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[shubik]

The hate this is getting on Era for all the wrong reasons made me buy the game. Will come back latter with impressions. Thanks, Era.

Why is it getting hate?

 

[tommib]

Why is it getting hate?

White men team making game with Chinese characters.

 

[cormack12]

Why is it getting hate?

 

[shubik]

White men team making game with Chinese characters.

Ah, I see... Well is Forspoken also getting hate? Or is the other way around ok?

 

[SJRB]

Ah, I see... Well is Forspoken also getting hate? Or is the other way around ok?

Forspoken got a ton of hate because the main character is "too cliché" and a dev said the main character had a "hip-hoppy" walk, which is of course EXTREMELY racist against eh.. um... people.

Same as with Sifu though it's always the same virtue-signaling, lefty, more often than not white circlejerking bubble amplifying their own echo chamber to each other though, hardly worth mentioning.

Imagine working for years on a game, get great reviews only to have a bunch of cretins come out the woodwork calling you and your entire team white insensitive cultural appropriating racists because you made a kung fu game.

Unacceptable.

 

[shubik]

Forspoken got a ton of hate because the main character is "too cliché" and a dev said the main character had a "hip-hoppy" walk, which is of course EXTREMELY racist against eh.. um... people.

Same as with Sifu though it's always the same virtue-signaling, lefty, more often than not white circlejerking bubble amplifying their own echo chamber to each other though, hardly worth mentioning.

Imagine working for years on a game, get great reviews only to have a bunch of cretins come out the woodwork calling you and your entire team white insensitive cultural appropriating racists because you made a kung fu game.

Unacceptable.

At least they are consistent with their madness

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

Why is the game not available to play yet? I’m getting a timer still.

Has the timer expired? The early access also didn't unlock on midnight. And then they fucked up the early access.

 

[GymWolf]

Why is it getting hate?

I posted a link in pag 4, be ready to lose some brain cells.

 

[Martinski43]

I'm still on the fence about this. That 40 euro price tag is not doing the game any favors.

Is the combat Sekiro-style rhythm memory based inputs? Or is it a more punishing Arkham or Sleeping Dogs-style freeflow?

Similar ish .. but much harder coming from someone who can do pretty clean runs in Sekiro I get absolutely owned in the club level in this game.

 

[GymWolf]

Similar ish .. but much harder coming from someone who can do pretty clean runs in Sekiro I get absolutely owned in the club level in this game.

How so?

 

[Martinski43]

How so?

You are much more easily ganked by large gangs of enemies in this and they attack faster and more aggressive in this game I think. It’s not really possible to pull single enemies in this also so it’s very easy to get overwhelmed.

I also think the controls are much harder to learn and master and enemy attacks are harder to read to and they come out faster.

I wouldn’t get this game unless you enjoy bashing your head against a wall or is very good at beat ‘em ups in general. It’s a very frustrating and difficult game, much more so than Sekiro, Returnal, Metroid Dread or any similar tough games I’ve beaten.

 

[GymWolf]

You are much more easily ganked by large gangs of enemies in this and they attack faster and more aggressive in this game I think. It’s not really possible to pull single enemies in this also so it’s very easy to get overwhelmed.

I also think the controls are much harder to learn and master and enemy attacks are harder to read to and they come out faster.

I wouldn’t get this game unless you enjoy bashing your head against a wall or is very good at beat ‘em ups in general. It’s a very frustrating and difficult game, much more so than Sekiro, Returnal, Metroid Dread or any similar tough games I’ve beaten.

I'm probably gonna buy this during some heavy discount, i have too much to play for the next 2-3 months.

Thanks for the heads up, i'm kinda shit with beat em up but i like hard games and roguelites.

 

[Hobbygaming]

I'm in the museum at 23 after half a day of failing through the club. I don't know how some of you managed to beat the game already it's insanely hard. Sean boss last phase low sweep has zero tells, I still can't figure out which direction to wiggle the left stick to dodge effectively, does it even matter outside up / down for those attacks?

Overall it's INCREDIBLE, easy 9/10 for me if it wasn't for some camera issues and I still don't know how to AIM focus effect in crowds so I hit the right enemy with it. Most abilities are well, for the show I guess no idea how to incorporate them effectively... Other than that - wow. I thought it's gonna be good but not this good.

I agree with your points and once you master handling crowds, parrying, blocking and dodging you feel like a true badass in this game

 

[Hobbygaming]

You are much more easily ganked by large gangs of enemies in this and they attack faster and more aggressive in this game I think. It’s not really possible to pull single enemies in this also so it’s very easy to get overwhelmed.

I also think the controls are much harder to learn and master and enemy attacks are harder to read to and they come out faster.

I wouldn’t get this game unless you enjoy bashing your head against a wall or is very good at beat ‘em ups in general. It’s a very frustrating and difficult game, much more so than Sekiro, Returnal, Metroid Dread or any similar tough games I’ve beaten.

I think like with all games, the more you play, the better you become. Returnal is way easier than Sifu for me now

 

[FrankWza]

Why is the game not available to play yet? I’m getting a timer still.

You bought the regular and not the early access deluxe edition maybe? Try going to your library.

 

[Punished Miku]

Jesus christ these people can't enjoy anything...

[TheGamer, Written by Chan Khee Hoon] Sifu's Brawler Is A Soulless Caricature

I feel like this is an important article to read with regards to the issues plaguing the game. The full article is linked in the source section below. I also heavily recommend reading Chan's previous article regarding Sifu's development staff being all white folks, as their article here feels...

www.resetera.com

What a bunch of sad souls.

Video Games 1987

Wow, this game is pretty radical. Look, you can jump now!

Video Games 2022

If Miyamoto and the team behind this imperialist tour through white Europe diversified their team, then maybe they could have shown more than a surface level appreciation for cultural authenticity. People are not worthy of humanity or dignity in this tone-deaf tourism-de-force; shown living like animals without any possessions in their house, or even the ability to speak properly. Dehumanizing people to this degree is the kind of thing that led to the holocaust. Spoiler alert: but at the end, the game takes an unforgiveable turn as Link actually kills the only black man in the game, who is nothing more than an emotionless hyper-violent clone of Link; perpetuating the black-man-as-criminal tropes on a level not seen since Birth of a Nation.

 

[Superwave]

The game looks amazing and right up my alley but I think the price is a bit steep.

I understand there is replayability here but there isn't much content to the game. I feel like they have purposely held back half the game behind a DLC paywall.. Great game or not, I don't like their intentions, especially at this price. At least at this price have a day 1 physical release, not 3 months later. It's a pass for me until it goes on sale.

Is there actually missing content?

tbh these days I put games into the "good" and "not good" column. If it's good then it is worth whatever the asking price is.

 

[Martinski43]

This is one game I wish you could tune the damage output and how much you take because the difficulty of the enemies in this game is overtuned imo.

They are aggressive as fuck and deal crazy damage.

 

[Punished Miku]

This is one game I wish you could tune the damage output and how much you take because the difficulty of the enemies in this game is overtuned imo.

They are aggressive as fuck and deal crazy damage.

I've literally died from 1 kick after I was in my 50s. I guess they're going for realism lol.

 

[tommib]

Ok I finished the first level and I’m now dreading the club because of the posts in here.

 

[Punished Miku]

Ok I finished the first level and I’m now dreading the club because of the posts in here.

Just go back and play level 1 again for a while lol.

 

[tommib]

Just go back and play level 1 again for a while lol.

I was going to do that but it says I’ll lose all my progress?

 

[Punished Miku]

I was going to do that but it says I’ll lose all my progress?

You will, but that's normal. Basically you want to get as close as you can get to beating level 1 flawlessly. While you do that, just invest all your XP into 1 skill at a time and you'll keep them permanently.

When you feel you're at a decent age on level 1, then play level 2 and if you die you restart as many times as you want from the level 2 age you started at. And even then, you give up and replay stage 1 again anytime and just redo it with all your permanent skills saved.

After a while level 1 is not a concern at all and you can run through it without hardly dying, just for fun and xp.

Once you start getting to level 3 and on ward, then don't go back until you're ready to totally restart.

 

[tommib]

You will, but that's normal. Basically you want to get as close as you can get to beating level 1 flawlessly. While you do that, just invest all your XP into 1 skill at a time and you'll keep them permanently.

When you feel you're at a decent age on level 1, then play level 2 and if you die you restart as many times as you want from the level 2 age you started at. And even then, you give up and replay stage 1 again anytime and just redo it with all your permanent skills saved.

After a while level 1 is not a concern at all and you can run through it without hardly dying, just for fun and xp.

Once you start getting to level 3 and on ward, then don't go back until you're ready to totally restart.

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

Ok I finished the first level and I’m now dreading the club because of the posts in here.

 

[GHG]

The game looks amazing and right up my alley but I think the price is a bit steep.

I understand there is replayability here but there isn't much content to the game. I feel like they have purposely held back half the game behind a DLC paywall.. Great game or not, I don't like their intentions, especially at this price. At least at this price have a day 1 physical release, not 3 months later. It's a pass for me until it goes on sale.

Just got it for about $17 on the EGS using the coupon. Might be largely thanks to regional pricing though.

Worth looking in to if you have at least a half decent PC.

 

[vpance]

I'm still on the fence about this. That 40 euro price tag is not doing the game any favors.

Is the combat Sekiro-style rhythm memory based inputs? Or is it a more punishing Arkham or Sleeping Dogs-style freeflow?

Some comment I read said it reminded them of God Hand. No idea if that's accurate or not.

 

[Punished Miku]

Some comment I read said it reminded them of God Hand. No idea if that's accurate or not.

The dodging is a bit like that. It's like Godhand + Arkham Asylum.

 

[EviLore]

Some comment I read said it reminded them of God Hand. No idea if that's accurate or not.

Yeah, it's a bit like God Hand crossed with Sekiro.

 

[manfestival]

Not the kinda game I care to play myself but... been watching people play it on twitch and it is very cool. Some of these fights... absolutely pain to deal with.

 

[CheshirexChrono]

I've been playing the last couple of days and I have to admit, it's hard to put down. It's extremely intuitive yet punishing as hell. The club level is hard but moreso it's - dare I say it - a test to see if you're paying attention to your skill set as well as the skill set of your opponent.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

OMG i remember this gif from wayyyyyyyyyyyy back, i don't even remember why/when it was first used!! LOL

 

[SLB1904]

I'm getting my ass kicked. I'm 60 years old and only beat the second boss. Love the combat so many possibilities

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

I'm 60 years old and only beat the second boss.

It's nice to hear that the older generation is also trying these youthful games.

 

[vpance]

Looks like the game is about 6-8 hrs for the first completion if you're experienced at action/fighting games.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

Just bought this game and played the intro. Already impressed by the DualSense

I suck at those kind of games but I was too intrigued by the concept. Hopefully they add "accessibility" options later lol

They can disable trophies and give me a "little bitch" tag I don't care

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

The game is so brutal. You can really see when your concentration subsides.

 

[FrankWza]

Just bought this game and played the intro. Already impressed by the DualSense

I suck at those kind of games but I was too intrigued by the concept. Hopefully they add "accessibility" options later lol

They can disable trophies and give me a "little bitch" tag I don't care

In the spirit of Oldboy, there should be a

Spoiler

You fucked your self trophy

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

This is so tempting…

But going to wait for a sale or used copy. Don’t want to spend $40 when so many other good games are coming out in the next 2 weeks

 

[Fbh]

Man my internet at home is busted (as always). Will take my laptop to work tomorrow to download it there.

White men team making game with Chinese characters.

Western people on Twitter: Noooo you can't make games about asian cultures if you aren't asian, it's wrong and offensive.

Meanwhile in japan:

 

[Strider Highwind]

First run a little over 4 hours, second run I beat it at 3 hours and 2 minutes and finished before hitting age 40. Ima try one more time to finish it before hitting 30 then im practically done with it for good lol
I saw a speed runner beat it in 40 mins lol

 

[Superwave]

I saw a speed runner beat it in 40 mins lol

No deaths, age 20.

Can't be that hard

 

[RiccochetJ]

Isn't your profile pic from Returnal? The progression in Sifu sounds like almost every Roguelike ever made; they just put a unique spin on it. Heck, it sounds like they throw you a bone where you can start a level where they saved your last best run for you.

 

[Strider Highwind]

No deaths, age 20.

Can't be that hard

Damn! His dodges on the 2nd boss are amazing lol, this you???? This is crazy now im gonna go play it right away i was gone give it a few days off lol

 

[iHaunter]

Interesting, ok. I loved Returnal but it took a bit of time. Almost quit it three times, and was incredibly glad when I stuck it out. I've decided to get this one as well.

Returnal was my GOTY. And I really liked Rift Apart. That 3rd boss ALONE is one of the best boss of any game.

 

[luffie]

You are much more easily ganked by large gangs of enemies in this and they attack faster and more aggressive in this game I think. It’s not really possible to pull single enemies in this also so it’s very easy to get overwhelmed.

I also think the controls are much harder to learn and master and enemy attacks are harder to read to and they come out faster.

I wouldn’t get this game unless you enjoy bashing your head against a wall or is very good at beat ‘em ups in general. It’s a very frustrating and difficult game, much more so than Sekiro, Returnal, Metroid Dread or any similar tough games I’ve beaten.

Yes it's hard and the attacks have lesser telegraph to them, but the patterns are also more limited. For crowds you need to fight differently than most action games, utilize the environment to the max. Most probably you are only moving a little, their environment is big enough.

You need to leap around ledges the separate them, and move around and kick things. When you leap on ledges, you have iframes, alone they are not that hard to deal. Most weaving is just weave downwards, just eat the lower swipe unblockable.

If you block and see another incoming, you can weave down that incoming and counter them, or you can block the 1st guy attack and dodge the 2nd one for safety. It's hard, but manageable.

 

[Martinski43]

what’s wrong with the L1 dodge in this game? Just me or is does it just feel off and really bad..? More than half of the time my character will just stand there taking hits instead.. I don’t get this fucking game.

 

[SLB1904]

No deaths, age 20.

Can't be that hard

The way he dosges every attack. I dodge one and get hit by the the other 3. Sigh

 

[Martinski43]

Just wish the enemies weren’t so hyper aggressive and ruthless in pursuit also.. fucking lol they just go fucking ham on yo ass

 

[Justin9mm]

Is there actually missing content?

tbh these days I put games into the "good" and "not good" column. If it's good then it is worth whatever the asking price is.

I have no proof there is, it's just my hunch after 30+ years of gaming. The length of 5 levels feels a bit off to me.

There was some post by the dev when people could not download the 48 hour early access due to PlayStation store issues and they made comment to the effect of more than making it up to them later. That smells like extra content to me.