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*Refreshes biennially
I seriously wish consoles would just go extinct because this is ridiculous. I guess my brain is wired differently because I would never made that connection.
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Redfall Is Registering Less Than 20 Average Players on Steam
I seriously wish consoles would just go extinct because this is ridiculous. I guess my brain is wired differently because I would never made that connection.
JusticeForAll
Gold Member
Arkane is a great company that made some of my favorite games. Sad it has come to this. I didn't like Deathloop too much either.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
"Live" service.
Mitsurugi Reiji
Member
It is still interesting to watch whether Microsoft will support the game any further
Timberwolf25
Member
MS/Phil needs to make this right for the people that bought the game at least. Either by refunding the cost or delivering on the promised updates.
SidViscous
Member
This is the game where they wrote 60fps on the box right, then it was coming in a post-launch patch, did they ever actually deliver it? sounds like a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen if not.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Praised Arkane for prey and deathloop, without playing Redfall there’s no comment on this, never thought ps5 would miss an Arkane game.
Elder Legend
Banned
How to let people know you are console warring without letting them know you are console warring the post.
Imagine comparing a Todd Howard single player produced game to a game made by a completely different studio thats focused on multiplayer. This is like comparing an Apple to an Orange and saying that the Orange doesn't taste like the Apple. Lol.
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MiguelItUp
Member
I don't think them saying that they would make things right and haven't so far does the situation any good either.
I also think that the majority of PC players that were interested have Game Pass, and didn't bother preordering or buying it on Steam.
I also think that the majority of PC players that were interested have Game Pass, and didn't bother preordering or buying it on Steam.
MMaRsu
Member
Same, game was dreadfully boring
MMaRsu
Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
20 employees working on bug fixes.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Low effort console war bait. Sort your feelings out.
I wonder which had a bigger budget?
Negotiator101
Member
Deadfall.
yazenov
Member
One is a 1st party game, and the other is a paid 3rd party exclusive.
Redfall is one of the worst-reviewed games of the generation that launched with a plethora of bugs and is the laughing stock of the industry, and the other game was just below average game.
Redfall didn't even chart in any sales trackers (US, Europe, Japan, and UK , while Forspoken charted in many of those trackers.
Yeah, nice comparison buddy.
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Hero of Spielberg
Member
What sort of deranged masochists are still subjecting themselves to that dung pile?
Pelta88
Member
I wonder which had a bigger budget?
We know which one sold more.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
They both flopped and had miserable reviews and are completely dead games. Forspoken sold so poorly it killed the studio.
fart town usa
Member
It's such a shame cause 4 player coop in an open environment while taking down vampires sounds so damn awesome on paper.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
Nothing console warring about my post. It’s just common sense. Reputation and track records matter.
If Xbox was willing to launch and spend marketing dollars for something like Redfall. I am concerned about how things will play out for Starfield especially since Bethesda has a track record for releasing buggy RPG games day one.
It’s really not that hard to understand…
Of course I want to be wrong and I hope Starfield is amazing because if that’s the case I will be picking it up tomorrow.
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TrueGrime
Member
I've heard that Microsoft can't take credit if Starfield is a success because they acquired Zenimax while Starfield was already in development.
I've heard that Microsoft can take credit for Redfall's failure because they acquired Zenimax while Redfall was already in development.
MMaRsu
Member
ShadowkillXNA
Member
Bethesda was owned by microsoft for two full years before redfall released.
It is absolutely 100% on microsoft, no one is responsible besides them for managing their own projects, and yes that includes projects by companies owned by them.
There's a word for not managing your own shit. Negligence.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
b...b...b...but Sony too!
MatrixReloaded101
Member
What does Metacritic scores have to do with bugs? Reviewers have been know to not factor bugs, glitches and performance into some review scores.
Never said the game wouldn't be good, I said I was concerned about how well it will perform on PC.
bender
What time is it?
MMaRsu
Member
What is it, a game BGS didn't make? Oh that's right!
bender
What time is it?
I'll give you 75 more guesses.
MMaRsu
Member
These scores were given in spite of bugs and performance my friend.
Phil has been very up front about being hands off with Redfall. That was their philosophy after taking control of these dev teams, to let them make their own choices. He has also apologized for their handling of the situation.
Should they have interfered? Absolutely.
Is it neccesary to keep bringing it up? No, not really.
MMaRsu
Member
Hey genius, Todd's team, and Todd himself did not make Fallout 76.
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bender
What time is it?
The other Todd Howard at BGS must have been the executive producer then.
MMaRsu
Member
Maybe if you get your facts straight we could have a genuine conversation.
He didn't direct the game, he oversaw some of it's development but was barely interested in the game according to rumors.
The game was mandated by Zenimax and it was something he wasn't interested in at all. He was working on his dream project Starfield at the time.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Considering Sony hasn't done shit in 2023 beyond paying for 2 exclusives from Squeenix I'd be concerned.
Oh yeah, they released PSVR2. It failed, but oh yeah.
Scotty W
Banned
I know nothing about this game at all, but the gamers glee over its failure seems counterproductive. I am guessing it cost a lot, and took a long time to make, and its failure comes down to bad management. The result is likely to be more management and focus grouping and a mindset that leads MS and Sony to be increasingly afraid to take risks.
bender
What time is it?
My facts are straight and I'm not relying on rumors. It's not hard to google the credits of a game. You are acting like it was developed by an outside studio and Bethesda slapped their names out. This isn't a Hunt Down The Freeman situation but maybe I need your "genius" reasoning to overlook a recent title the studio released just because its' critical reception doesn't fit a narrative I'm trying to peddle.
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Rawbutt Jellybean
Member
Another delay or just cancelling it were infinitely better options.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Did you just tell someone to get their facts straight and point to rumors as the facts they need to get straight?
TheMan
Member
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if starfield sucked ass and bombed harder than redfall?
HoodWinked
Member
credit to me I thought it looked stupid since E3 reveal.
MMaRsu
Member
Bethesda Game Studios - Wikipedia
The game was mainly developed by BattleCry Studios LLC . This studio was bought and turned into BGS Austin. They did the technical side of Fallout 76 and started development on it.
BGS's Maryland Studio, the one that Todd heads up, helped with worldbuilding and some quests.
The game wasn't created by the same studio that creates the Fallout, Skyrim, Oblivion games.
It's a fact.
so stop being such a condescending prick.
Also comparing a first online game, not made by the same man who directed the games I quoted, to the singleplayer gems they have always delivered is pretty disingenuous if you ask me.
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