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[Mortrialus]

Bild is a tabloid, comparable to The Sun. It does have some influence but it shouldn't be taken seriously or considered representative of what most Germans think.

Every single thread I've seen about Greece's debt crisis on this board has been filled with users mocking the people of Greece as being lazy, stupid welfare queens.

 

[JzeroT1437]

Give Greece to Turkey.

They don't want them anymore.

 

[Digishine]

Give Greece to Turkey.

Greece has just build a fence at the borders of turkey..

 

[A less bigoted Deku]

Not a nice thing to say. If it wasn't for us putting up a fight against the Persians and the Turks, Europe would be entirely different today. Every country in the world owes us thanks for what we've given to humanity. Medicine, Democracy, the Alphabet, Philosophy, Poetry, the list could go on. Only China has a longer history than us.

With that said, I believe we should go back to the Drachma. The Euro hurt us much more than anticipated and is not a feasible currency when we do not have many exports.

In reality, it doesn't matter what we do; we're in for a long fight, but we will prevail as always.



It goes both ways. The Government fucked us and we fucked them back. How do you justify a doctor making a good amount of money, having multiple cars and multiple beach-front properties only paying 6,000 in yearly taxes??? That's been going on for decades. Shame on us for doing that to the government and shame on them for not doing anything about it.

No one doubts Greece's achievements. But I think a lot of the cynicism and negativity relates to belief by outsiders that Greece has the political will to pull itself together. We do not appear to be looking at an Iceland or Ireland case where the population suffered and got thorugh it. We may instead be looking at an extended period of instability and public recriminations against 'the banks' 'goldman sachs' and 'the Germans' which is not great for 1) public policy 2) public acceptance of austerity 3) the future governments said population may elect.

This is almost at a situation where a future government could simply say F U to Europe and walk away from whatever concessions and agreement is hammered out today. It's simply untenable given the public mood.

Someone needs to come in and manage the country, and if Europe is serious about their European project, they need to step in. Not agreeing with the Turkey joke, but perhaps giving it to the Germans would be more apt.

EHEHEHEH

 

[poisonelf]

Greece has just build a fence at the borders of turkey..

The fence is not being built as a gesture against Turkey itself. The fence is to stop illegal immigration. Greece has a HUGE immigration problem, there are millions of illegal immigrants here, a country of 10m. That stretch of land is where thousands pass each month from all over Asia, it's a main point of entrance.

I'd need a new thread to describe what is happening here, with roaming immigrants picking up anything of value in cardboard boxes on wheels, literally all over the streets of major cities, endless sheets of stolen or counterfeit goods sold all along major streets, criminal rates through the roof, rapists and murderers (either Greek or immigrants) not being jailed because jails are full, and much more.
Couple that with everything else that is happening here... not that I expect that fence to actually matter at all.

 

[Gustav]

i just wanted to drop in to tell you i don't appreciate your previous post implying that I'm a murderer and racist based on my ethnicity.

Elf i hope things look up for your country mate, i really do.

Um, what? I was talking about the Varg Vikernes avatar (who is a racist and convicted murderer).

 

[Ripclawe]

Okay even I am thinking the Euros are just being dicks.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9SQ78I80&show_article=1

Just hours after Greece gave in to painful new job and spending cuts, European ministers declared Thursday that Athens didn't go far enough and demanded more within a week in exchange for a euro130 billion ($170 billion) bailout to stave off bankruptcy.
The ministers gave the debt-ridden country until the middle of next week to find an extra euro325 million ($430 million) in savings, pass the cuts through a divided parliament, and get written guarantees that they will be implemented even after the elections of a new government in April, said Jean-Claude Juncker, the Luxembourg prime minister who chaired Thursday's meeting of finance chiefs of the 17 euro countries.

The new austerity plan, which makes sharp cuts to the minimum wage and thousands of public-sector jobs, ignited fresh criticism from unions and the country's deputy labor minister, who resigned in protest after Greece agreed to the deal. Even debt inspectors conceded that the new measures would keep the country in a recession for a fifth straight year.

 

[grumble]

95% of Germans do not have the background, education, foresight or objectivity to make a good decision as to whether or not Greece should leave the Euro. Doesn't mean they shouldn't, but a public opinion poll of random people isn't the best metric of whether or not it's a good call.

 

[WARCOCK]

Poisonelf, as a greek, I'm curious how you would feel if germany actually put their money where their mouth is and actually managed or helped manged the budget of your country? Would ceding control of your country's financial autonomy to an external power for a supposed greater end goal be unbearable as a greek citizen?