dr.D00p]

how will these processors emulate legacy code?

The same way Xbox One emulated the Xbox 360 PowerPc CPU....getting very clever people to work on the problem.

 

[ResilientBanana]

The same way Xbox One emulated the Xbox 360 PowerPc CPU....getting very clever people to work on the problem.

It’s different when you have a few hundred Xbox 360 games. But there 10’s of thousands of PC games which has nothing to do with Microsoft.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Not surprising, Mac OS is BSD based.

Darwin (operating system) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mac OS runs on the Darwin OS which is not Linux or BSD. While it does contain BSD code, in lineage it actually descends all the way from NeXTSTEP and is built on the Mach kernel which is also not the Linux or BSD kernels.

 

[Kazekage1981]

As garbage as UWP.

I think all apps are going PWA

 

[Kazekage1981]

Do you guys think that Windows laptops will get the camera upgrade desperately needed? Atleast as good as front facing latest Iphones and Androids?

 

[LordOfChaos]

Do you guys think that Windows laptops will get the camera upgrade desperately needed? Atleast as good as front facing latest Iphones and Androids?

No, it's largely a product of depth, even thin iPhones can contribute significantly more Z-depth to bigger cameras than a laptop screen.

The ISP could get better, but like we saw with Apple Silicon Macs, they can only help a tiny webcam a bit

 

[ResilientBanana]

Do you guys think that Windows laptops will get the camera upgrade desperately needed? Atleast as good as front facing latest Iphones and Androids?

Did the iPad?

 

[Kadve]

How hot does this thing run?

 

[Kazekage1981]

Did the iPad?

Maybe? I dont own any apple products except my iphone6s.

 

[Audiophile]

For your first major foray into competing on the PC I'd think simpler and more distinct branding would help to set it apart both in general and as something new.

"Qualcomm Snapdragon Elite X" is a mouthful.

Just call it the "Hyperdragon"..

 

[twilo99]

Darwin (operating system) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mac OS runs on the Darwin OS which is not Linux or BSD. While it does contain BSD code, in lineage it actually descends all the way from NeXTSTEP and is built on the Mach kernel which is also not the Linux or BSD kernels.

Yes, every OS Apple runs is Unix derived, even the watch..

Amazing really if you think about how old Unix is.

Credit to Microsoft for going their own way with Windows NT, which has some advantages, but ultimately id say Unix won that war.