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[reksveks]

Source: https://t.co/hhxNrlbOVk

Ownership
Kadokawa 60.04%
Tencent 16.25%
Sony 14.09%

Surprised that Bandai didn't jump in given comments last week. It does give From a rough value of 120bn jpy.

On the last paragraph, it seems there is a bit more info

Got from IBF which got it from Era. Read into that use-case how you want but sounds like they want to have more control of their own IP.

 

[Carter Burke]

Sony is a ridiculous company. Do you remember when Kadokawa bought From for a pittance?
The same happened to Atlus.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

That's some petty catfighting.

Let Kadokawa own it and leave them in peace.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I do not get why you would want to have 14% of FROM… it does not protect someone like MS coming in and buying them, it does not give you much control… then again, if both Sony and Tencent did not want MS to get FROM any deal would be dead in the wasted… enemy of my enemy is my friend?

 

[DenchDeckard]

Well atleast they've bought something of From... no where near what people were hoping but I doubt Sony would get majority if tencent is interested.

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

Fuck these Chinese companies buying up *any* of these devs.

 

[Elios83]

Interesting, so an other round of investements/acquisitions has happened or is happening at Sony.
Square Enix stated they're looking to sell stakes in their studios as well...and this is precisely that formula

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

At least we know one Japanese company PlayStation wants to own.

They could invest more in the future for sure. This isn't over.

 

[I'm nobody]

Is this on top of this or separate
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pl...awa-corporation-sony-cyberagent-alliance/amp/

 

[I'm nobody]

At least we know one Japanese company PlayStation wants to own.

They could invest more in the future for sure. This isn't over.

Highly likely Sony will gain controlling stake

 

[Airbus Jr]

Sony need to buy majority stakes and make bloodborne 2 happens

 

[reksveks]

Highly likely Sony will gain controlling stake

Why not Tencent?

 

[Fahdis]

Meh.

 

[Wohc]

Somehow reads like "the vultures are already circling".

 

[reksveks]

Is this on top of this or separate
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pl...awa-corporation-sony-cyberagent-alliance/amp/

Different but related entities afaik so it's separate. It all rather weird.

 

[Topher]

That's some petty catfighting.

Let Kadokawa own it and leave them in peace.

What are you talking about? Kadokawa is the one selling these shares.

 

[MOTM]

Highly likely Sony will gain controlling stake

Mind sharing what info or data points to Sony being highly likely to gain a controlling stake?

 

[reksveks]

The real question is what is Tencent endgame here?

 

[lh032]

well, at least it makes it harder for Micro.. cough cough other companies to acquire FROM.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Mind sharing what info or data points to Sony being highly likely to gain a controlling stake?

Cos they just bought 14,1%? Probably gona go further?

After elden ring huge numbers will be a good financial decision ( they already have demon souls and bloodborne before)

 

[Wohc]

The real question is what is Tencent endgame here?

Being bought by Microsoft

 

[reksveks]

Being bought by Microsoft

Yeah, that one ain't likely

 

[Meicyn]

The real question is what is Tencent endgame here?

To make money.

 

[reksveks]

To make money.

Obviously but how?

There is a difference in methodology between Tencent investing in a company and the Saudi investment fund.

 

[Godot25]

At least we know one Japanese company PlayStation wants to own.

They could invest more in the future for sure. This isn't over.

Highly likely Sony will gain controlling stake

If you think they can overspend Tencent, you can prepare for a rude awakening.

 

[fermcr]

"Tencent 16.25%"

Sony fanboys should be more worried of Tencent then Microsoft.

BTW, didn't the Japanese government kind of frown upon foreign companies acquiring Japanese companies?

 

[SLB1904]

That's some petty catfighting.

Let Kadokawa own it and leave them in peace.

Lmfao.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

What are you talking about? Kadokawa is the one selling these shares.

From what I see, both buyers seem desperate.

 

[Aenima]

From what I see, both buyers seem desperate.

Its called making investments. You should google it.

 

[Three]

"Tencent 16.25%"

Sony fanboys should be more worried of Tencent then Microsoft.

BTW, didn't the Japanese government kind of frown upon foreign companies acquiring Japanese companies?

Why should they be afraid of Tencent? They (Tencent) already owned around 7% of the majority holder Kadokawa.

 

[Lunarorbit]

Fuck these Chinese companies buying up *any* of these devs.

Yup. I don't trust tencent or the Saudis when it comes to maintaining any integrity in our industry. I'll beat this drum to the end of days.

 

[GymWolf]

14% of bloodborne 2 is still better than 0% of bloodborne 2.

 

[Chukhopops]

Yup. I don't trust tencent or the Saudis when it comes to maintaining any integrity in our industry. I'll beat this drum to the end of days.

At least with Tencent PC ports of From games are guaranteed, they care about making the highest return and nothing else.

 

[3liteDragon]

 

[IAmAnAgnostic]

Yup. I don't trust tencent or the Saudis when it comes to maintaining any integrity in our industry. I'll beat this drum to the end of days.

No offense, but what current integrity? What are they going to change? Add Chinese and Saudi flags to be bowed at? Other than that, can't really be worse tbh.

 

[BabyYoda]

The real question is what is Tencent endgame here?

Probably the same as the CCP's (is their a distinction), world domination.

 

[lh032]

understandable, since Bandai Namco owns most IP, i think FROM didnt own any valuable IP.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Makes sense. That also explains why Bandai Namco was talking about industry consolidation last week.

The writing is on the wall somehow

 

[lh032]

That's some petty catfighting.

Let Kadokawa own it and leave them in peace.

im pretty sure Sony/Tencent did not point a gun to Kadokawa to force an investment.

 

[8BiTw0LF]

At least with Tencent PC ports of From games are guaranteed, they care about making the highest return and nothing else.

No offense, but what current integrity? What are they going to change? Add Chinese and Saudi flags to be bowed at? Other than that, can't really be worse tbh.

Yes.
Chinese companies have been buying up US, Europe and Saudi companies for the past 40 years and haven't changed a thing for the companies.
China is about profit and nothing else. Their in-land companies are tightly monitored, cause they're running a country with 2 billion citizens. They don't want to change cultures in other countries where they buy companies or stocks in companies.

 

[Pejo]

After the success of Elden Ring, you just knew there'd be greedy vultures circling. I hate this acquisition era of gaming.

 

[kyliethicc]

understandable, since Bandai Namco owns most IP, i think FROM didnt own any valuable IP.

FromSoft
- Sekiro IP
- Armored Core IP

Bandai Namco
- Elden Ring IP
- Dark Souls IP

Sony
- Bloodborne IP
- Demon’s Souls IP
- Déraciné IP

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Can't believe From is only worth a billion dollars. I guess it's because they barely own any IP.

 

[lh032]

FromSoft
- Sekiro IP
- Armored Core IP

Bandai Namco
- Elden Ring IP
- Dark Souls IP

Sony
- Bloodborne IP
- Demon’s Souls IP
- Déraciné IP

wait, i thought Activision owns Sekiro IP?
And about armored core IP..i dont know though....to me its always a niche market IP.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Can't believe From is only worth a billion dollars. I guess it's because they barely own any IP.

Yup. Sony owns Demon's Souls and Bloodborne. I have no idea if Namco Bandai doesn't own the Elden Ring IP as well.

They are cheap like Insomniac was cheap as hell back then as well for that reason.

But Japanese companies seem to be cheaper overall, isn't Capcom and Square-Enix worth around 5b each? Look how many IPs both have...
I know if one company would acquire one of these, they would have to pay more than this, but it's still crazy to me.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

BTW, didn't the Japanese government kind of frown upon foreign companies acquiring Japanese companies?

It really depends on the company. There's a three-tier system where companies are ranked regarding their importance to national security. Sony, for example, is in the third tier, which means it's basically impossible for a foreign investor to buy them. Kadokawa is in the second tier.

 

[3liteDragon]

wait, i thought Activision owns Sekiro IP?
And about armored core IP..i dont know though....to me its always a niche market IP.

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[Airbus Jr]

After the success of Elden Ring, you just knew there'd be greedy vultures circling. I hate this acquisition era of gaming.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

i'm going to be pissed if From Software games become PS exclusive. they can have demon souls and bloodborne but if new stuff is exclusive then fuck that.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

i'm going to be pissed if From Software games become PS exclusive. they can have demon souls and bloodborne but if new stuff is exclusive then fuck that.

At the worst they might become console exclusive, though I doubt it. They'll always be on PC day one.