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[cormack12]

Source: https://www.gamesradar.com/games/op...mes-other-than-the-gtas-of-the-world-is-over/

"They didn't know what they were building. They didn't have any real direction. It couldn't last"

"They were so expensive for what they were," Karch said. "They didn't know what they were building. They didn't have any real direction. It couldn't last. And so, who's going to fund them for the next game after that disaster?"

"It would be nice in an ideal world for everyone to have a job," Karch added. "But games with nine-figure budgets are making eight figures in revenue and that's dooming a lot of developers."

This business needs to mature. If it doesn't, the whole business is in trouble. Unfortunately, that means layoffs."

 

[Topher]

"They didn't know what they were building."

 

[MMaRsu]

We told them beforehand it looked like shit, this wasnt what we (fans of Saints Row) wanted, and they told us to fuck off and laughed at us

"Haters gonna hate" the Twitter account posted

Sad to see it gone, but the clowns at the helm had noone to blame but themselves

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

when the last one targeted the "modern audience" (a bigger demographic, more money and great success, so they say).

and if remember correctly the fourth one was a political parody and was one of the most popular too, right?.

no homie. no respect.

 

[IDKFA]

Source: https://www.gamesradar.com/games/op...mes-other-than-the-gtas-of-the-world-is-over/

"They didn't know what they were building. They didn't have any real direction. It couldn't last"

"They were so expensive for what they were," Karch said. "They didn't know what they were building. They didn't have any real direction. It couldn't last. And so, who's going to fund them for the next game after that disaster?"

"It would be nice in an ideal world for everyone to have a job," Karch added. "But games with nine-figure budgets are making eight figures in revenue and that's dooming a lot of developers."

This business needs to mature. If it doesn't, the whole business is in trouble. Unfortunately, that means layoffs."

I really don't understand how a video game costs a nine figure sum to make. That's an insane cost.

 

[Banjo64]

Product of its time. Never played SR2 which was meant to be great. I enjoyed SR3 and that’s the only one I played, when I saw the next game shared the same map there just wasn’t enough to pull me back in.

It reminds me of Austin Powers, fantastic parody but you can’t keep stretching that formula.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

So they were intentionally committing suicide with Saints Row? That explains a lot.

 

[Barakov]

I'm pretty this all the fault of the 'modern audience' SR. I could be wrong but SR3 and SR4 seemed like they did fine.

I'm pretty this chasing of the modern audience and sensibilities is why the western AA market kinda died on consoles.

 

[Kvally]

I enjoyed the newest SR but when I was done I was done. Story blew chunks but gameplay was good.

 

[Saber]

Their own customer base, you know the fans which are exactly the target of this game, refused and disliked what they were making.

Put this in conjuction with leaks from people working inside that stated they weren't making the game for the gamers (they even said they were willing to let the company bankrupt then actually please their fans, incredibly ironic). How this game ever had any chance of being sucessfull?

 

[Kvally]

"They didn't know what they were building."

Took your image for my avatar

 

[Denton]

They knew perfectly well what they were building. But what they were building was made for non-existent audience...and they even failed in core execution.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

New just in, CEO has a hot take from ten years ago

Sorry you employed a load of woke tards, I guess

 

[ReBurn]

They thought they knew what they were building, though.

 

[Ikutachi]

Saints Row went death row.

 

[Loomy]

"They were so expensive for what they were," Karch said. "They didn't know what they were building. They didn't have any real direction. It couldn't last. And so, who's going to fund them for the next game after that disaster?"

As CEO that's on you, Karch lol. Why would you greenlight a 9 figure project before you know what you're building? Hire the right leaders and half of these problems disappear.

 

[bender]

They didn't know what they were building...

I mean, that's understandable. If only Saints Row had previous entries in the series that they could have modeled the game off of, but launching a new IP is hard.

 

[Kacho]

This business needs to mature. If it doesn't, the whole business is in trouble. Unfortunately, that means layoffs."

The fuck does this even mean?

 

[Fake]

 

[RavageX]

Can't say I understand the devs thought process. Its sad when fans tell you what is wrong with the game world you are trying to create, and you think you know better than them. They are the ones buying your game. I got it for free and can't be bothered. It is not a good Saint's Row game.

I always hoped for a proper sequel to SR2.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

The fuck does this even mean?

It means they employed a load of man babies and feminists that were aligned with the shit we've been seeing infest every industry to reboot a 'modern' Saints Row

It never sells

Crazy innit.

 

[LectureMaster]

"They didn't know what they were building. They didn't have any real direction. It couldn't last"

No shits, the characters in the 2022 game surely look like the one that would have been bullied by the OG characters.

 

[Puscifer]

We told them beforehand it looked like shit, this wasnt what we (fans of Saints Row) wanted, and they told us to fuck off and laughed at us

"Haters gonna hate" the Twitter account posted

Sad to see it gone, but the clowns at the helm had noone to blame but themselves

Yeah no shit. To me I was willing to give it a chance till the gameplay showed less interactivity with Ragdolls and the environment than even the 360 original. I truly ask the question "who" was this game made for? The characters look like a gang you'd murder in 3 or just bully in 2.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

They knew exactly what they were doing and paid for it.

 

[thismeinteil]

Let's be honest here. The only one that was too expensive was the woke one that was made for a modern audiences that does not exist. It was the Veilguard of its day. The new installment in a beloved franchise. When concerns were expressed, the devs told the fans to pound sand, they knew what was best. It comes out and flops. Apparently, some devs/pubs refuse to learn the lesson.

 

[simpatico]

A small to mid sized studio known for cart racers made this in less than 2 years.

 

[Sooner]

Well, it's true. Anything is too expensive if it sells bad enough that it doesn't make the money back.

The important question is why was it unable to make the budget back

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

Too expensive? Sounds like my student loans!

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Are these games worth playing?

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

Are these games worth playing?

2 and 3 are both really good. At least they were 15 years ago.

The traversal and superpowers in 4 are fun but I thought the rest of the game around it felt pretty stale.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Too expensive? Sounds like my student loans!

Maybe the next Saints Row game can be about a bunch of Gen Z twats who got laid off from the DEI department at a failed game studio, taking revenge against capitalism and raising money to pay for a $5000/month studio apartment in San Francisco.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Basically it went woke went broke and it was a sight to behold in real time, I’m here to tell ya.

 

[The_hunter]

Are these games worth playing?

I really had fun with the 3rd and 4th game back in the day. No clue how they hold up today.

Saints row 3 is free on prime gaming at the moment.

 

[poppabk]

As CEO that's on you, Karch lol. Why would you greenlight a 9 figure project before you know what you're building? Hire the right leaders and half of these problems disappear.

As CEO of Saber and not Volition or Embracer he didn't greenlight it. He bought his own studio back from Embracer and greenlit Space Marine 2.
As for the most recent Saints Row, I enjoyed the opening and thought it might actually be a hidden gem until I met my hipster 'gang'.

 

[Loomy]

As CEO of Saber and not Volition or Embracer he didn't greenlight it. He bought his own studio back from Embracer and greenlit Space Marine 2.

Right that was published by Deep Silver/Embracer.

 

[MetalRain]

Saints Row was always "worse but funnier GTA", but I think they lost their way after SR3.

 

[YCoCg]

A small to mid sized studio known for cart racers made this in less than 2 years.

Bad example, that became beloved AFTER it was already considered a sales failure and the studio was time on a mmorpg version before being shut down.

Though Square Enix is largely to blame a lot of "gamers" at the time wrote the game off for being a "GTA Clone" and saying it looked cheap, etc.

 

[Moses85]

It had to die because the Series was

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Maybe *someone* should have told them not to do all the blatantly dumb shit they were doing, Mr. Retarded CEO Man.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

It had to die because the Series was

 

[Pejo]

It's just a shame. As others have said, there was a huge wave of feedback that this direction is not the direction fans wanted the series to go, but they kept trucking along thinking that they would shame the audience into buying or enjoying the game, I guess?

I actually have a dilemma when thinking about it though.

On one hand, I want devs to do what they want to do and create without compromise or trying to appease certain groups. On the other hand, western developers have been shown to make every wrong decision creatively when given freedom for the past 5~ years.

Just sucks that a lot of these series are pretty much dead at this point with the huge budgets and bombs of the past few years.

 

[poppabk]

Maybe *someone* should have told them not to do all the blatantly dumb shit they were doing, Mr. Retarded CEO Man.

Again - he wasn't involved with SR, he is just commenting on it as Saber were also under the Embracer umbrella at the time.

 

[rm082e]

 

[Toots]

It had to die because the Series was

 

[Dr.Morris79]

1, 2, 3, 4 Were awsome games!

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

"They didn't know what they were building. They didn't have any real direction. It couldn't last"

No shits, the characters in the 2022 game surely look like the one that would have been bullied by the OG characters.

Never played Saints Row but have seen cutscenes on some. The right side looks badass and normal but the left side just looks completely abominable, disgusting, and wrong. Burn those creatures! They also look like generic npcs in the game rather than core characters lol.

 

[kubricks]

"They didn't know what they were building. They didn't have any real direction. It couldn't last"

What???
They did know exactly what they were building.
They did have a very real and solid direction.
The game was built for modern audiences... which don't exist.

 

[ComputerBlue]

What an idiot

 

[chromhound]

They knew what they were building... They just didn't listen to the customers/players

 

[Laptop1991]

Then why waste time and money making a dei Saint's Row that hardly anyone wanted or would play, what a load of nonesense, it barely worked as well!, lol.