Dark Cloud
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It has more better levels than any other 2D Platformer game ever. And it has multiple games in one.
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Rayman Origins/Legends are the current benchmarks for 2D platformers
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This is both hilarious and accurate. Nintendo GAF has nothing to do aside from Switch speculation so most posts will be about Mario being better. That said, agree with the OP. The last two Rayman games were superb and are what I think of as the bar in the genre now. We really need a new one. Vivendi, please.
2D Mario hasn't been interesting for me since Mario World damn near perfected the genre.
Wowfunhappy
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Origins is fantastic and everyone should play it now.
Legends has some great levels and ideas, but felt kind of unfocused overall. If there's such a thing as too much variety, this is what it's like.
I'm not sure I'm ready to definitively call either the "current benchmark for 2D platformers", but Origins is certainly up there—alongside DKCR, Tropical Freeze, Shovel Knight, Kirby's Return to Dreamland, and NSMBU.
Legends has some great levels and ideas, but felt kind of unfocused overall. If there's such a thing as too much variety, this is what it's like.
I'm not sure I'm ready to definitively call either the "current benchmark for 2D platformers", but Origins is certainly up there—alongside DKCR, Tropical Freeze, Shovel Knight, Kirby's Return to Dreamland, and NSMBU.
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dragonyeuw
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I love Legends, somehow I deleted my file some time ago. Great reason for a second playthrough...
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NOLA_Gaffer
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I'd have to go with New Super Mario Bros U/New Super Luigi U, personally.
I love both Rayman titles but sometimes the art gets in the way of the gameplay and it makes it a bit difficult to judge hitboxes on enemies and the environments.
I love both Rayman titles but sometimes the art gets in the way of the gameplay and it makes it a bit difficult to judge hitboxes on enemies and the environments.
Fancy Clown
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Origins was sooo good. Those treasure chase and land of the livid dead levels are some of the peak platforming I've ever played, especially in coop.
I should really get back to Legends, I got kinda overwhelmed by the amount of content in it and then got sidetracked by other stuff. I haven't played enough to say how it compares to origins yet.
The art is so vibrant and you can build so much momentum, and how the soundtrack blends with what you're doing on screen, it's just good stuff. Even the iPhone Rayman runner games were fun.
I should really get back to Legends, I got kinda overwhelmed by the amount of content in it and then got sidetracked by other stuff. I haven't played enough to say how it compares to origins yet.
The art is so vibrant and you can build so much momentum, and how the soundtrack blends with what you're doing on screen, it's just good stuff. Even the iPhone Rayman runner games were fun.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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There's a lot of truth to this. Neither Rayman game is great on the gameplay front. They're simply solid and fun, and the visuals is really what sets them apart. But regardless Origins is a very fun game. Just not one on the level of the top tier the genre has on offer.
sloppyjoe_gamer
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There wasn't a Pro Patch for it, but it looks amazing in 4K on my PS4 Pro!!!!
Thank you!
One more addition:
Kirby RTDL/TD/Robobot are essentially interchangeably the benchmark for all-ages platforming with focus on "fun" only and mostly not on difficulty for the platforming itself. These games > Superstar Ultra, which is amazing for its time but does not hold up in level design.
Mass Attack is the benchmark for touchscreen-based platforming with emphasis on jumping.
Canvas/Rainbow Curse is the benchmark for touchscreen-based platforming with emphasis on skill.
Wowfunhappy
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I can kind of understand the "on-rails" complaint in Legends, but not Origins.
I also thought that the scripted bits worked well in Legends, although I wish they were also accompanied by more traditional platforming sections.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Put this in the OP and close the thread.
Also, Super Mest Boy is the benchmark for challenging skill based platforming in bite sized levels.
Steve McQueen
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Both fantastic games. Look marvellous on Vita btw. On par with the big titles if you ask me ( Ori, DK, Shovel Knight, Mario etc. ) Very appealing visuals.
exactly my issues with those games. They're great runners, but i don't really care for that kind of platforming.
Change your name to maxbenchmark please. No seriously, those are pretty accurate descriptions. We've been spoiled with great 2d platformers, I'm glad to have such a variety and would love to see this extended to 2d beat em ups and shmups.
Count me in the load of people - Rayman is good. But Ori is stunning and the OP needs to update the subject and change it to Ori
Joe Shlabotnik
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I love the polish on the presentation for Rayman Origins (haven't played Legends) but I have never quite clicked with its slipperiness and weird-ass hitboxes. But I also never "got" the original DKC games for the same reason. On the other hand, I loved DKCR and LOVED Tropical Freeze because they were much tighter in that regard.
Pretty much disagree. The collision detection in Origins was terrible. Sometimes Rayman grabbed a ledge, other times he didn't. Some times I was touching spikes and died, other times I didn't.
Mario games, due to their simpler art style maybe, are more clear. I think the level design is also better. Origins felt pretty boring to me.
Rayman Jungle Run was imo much better than Origins.
Mario games, due to their simpler art style maybe, are more clear. I think the level design is also better. Origins felt pretty boring to me.
Rayman Jungle Run was imo much better than Origins.
Donniewahlberg
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Really love both Rayman games mentioned in the OP, lots of fun and very charming. Would give Legends the nod out of the two but yea, really great.
The mobile games they've used the assets for have been pretty great runners too, jungle run etc.
The mobile games they've used the assets for have been pretty great runners too, jungle run etc.
I feel like Super Meat Boy is also one of the best in the genre... it took the Gameboy DK94-style concept of "contained" levels to the extreme.
It is a far better example of tight level design and amazing controls than any Rayman game.
If any non-Nintendo platformer has a claim to the pinnacle of the genre, I think it's that and not Rayman.
It is a far better example of tight level design and amazing controls than any Rayman game.
If any non-Nintendo platformer has a claim to the pinnacle of the genre, I think it's that and not Rayman.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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My man.
I have Legends for Wii U and I was honestly quite bored playing the game. I didn't feel the urge to play every new level, it was more like beating the necessary stages to just beat the game and move on. Unlike in games like New Super Mario Bros. (/Super Luigi U), Yoshi's Woolly World and Donkey Kong Country Returns: Tropical Freeze, I really wanted to see what the game had to offer after every level, and in case of Mario/Luigi and Yoshi, I really wanted to push for the 100%. Donkey Kong was a bit too difficult for me to 100%, but I really tried.
Wowfunhappy
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If you can actually find all of them. Which you won't, at least not without also playing a bunch of crap.
I also don't think there are enough overall pieces—there are fewer types of enemies, platforms, etc than in any normal Mario game since SMB Lost Levels.
This I agree with. SMB hasn't been topped in terms of bite-sized, challenging platforming levels. Maybe only the N series can compare in that regard.
it's unfair to compare other 2D platformers to Tropical Freeze. even Lebron James falls short of MJ.
Calm Mind
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GOAT post
apieceofstrange
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It's actually Tropical Freeze, but I guess Rayman will have to do since most people didn't buy a WiiU.
nailbombxx
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I agree OP. Rayman Origins was one of the best platformers I've ever played. It amazing how well it turned out, I couldn't have hoped for it to be any better.
Rayman Legends was a bit disappointing in comparison but still good. Level design was simpler and marred by gimmicks and there creeped up the typical Ubisoft focus tested bloat everywhere that made the game feel like it wanted you to be grinding through levels for rewards rather than just playing the game to completion.
Rayman Legends was a bit disappointing in comparison but still good. Level design was simpler and marred by gimmicks and there creeped up the typical Ubisoft focus tested bloat everywhere that made the game feel like it wanted you to be grinding through levels for rewards rather than just playing the game to completion.
brunomartynhak
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Origins is favourite platformer. Legends is a step down mostly due to Murphy's levels.
baudelinog
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Agreed. Amazing games, put them on the Vita and felt like the 14 years old me playing Mario or Sonic for the first time. Exactly what I dreamed about videogames when I was playing Sonic and Mario, really.
AMAZING games.
AMAZING games.
BigEmil
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Highly disagree
The Albatross
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Man I really gotta play Legends. I've owned it for a couple years but never played it much.