(reuters) 53% of Germans says Greece needs to leave the Euro
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StealthGoblin
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Most of the Eurozone thinks Germany should stump up more cash.
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Give Greece to Turkey.
DUFFMCWALIN
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Don't they spend enough money to kinda justify this response from their people?
ReBurn
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I don't know. I'm not European. It was an honest question.
Them, France and Belgium do. (Merkel and Sarkozy always meet first, Belgium has the president and two of the parlementary leaders) All the others just believe they run things. It is most obvious with the UK, they believe they mean something in the EU.
Anyway, they should never have been allowed. It was better if they had declared bankruptcy before it.
entremet
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They and France are bailing out a lot of the problem EU contries. German tax dollars to bail out Greece, which has been fiscally irresponsible for years, kinda makes sense for Germans to be upset.
Them, France and Belgium do. (Merkel and Sarkozy always meet first, Belgium has the president and two of the parlementary leaders) All the others just believe they run things. It is most obvious with the UK, they believe they mean something in the EU.
Anyway, they should never have been allowed. It was better if they had declared bankruptcy before it.
Belgium doesn't have shit to say. The European Union has effectively been a duumvirate ever since the United Kingdom basically ceded its influence.
They use interprets.
Germany is by far Europe's largest economical power.
Only 53%? That number is probably rising every day.
I would like to see actual people from greece saying how they feel about the situation and whats going on (not what you see on the media all day). Because with every news I read, I wonder why the heck we are giving them any money at all.
I would like to see actual people from greece saying how they feel about the situation and whats going on (not what you see on the media all day). Because with every news I read, I wonder why the heck we are giving them any money at all.
Eh, I guess for the bigger discussions but I've seen them talking and responding immediately just between them two.
Escape Goat
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Did they ask them "What would make the situation better?" or did they give them the answer in the question "Should Greece leave the Euro?"
PM poisonelf, he's online right now according to the online list. If he's not already typing up a response to this thread, I'm sure he will if you make him aware of this thread's existence.
It's all about scapegoats, Germans can't do shit about whether or no Greece stays in the eurozone, so politicians all over Western Europe just use them as economic scapegoats, while keeping the corrupt banking system that caused all this mess.
Either English or French I suppose.
When it comes to the country meetings, yes, it is France and Germany. In the parlement on the other hand Belgians are leading two of the three biggest factions. Former prime minister Martens leads the European People's Party, former prime minister Verhofstadt leads the Group of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe and their is off course former prime minister Herman Van Rompuy who is the president. Belgium has a lot of influence as founding member, its big support of the EU and the fact it is a tiny country. Everybody knows it has no secret agenda when it comes to proposing idea.
We Greeks love to live of past accomplishments.
Laziest people on earth basically. We still consider our national soccer team decent because we won the Euro in 2004.
I'm Greek Australian by the way. Apparently we're having another Greek influx into Australia because of all this shit. lol.
Esperanto.
well... seemingly half of germany has no idea about the aftermath
Jason's Ultimatum
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Let Turkey replace Greece.
Then they speak French, cause Sarko doesn't speak German or English.
DerZuhälter
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Yeah because kicking countries out of the Euro will help it's stability. :\
The adverse effects of such an act could quite possibly be equally as bad as saving Greece's economy. The only reason why this is considered is because Greece's goeverment isn't making any effort to change the lazy-ass work mentality over there. Any concessions Greece trys to make gets bombarded by their own people going on strike + the media heating up the public. The govermnent is basically flipfloping around between domestic and foreign pressure.
The adverse effects of such an act could quite possibly be equally as bad as saving Greece's economy. The only reason why this is considered is because Greece's goeverment isn't making any effort to change the lazy-ass work mentality over there. Any concessions Greece trys to make gets bombarded by their own people going on strike + the media heating up the public. The govermnent is basically flipfloping around between domestic and foreign pressure.
Doesn't matter, it has nothing to say. Any major policy is decided solely by Germany and France. The rest just gets to agree. Also, the EU does not have a president. Van Rompuy is the president of the European Council, meaning he basically prepares and chairs the meetings.
If you want Belgium, or any other non-Germany/France country to truly have something to say, support the only way forward for the EU, federalization.
This. Too bad parties like D66 who actually want that don't seem to get enough votes :/
My opinion on the matter is clear: Have a truly democratic EU or have no EU at all.
WickedCobra03
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^Basically this(bolded). I am not suThem, France and Belgium do. (Merkel and Sarkozy always meet first, Belgium has the president and two of the parlementary leaders) All the others just believe they run things. It is most obvious with the UK, they believe they mean something in the EU.
Anyway, they should never have been allowed. It was better if they had declared bankruptcy before it.
re why they are even part of the european union... I mean its nice, but it is like letting all the eastern bloc countries in... its a nice gesture, but economies are different, cultures are totally different, ect to the point where the compatibility plummets.
They lied about their financials. You were only allowed in the Euro if your debt was under a certain percentage. They made those figures up. Also: the European Union and the Eurozone aren't the same. There isn't a problem with them being in the EU, there is a problem with them adopting the Euro ten years ago.
Is the general public qualified to make those sorts of technical decisions? There really needs to be an effort to explain the issue and the consequences of each course of action. A lack of public support for backstopping Greece has been in part why it's gotten so bad: every action taken was too little and too late as politicians wait for it to turn into a crisis before doing anything.
To be fair -- if it isn't something rude to say -- if there one society who has earned it, it's the Greeks.
bigtroyjon
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Not in the long run. It will hurt the short term value of the Euro but in the long run, Germany dumping a ton of money into a country that will just give it to private investors is terrible for Germany.
Kind of like how the US gov't giving out the new home owner tax credit propped up the housing market in the short term but in the long term many markets are having their housing values go worse than they would have without it.
Unknown Soldier
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Them, France and Belgium do. (Merkel and Sarkozy always meet first, Belgium has the president and two of the parlementary leaders) All the others just believe they run things. It is most obvious with the UK, they believe they mean something in the EU.
Anyway, they should never have been allowed. It was better if they had declared bankruptcy before it.
The UK doesn't participate in the Eurozone. Why would they have a say in what goes in relating to who is and isn't in charge of the Eurozone?
I said the EU, not the Eurozone.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Lol. Says the country that deflated its currency to trillions to get "out of debt".
ThoseDeafMutes
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Germany is the wealthiest, most populous nation in the union. France and Germany are the two most important participants in the monetary union.
If you're referring to Germany's past hyperinflation, they are extremely hesitant to print money now because of this experience.
Phoenician_Viking
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When did that happen? And how?
Since their politicians made it clear they don't like the EU, the EU has decided to ignore them. Especially on the budget control issue. Cameron thought he could change the proposal by turning it down. Now they are just implementing it without the UK.
But they got out of it. That is the point.
Enosh
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Let China replace California.
Misterinenja
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Turkey doesn't need or even want EU anymore.
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