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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
To be fair there is a bit of stuff in the game most places thesedays won't be happy about still being present.
Straight off the bat Brett Dalton does a Gay impression which I imagine some sites won't like.
They kept Jessica in her Bra & Underpants.
The game literally oozes with stuff they would be triggered by.
But I'm sure the reviews will come eventually and Silent Hill 2 is probably priority at the moment.
captainnapalm
Member
I don't think so. Watch the opening prank scene - there are all new janky animations that aren't in the original, and changes to the animations when characters move and speak.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Doesn't matter, the original was just as rough. The only scene totally redone is the opening scene and that doesn't remove the rest of the game (which is exactly as I stated).
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
It's the lighting and I don't think that's real-time either
Fucking hell
PC will need mods to "downgrade" to original
the character models in game are way better
captainnapalm
All the alternative scene's are from the original production, the only new one is this
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midnightAI
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This one does make sense though, they are rebooting it ready for a sequel and there is (supposedly) a film coming
Zero Dawn also makes sense in that it helps Nixxes get fully used to Decima (Nixxes becoming a remake studio like BluePoint? Using Decima?), also it's a $10 PS5 upgrade to a game that sold 10's of millions that won't be a vast amount of work, financially it makes perfect sense.
HeWhoWalks
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captainnapalm
Member
If they are really using the same rigging as the original that was a bad idea because Supermassive have refined their presentation in their newer games in the years since. I played Man of Medan a while back and the characters move and speak more naturally in that game, which is from 2019, than this remake.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I mean I have to play more but from what I've played that's the only part that jumped out at me.
You could see it with just the bus driving up the road that something was wrong.
To me considering how games do ship these days, for a team that's had its staff cut a month before launch, some minor bugs & a late review code is surprisingly less than most triple AAA studios get away with.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Yes, Supermassive's newer stuff is a lot better and animation is the only area of this game I wish had seen a bit more improvement.
TGO
Agreed!
Killer8
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I always thought the Dark Pictures Games was a step down from Until Dawn in that department, The Quarry was an improvement.
Vick
Member
Well it technically can, just make it emulate the best looking version of the game at locked 60fps.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
They made him older because....he is now older and that how he'll look in the film, his hair is longer and also greyer now too
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captainnapalm
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Don't know Shawn Ashmore's character was janky as fuck and laughable, it looked like a low budget version of Until Dawn and that includes the PS5 version which I have.Nah - Man of Medan is still fresh in my mind. The flow of the scenes and the way the characters move are more seamless, though there are still janky moments.
Anyway here's Gamingblot's Review
I will say there was a couple of pauses in their footage that I didn't experience, like when she runs after her sister at the beginning.
That didn't happen on my playthrough.
It might be random though.
HeWhoWalks
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
The lighting is better in the original here, and there's too much Eye glint, but the model is the same
Didn't know there were zombies in the remake.
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captainnapalm
Member
Yeah, Shawn Ashmore didn't look great, but the way the characters walk and talk in Man of Medan is pretty seamless 95% of the time. The characters in the Until Dawn remake still move in that slightly stiff video game way, which I guess is a holdover from the 2015 game.
The remake looks very good otherwise, but the animations are a bit of a problem.
TGO
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I get what you mean, and yes it's a shame they didn't update them.
HeWhoWalks
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
In the bottom pic, since the eye on the left (her right eye) has so much shadow it makes it look like she's cross eyed. lol. Good art design devs!
Didn't know there were zombies in the remake.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah, looks like they're using the exact same animation rigging from the original game, no changes there.
Look at how Chris pivots on an axis, like the PS1 Resident Evil characters.
The Quarry is a generational leap in its animations, by comparison. It has its share of wonky faces here and there, but overall it's a much better product.
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StueyDuck
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doesn't bode well for ballistic moon...
is this another Firewalk/Ascendant studios disaster coming? (to be clear I'm talking about these "Big name from big pub/dev starts their own company and is coming for those AAAs" studios that are all flopping with their first game)
is this another Firewalk/Ascendant studios disaster coming? (to be clear I'm talking about these "Big name from big pub/dev starts their own company and is coming for those AAAs" studios that are all flopping with their first game)
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UnrealEck
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At some points the remake looked worse to me from memory of the original. It seems the lighting can make the game look a good bit better or a little worse/different. That's playing with ray tracing and everything else max on the PC.
It's usually the eyes and the motion capture seems like it doesn't perfectly line up with the new models. I mean the capture would have been perfected specifically with the original assets. Overall the remake looks a good bit better. A lot of assets in the original were lower quality.
Looking at the screenshots here reminds me how far realtime graphics have come. I remember humans were always really hard to replicate.
It's usually the eyes and the motion capture seems like it doesn't perfectly line up with the new models. I mean the capture would have been perfected specifically with the original assets. Overall the remake looks a good bit better. A lot of assets in the original were lower quality.
Looking at the screenshots here reminds me how far realtime graphics have come. I remember humans were always really hard to replicate.
TGO
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It's already been mentioned before release that they used all the data from the original production, character models are the from the the original capture performances & facial dataYeah, looks like they're using the exact same animation rigging from the original game, no changes there.
Look at how Chris pivots on an axis, like the PS1 Resident Evil characters.
The Quarry is a generational leap in its animations, by comparison. It has its share of wonky faces here and there, but overall it's a much better product.
They're just lit differently, if they change it to match the originals environment lighting it would look the same but better.
The newly captured and created stuff was with Hayden
As said above, it's mostly the lighting differences.
I understand why they changed it, originally at the beginning they mention getting to the lodge before it's dark (but it's already pitch black
)And Sam looks into a vista and says she forgot how beautiful it was there...(yet again, pitch black
)Reflect light Vs Direct light.
Probably got real time shadowing which is not always the best choice artistically.
Probably should have do it manually for that part
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yep. This engine is a total mess and is clearly too much for current consoles and even high end PCs without using some form of upscaling
Until Dawn, rebuilt and enhanced for PS5 and PC, launches October 4
Discover the enhancements in graphics, gameplay, story elements, and more.blog.playstation.com
I never would have thought Decima would have been a better engine for the game than UE5.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Made the reviews thread.
www.neogaf.com
71 meta-score so far.
Until Dawn - Reviews Thread (PS5/PC - 2024)
Game Information Game Title: Until Dawn Platforms: PlayStation 5 / PC (Oct 4, 2024) Trailer: Until Dawn - Launch Date Trailer | PS5/PC Developer: Ballistic Moon Publisher: Sony Review Aggregator: OpenCritic - 67 average - 45% recommended Metacritic- 73 average Critic...
71 meta-score so far.
Puscifer
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But it was I'm the original lol
Dthomp
Member
Made the reviews thread.
Until Dawn - Reviews Thread (PS5/PC - 2024)
Game Information Game Title: Until Dawn Platforms: PlayStation 5 / PC (Oct 4, 2024) Trailer: Until Dawn - Launch Date Trailer | PS5/PC Developer: Ballistic Moon Publisher: Sony Review Aggregator: OpenCritic - 67 average - 45% recommended Metacritic- 73 average Critic...
71 meta-score so far.
Thank you for posting that, I'm really hoping to see more feedback. Until Dawn was easily one of my top PS4 games of that gen and was so excited for a remake til I started seeing some of the issues. Not seeing a response from Ballistic Moon also has me curious if this is going to be fixed up at all on console or improved on.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Digital Foundry have a segment about it today and they say the release is problematic.
- Core visuals look better in terms of fidelity as the first game was an early PS4 title
- Lighting is often very different compared to the original
- Tech wise, not using Virtual Shadow Maps, Lumen reflections or GI, or if it is, it's not good quality (
SlimySnake
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- Pre-rendered cut-scenes have severe frame pacing. Oliver calls them "miserable".
- "Some of the ugliest film grain ever seen, updates at 10 to 15fps"
- IQ is not great, pixel count shows around 1440p but has a lot of break-up and aliasing
- Regular game play also has frame pacing issues
- Only a single 30fps mode.
- DF have not yet looked at the PC version but assume it will have the usual UE5 based PC trappings in terms of issues
Time stamped.
- Core visuals look better in terms of fidelity as the first game was an early PS4 title
- Lighting is often very different compared to the original
- Tech wise, not using Virtual Shadow Maps, Lumen reflections or GI, or if it is, it's not good quality (
SlimySnake
)- Pre-rendered cut-scenes have severe frame pacing. Oliver calls them "miserable".
- "Some of the ugliest film grain ever seen, updates at 10 to 15fps"
- IQ is not great, pixel count shows around 1440p but has a lot of break-up and aliasing
- Regular game play also has frame pacing issues
- Only a single 30fps mode.
- DF have not yet looked at the PC version but assume it will have the usual UE5 based PC trappings in terms of issues
Time stamped.
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bender
What time is it?
Except where it matters most.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Digital Foundry have a segment about it today and they say the release is problematic.
- Core visuals look better in terms of fidelity as the first game was an early PS4 title
- Lighting is often very different compared to the original
- Tech wise, not using Lumen reflections or GI, or if it is, it's not good quality (
- Pre-rendered cut-scenes have severe frame pacing. Oliver calls them "miserable".
- "Some of the ugliest film grain ever seen, updates at 10 to 15fps"
- IQ is not great, pixel count shows around 1440p but has a lot of break-up and aliasing
- Regular game play also has frame pacing issues
- Only a single 30fps mode.
- DF have not yet looked at the PC version but assume it will have the usual UE5 based PC trappings in terms of issues
Time stamped.
yeah i was just watching that segment. so stupid. you can see that the lumen GI is sorely missed here even in a game with static time of day because the baked lighting solution cant properly illuminate several different environments.
Someone in the Silent Hill 2 thread was saying everything should be baked. Well, here we go. you have a baked game and its not able to do bounce lighting correctly. And it still runs like shit.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
In this case it just seems like a small studio, lack of budget or talent etc. Cause I assumed the main reason this game was 30hz only was that it might be using all the UE5 features that specifically make it heavy in the first place. But it's not using a single one of them.
Nelly_Nel_7.1.3
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Are we pretending Ballistic Moon didn't have their staff cut a month before release?
While that doesn't mean lumen GI would have made the cut or a 60fps mode.
The only real problems with the remake could have been ironed out during that time frame and people are shitting on them because of it.
it isn't even that bad outside the Pre-rendered cut-scene and even Silent Hill 2 Remake has got consistent frame drops and graphics bugs that are more noticeable.
Yeah but we both know we all gonna turn it off anyway, kinda funny thing to be upset about when you think about it
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Staff being cut a month before release could possibly have effect on things like last minute QA or delay post-release patches, but barebones engine features like what parts of UE5 the game is using and what it isn't are probably something decided at a very early point in the games development, not in the final stretch.
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TGO
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True but some of the bugs and performance hitches could have been fixed
Btw may I ask what lumen GI would be used for.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Lumen GI is basically UE5's version of ray traced GI, so it'd be like that. More accurate lighting, light bounces etc. But it is also pretty heavy on the resources. So if this game is not getting a 100% lock on 30 without those Lumen features, with all of them, it'd probably be in the mid to low 20's a lot.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Easy solution gamers.
Don’t preorder games and don’t buy their cash grabs. They’ll do anything for a buck.
Just wait for reviews. And then decide if it’s worth buying.
Video games are one of the few industries that hype up marketing hoping you preorder games or buy them blind. The last thing they want is you - the gamer - waiting for reviews or when the game gets discounted.
And many don’t want to put out a demo because they know it’s a shit game. Again, they hope you forget about a demo like the 360/PS3 days and buy blind.
Don’t fall for it. Let’s the studios making junk disappear. If they don’t give a shit about re-releasing an old game at $60 putting in some quality improvements, then forget it and buy something else.
Don’t preorder games and don’t buy their cash grabs. They’ll do anything for a buck.
Just wait for reviews. And then decide if it’s worth buying.
Video games are one of the few industries that hype up marketing hoping you preorder games or buy them blind. The last thing they want is you - the gamer - waiting for reviews or when the game gets discounted.
And many don’t want to put out a demo because they know it’s a shit game. Again, they hope you forget about a demo like the 360/PS3 days and buy blind.
Don’t fall for it. Let’s the studios making junk disappear. If they don’t give a shit about re-releasing an old game at $60 putting in some quality improvements, then forget it and buy something else.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
But it uses Ray tracing for that instead and Ray tracing is better at creating shadows from small objects and produces softer, more realistic shadows
Which is probably why they used it due to the character models.
In fact it would have been cheaper "performance wise" to use Lumen GI, correct?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Lumen is a form of ray tracing. Oliver, in the video, says that he doesn't think the game is using Lumen GI, or if it, it's not very good cause it doesn't work like how it should for indirect lighting.
Maybe the PC version has a more broader suite of quality options. Not sure.
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TGO
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Yeah I know, that's my point.
It doesn't use Lumen GI because it uses the more expensive Raytraying instead.
And Raytraying is Raytraying, there is no incorrect outcome with it, That's the point of it Raytraying.
And the PC versions Raytraying & HDR isn't working according to reports, so maybe that's what he is seeing.
Fake
Member
Yeah but we both know we all gonna turn it off anyway, kinda funny thing to be upset about when you think about it
To be honest the film grain is the least of the game problems.
Even the intro scene is like freezing 100% of the time. Oliver mention he tought his OLED tv is broken LOL.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I'm on chapter 5, and the intro is the only problem so far and it's pre-recorded so it's definitely a bug.
They should have done it in real-time because the Realtime graphics are definitely not a problem & the frame dips are that bad, regardless of people trying to downplay them
For anyone buying into the strange negativity...it really is your loss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Definitely replaying this on the Pro.
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Games of Today
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I know, it's horrid.
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