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Rick & Morty [Mafia] |OT| Someone's been spending too much time around glowing rocks
- Thread starter AbsolutBro
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Dusk Soldier
Member
Wait so your target is forced to target you?
That's why you claimed "weak cop?" In case your target was the scum kill?
Existence is pain
The Wizard
Member
Well that's no fun.
Are you going to do the same thing tonight?
Because that would basically make Salvas ability useless to us :/
Dusk Soldier
Member
And how does your ability help you achieve your win condition?
Especially in a game with so few PRs with targetable night actions?
The Wizard
Member
If Sorian was honest about his targets we have 3 candidates for the scum voteblocker: Zeusy, Faddy and Penguin.
Tried to collect Vere/Swamped posts, but got bored during Day 1
Not a ton going on
And this thread is 50 pages, but if anyone wants to relive some of day 1...
Not a ton going on
And this thread is 50 pages, but if anyone wants to relive some of day 1...
Weird that Sorian's ability can force players to target them, it pretty much makes all his previous claims useless. since that means he is full of shit when it comes to his cops role.
But that raises another question, if he is not the cop, that means we don't have any type of investigative role, but it also seems to me that scum doesn't have that strong roles either.
Also he said he knows "He targeted last night" when talking about the voteblocker (Who we all noticed after the day ended that dusk couldn't vote). But maybe he redirected the vote to someone else?
But then what IS his role? He either has several tools or just one, the redirection.
Also I really dislike that Dusk Soldier never said he was vote blocked.
And then no one noticed... well at least I didn't...
I didn't use my power last night by the way.
But that raises another question, if he is not the cop, that means we don't have any type of investigative role, but it also seems to me that scum doesn't have that strong roles either.
Also he said he knows "He targeted last night" when talking about the voteblocker (Who we all noticed after the day ended that dusk couldn't vote). But maybe he redirected the vote to someone else?
But then what IS his role? He either has several tools or just one, the redirection.
Also I really dislike that Dusk Soldier never said he was vote blocked.
And then no one noticed... well at least I didn't...
I didn't use my power last night by the way.
Giant Panda
Member
I'm amazed how brave Sorian was to claim to be a town investigative role if he never had that ability. Had there been a town investigator, which is usually pretty good odds, then he would have probably gotten a counter-claim pretty quick. I doubt he had won by that point.
Still, we need to lynch scum today, and if Sorian is neutral than he isn't our best shot. I've been trying to consider any plausible scenario where Sorian is actually a scum, but his actions don't fit very well no matter what angle I consider it from.
As for Swamped/Verelios votes
Day 2: Kalor
Day 3: No vote -> gets replaced
Day 4: Kawl
Day 5: Nomadic
Day 6: Kawl
Still, we need to lynch scum today, and if Sorian is neutral than he isn't our best shot. I've been trying to consider any plausible scenario where Sorian is actually a scum, but his actions don't fit very well no matter what angle I consider it from.
As for Swamped/Verelios votes
Day 2: Kalor
Day 3: No vote -> gets replaced
Day 4: Kawl
Day 5: Nomadic
Day 6: Kawl
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DAY 7 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Sorian (1)
Sorian 2484
No active vote for Day 7: Dr. Worm, Dusk Soldier, Faddy, Fat4all, Giant Panda, Penguin, SalvaPot, The Wizard, Zeusy
Day 7 Postcount: Dr. Worm 2, Dusk Soldier 8, Faddy 5, Fat4all 10, Giant Panda 3, Penguin 2, SalvaPot 1, Sorian 5, The Wizard 6, Zeusy 1
Day 7 ends:
Automated vote tally here
6 votes for majority
Sorian (1)
Sorian 2484
No active vote for Day 7: Dr. Worm, Dusk Soldier, Faddy, Fat4all, Giant Panda, Penguin, SalvaPot, The Wizard, Zeusy
Day 7 Postcount: Dr. Worm 2, Dusk Soldier 8, Faddy 5, Fat4all 10, Giant Panda 3, Penguin 2, SalvaPot 1, Sorian 5, The Wizard 6, Zeusy 1
Day 7 ends:
Automated vote tally here
6 votes for majority
Dusk Soldier
Member
ugh. not this again
What if I lied about all my targets too?
.....
I'd never do that.
Would I?
No
Yes
Maybe
You had very little reason to lie about your targets, specially if there was a role that can see who visits who and caughts you in your lie. I am pretty sure that at least your first claim is truthful when it comes to your targets.
not really, you know truth is more powerful than lies.
You are trying too hard to have fun, your role must really suck.
It's ok, game should have been over already though but what can you do?
The Wizard
Member
Alright I've got some information but the assumptions I derive out of it are based partially on mechanics I'm not 100% sure of.
Let's start with the facts. I'm Hamurai the parasite X-shot vigilante. I didn't really consider using my night killing ability until about night 4 due to a lack of compelling leads until then, once odds came close to 50/50 I was on board.
Night 4: was considering Penguin/Kawl based on some faulty logic similar to the post I had start of day 5. Ultimately decided this wasn't certain and both could be town which would just make us lose a turn faster. No action.
Night 5: Kawl was still on my mind as it would clear up the next days lynch but I still wasn't seeing it. Other option was Zeusy who I targeted in the end.
Night 6: Was pretty thrown after the data events, looked for someone who seemed to really want to appear to be town and landed on Verelios.
Now here's some assumptions about what this might mean, would like to hear more about the likelihood from more experienced players here:
- At the start of the day I was excited Salva might have blocked scum. Why? Because I knew Vere would have died regardless. Now we know no one is role blocked, so maybe scum just got really unlucky and hit their only unknown teammate? Well there's also a possible alternative, if scum know they have a hidden member why take the risk with the night kill. If they opt for no kill they end up with a 6-5 vote with Sorian help. That seems less risky than targeting Vere.
- I targeted Zeusy night5 and didn't receive any notification that I was refunded a shot. Initially I was worried scum had randomly come across me with their ever but I think I would have been refunded a shot in that scenario. So is Zeusy bulletproof and does that hint to scum? I am fairly certain my target wasn't change as Kawl would have swapped worm and dusk(?) this night.
So yeah what I want most right now is an explanation for what happened night 5.
Let's start with the facts. I'm Hamurai the parasite X-shot vigilante. I didn't really consider using my night killing ability until about night 4 due to a lack of compelling leads until then, once odds came close to 50/50 I was on board.
Night 4: was considering Penguin/Kawl based on some faulty logic similar to the post I had start of day 5. Ultimately decided this wasn't certain and both could be town which would just make us lose a turn faster. No action.
Night 5: Kawl was still on my mind as it would clear up the next days lynch but I still wasn't seeing it. Other option was Zeusy who I targeted in the end.
Night 6: Was pretty thrown after the data events, looked for someone who seemed to really want to appear to be town and landed on Verelios.
Now here's some assumptions about what this might mean, would like to hear more about the likelihood from more experienced players here:
- At the start of the day I was excited Salva might have blocked scum. Why? Because I knew Vere would have died regardless. Now we know no one is role blocked, so maybe scum just got really unlucky and hit their only unknown teammate? Well there's also a possible alternative, if scum know they have a hidden member why take the risk with the night kill. If they opt for no kill they end up with a 6-5 vote with Sorian help. That seems less risky than targeting Vere.
- I targeted Zeusy night5 and didn't receive any notification that I was refunded a shot. Initially I was worried scum had randomly come across me with their ever but I think I would have been refunded a shot in that scenario. So is Zeusy bulletproof and does that hint to scum? I am fairly certain my target wasn't change as Kawl would have swapped worm and dusk(?) this night.
So yeah what I want most right now is an explanation for what happened night 5.
The Wizard
Member
*roleblocker. I guess I'm not fully certain I would know if I got the shot back but I feel like I would have been notified via PM? And I can't think of many alternatives to why a hit would fail besides bulletproof. We know most of the town actions on that night and it shouldn't have changed this.
The Wizard
Member
So you've a witch type role. Choose X, they must target Y. Which is why you were able to vote block someone. Interesting, too bad we have to second-guess your list of targets.
Well its possible you got affected by Kawl's ability somehow and that is why you failed your kill.
Sure you do.
See the problem is you claim an ability that we can't risk proving this late in the game
I get not wanting to get it wrong but if you've done it earlier we'd have some evidence that this power existed
Giant Panda
Member
Yeah, unless Zeusy claims bulletproof, Wizard's claim doesn't match with what we know.
The Wizard
Member
How so? We can be reasonably confident that one of the people Kawl switched on night 5 was Dr. Worm. post #2315
Furthermore the increased confidence that Dusk is alright probably means Dusk was switched with Dr. Worm. I don't see Kawl switching worm with zeusy here and that's the only way it would affect my action.
I might have been able to claim yesterday if the hit had gone through. Before that I don't see how me claiming benefits town, it just means there more chance I get offed/blocked before getting to hit scum. I definitely hit scum last night, the question is was it a 2on1? For that you need to believe scum intentionally targeted Vere. If so, why? Was he really the most townie candidate at that point in time, I don't think so. If scum knew they had a unknown member they could have easily realized all they had to do today was recruit the neutral (who seems willing) and win. Therefore their best move would have been to abstain from the night kill. And if they did, Vere would still die as a result of my shot.
You would have to believe they took a 1/4 chance at the game going on longer vs. a near 100% chance of a win. I don't buy it.
Ultimately 4 of you are still scum and are naturally going to want to question the validity of my claim. To the town still left I would just ask that you look over my posts and judge for myself. In particular I think my first post today was accidentally quite revealing (I missed that Vere was a hidden scum) and therefore jumped immediately to Salva having roleblocked the killer. Now obviously that didn't happen but I have to say I don't think I would have jumped to the same conclusion had I not known Vere would have been killed by me even as plain scum. I think they are some small hits day 5/day 6 if you are willing to look for them but obviously I was being quite careful to not give scum any indication I had a PR before getting to take my actions.
Zeusy openly claiming bulletproof would be... interesting.
So you're the reason I lost my bulletproof!!!
Wait so what is bulletproof?
You could withstand being killed once? Was it only in secret or would the same have happened if you got lyncheD?
Yup, lynched or night kill, I was safe from being killed once
Ok that may explain your odd play then.
Though I mean could have been useful ability... baited some scum into killing you and prevent at least one other town lynch for a day.
I've been using my ability every night, it's just I never protected the correct person 😧
Oh wait, you protect other people?
I thought you meant that you were bulletproof
Got it!
Both!
Why would scum vote block one of their own in this situation?
The Wizard
Member
Every night, huh? So who did you protect on each night?
Kawl was indicating he redirected to Dusk I suppose and that he read Dusk as scum. I could see it.
The Wizard
Member
Hey Faddy, I know Salvas boner for dusk is fascinating and all but what do you think of Zeusys posts on this page considering your enthusiasm for him as scum earlier in the game?
One shot bulletproof Doctor? Bullshit.
I agree.
Maybe he had a 1-shot bulletproof, otherwise I dont know how he avoids a random Vig shot other than out of luck, but Im not buying the Doctor claim at all.
The Wizard
Member
One thing I wanted to look at.
I'm gonna assume we are currently in 5-4-1 and the 1 is Sorian.
First why lynch a neutral: Sorian seems to intend to use Salva to block me tonight, essentially giving town no chance to disrupt scum overnight. If we lynch Sorian today he gets his deathwish and we go into tonight 5-4 with a rber and a vig which seems good but we could screw up or be interfered with. If scum are able to get the nightkill and the voteblock through we go 3-4 and lose. alternatives are 4-4, 3-3 and 4-3.
What about scum then:
Let's say we lynch scum instead. go into tonight 5-3-1 but can get witch blocked so assume scum nightkill every time. then tomorrow will be 4-3-1 if today's lynch is the voteblocker or 3-3-1 if not. So we'll be in the same situation today but with scum able to grab majority via Sorian who seems to be interested in only lynching himself thus far. So we lose tomorrows vote to scum but they kill neutral leaving the next night the same situation above but starting from 4-3 or 3-3 which means a smaller pool for possible mistakes + more information.
So I think that means we as town want scum (in particular the vote blocker) today not the neutral. But it is quite scary to realize Sorian as a wildcard could end the game for either side.¯\_(ツ
_/¯
I'm gonna assume we are currently in 5-4-1 and the 1 is Sorian.
First why lynch a neutral: Sorian seems to intend to use Salva to block me tonight, essentially giving town no chance to disrupt scum overnight. If we lynch Sorian today he gets his deathwish and we go into tonight 5-4 with a rber and a vig which seems good but we could screw up or be interfered with. If scum are able to get the nightkill and the voteblock through we go 3-4 and lose. alternatives are 4-4, 3-3 and 4-3.
What about scum then:
Let's say we lynch scum instead. go into tonight 5-3-1 but can get witch blocked so assume scum nightkill every time. then tomorrow will be 4-3-1 if today's lynch is the voteblocker or 3-3-1 if not. So we'll be in the same situation today but with scum able to grab majority via Sorian who seems to be interested in only lynching himself thus far. So we lose tomorrows vote to scum but they kill neutral leaving the next night the same situation above but starting from 4-3 or 3-3 which means a smaller pool for possible mistakes + more information.
So I think that means we as town want scum (in particular the vote blocker) today not the neutral. But it is quite scary to realize Sorian as a wildcard could end the game for either side.¯\_(ツ
_/¯