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[James Sawyer Ford]

We have a deal


Lets say Sony wants to release a handheld along with PS6 then. They have two options:

* ARM device: like Switch/Switch 2. Very different architecture than x86 handhelds like the Deck or Aly, and consoles like the PS5. Developers will have to make specific ports for it like they are doing for the Switch 2. Scalability wont be so simple. If you have Cyberpunk on your PS6, they would have to charge you for the handheld port, cause it would cost them. Many games for the PS6 wouldnt be also present on the handheld.

* x86 device: now why would they do that? The x86 handheld market is way too crowded right now. The appeal would be being able to play PS6 games on the go? Sure. But you probably wouldnt be able to play Steam games and emulators like other handhelds. It would probably be limited to PS6 games. It would be very niche. They are porting their games to PC i a short time after release now, so you would be able to play their games with other devices anyway.

Selling their software on PC/Switch 2 would basically be free money for them. Easiest business decision they could make, instead of spending tons of money on R&D for another failed handheld device.

I don't see what x86 vs ARM has to do with anything. They will go with x86 for ease of porting from their console versions.

I'm not sure what your point is about this. The PS6 handheld is not designed to play Steam games or third party homebrew emulators....it's designed to play PS6 games.

 

[Hugare]

I don't see what x86 vs ARM has to do with anything. They will go with x86 for ease of porting from their console versions.

I'm not sure what your point is about this. The PS6 handheld is not designed to play Steam games or third party homebrew emulators....it's designed to play PS6 games.

If they go with x86, they will face the problems that I've mentioned.

"It's designed to play PS6 games". Yeah, like the Steam Deck and any other x86 device today that werent designed to play PS5 games, and yet play Spider-Man 2, Returnal and more.

If they keep porting PS6 games to Steam like they are doing with PS5 games, this handheld will be worthless. The competition will play those games and more

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

If you think extra storage is hella expensive for the Switch 2, brace yourselves for Sony’s take on it.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

If they go with x86, they will face the problems that I've mentioned.

"It's designed to play PS6 games". Yeah, like the Steam Deck and any other x86 device today that werent designed to play PS5 games, and yet play Spider-Man 2, Returnal and more.

If they keep porting PS6 games to Steam like they are doing with PS5 games, this handheld will be worthless. The competition will play those games and more

I don't understand what you're arguing. You're all over the map. What does STEAM have to do with a Playstation 6 handheld?

 

[onQ123]

psychologically, that's actutally a thing,
I'll share 2 little tech storyies
Back in the early 80s texas instruments and commodore were in a price ware between the entry level computers the vic 20 vs the ti-99/4a
the ti-99/4a was a better machine, more ram, faster CPU, better graphics etc, but by constantly price dropping to chase the vic, consumers began to assume there was something wrong with the computers, and it killed the 99/4a
I forget the company (I think interplay but might be wrong) but one of the PC heavy publishers in the late 80's/early 90s gave an interview, one of the question was why do you charge such high prices on your PC games compared to the Nintendo games when manufacturing costs are so much lower or why they didn't do shareware like apogee, the answer was their games are viewed as premium products, they need to be priced accordingly,

I'm not even surprised it's actually what's going on with Smartphones today people really be thinking they're better than other people because they paid more for a smartphone even when they are too dumb to even use all the features.

 

[Hugare]

I don't understand what you're arguing. You're all over the map. What does STEAM have to do with a Playstation 6 handheld?

Jesus man, dont want to sound rude, but use your brain. Whats so hard to understand?

If Sony keeps porting their games to Steam, PS6 games will be playable on any x86 device. So whats the appeal of having an official PS6 handheld that only plays PS6 games when other devices would also be able to play said games through Steam?

 

[Killer8]

It's not an artificial division. Sony is asking feedback on their HANDHELD because Sony is pretty much confirmed at this point to be RELEASING A HANDHELD.

The narrative that's always pushed, in order to not recognize Nintendo as the dominant company in the market, is that Sony and Nintendo are not really in competition because they're catering to different markets. I'm saying that is, and always has been, a bogus compartmentalization. The market is the market and they all compete for people's time and money.

So it's an artificial division for not only that reason, but also because the Switch is a HYBRID and not a HANDHELD. Switch serves the function of both a console and a handheld, which is part of the reason why it ended up being such a curveball. People need to stop acting as if Switch is the handheld to PlayStation the console. It's both.

Sony does not once say in their survey anything about handhelds (they even refer to it as the "Nintendo Switch 2 console"). It's a generalized survey to put a finger on the pulse of what people think about the device, in order to inform how they might approach their own future device strategy.

At this point in time we have no clue what the new Sony handheld* will be (*and i'm referring to the new device as this strictly for the sake of convenience). Will it be handheld-only like a Vita, or a Switch-style hybrid? If it's the former, good luck to Sony for misreading the market - based on the questions being asked in the survey, I don't think they will make this mistake. If it's the latter, that's just further confirmation that Nintendo are the leader and Sony, like usual, want to emulate some of their success.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Jesus man, dont want to sound rude, but use your brain. Whats so hard to understand?

If Sony keeps porting their games to Steam, PS6 games will be playable on any x86 device. So whats the appeal of having an official PS6 handheld that only plays PS6 games when other devices would also be able to play said games through Steam?

Take some of your own advice. You act like there's not 120M monthly active playstation users that have huge libraries ONLY on playstation. The steam deck has NOTHING to do with the PS6 Handheld. I am not buying a Steam Deck because I don't have ANY STEAM GAMES.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The narrative that's always pushed, in order to not recognize Nintendo as the dominant company in the market, is that Sony and Nintendo are not really in competition because they're catering to different markets. I'm saying that is, and always has been, a bogus compartmentalization. The market is the market and they all compete for people's time and money.

So it's an artificial division for not only that reason, but also because the Switch is a HYBRID and not a HANDHELD. Switch serves the function of both a console and a handheld, which is part of the reason why it ended up being such a curveball. People need to stop acting as if Switch is the handheld to PlayStation the console. It's both.

Sony does not once say in their survey anything about handhelds (they even refer to it as the "Nintendo Switch 2 console"). It's a generalized survey to put a finger on the pulse of what people think about the device, in order to inform how they might approach their own future device strategy.

At this point in time we have no clue what the new Sony handheld* will be (*and i'm referring to the new device as this strictly for the sake of convenience). Will it be handheld-only like a Vita, or a Switch-style hybrid? If it's the former, good luck to Sony for misreading the market - based on the questions being asked in the survey, I don't think they will make this mistake. If it's the latter, that's just further confirmation that Nintendo are the leader and Sony, like usual, want to emulate some of their success.

Seems like the only narratives being pushed or those by insecure fans of a certain red system that seem like Nintendo is the market leader in some arbitrary market, despite the fact that there's significant divergence in audiences across platforms and they cater to different types of crowds.

Nintendo does not generate the most platform revenue across the entire ecosystem, so they therefore cannot be the market leader.

Their handheld will not be a hybrid. They will have a PS6 console and a PS6 handheld. But unlike the Vita, scalability is no longer a factor. It's that simple. You're reading way too much into this.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

Judging from the posts of the average PS owner in here, I would expect everyone replying to that survey with the utmost disdain.
I can imagine people legitimately suspecting that, if they express the slightest interest in Switch 2, Sony is going to lock them out of content and services and make digital games and PS+ subscriptions more expensive for them, in retaliation for their lack of faith.

 

[Little Chicken]

PlayStation's success is built on the reactionary mimicry of more innovative competitors.

 

[Topher]

PlayStation's success is built on the reactionary mimicry of more innovative competitors.

Hmm

Microsoft wants to know which gaming handhelds you're using and if you think you'll buy another one within the next five years — are we getting an Xbox handheld soon?

The same survey also asks what motivated you to buy a gaming handheld and how important Xbox Game Pass and cloud gaming are for these devices.

www.windowscentral.com

 

[Gojiira]

They've only just managed to copy the WiiU with their portal, they aren't innovating anything in this field.

Oh please, The Vita could do the same years ago, long before Switch.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

PlayStation's success is built on the reactionary mimicry of more innovative competitors.

Like who? Sony is the only one innovating in the console space with things like their controllers, and it's not like a handheld is innovative. The concept isn't exactly new, Chicken.

 

[DryvBy]

"What should we copy for our clone in 5 or 6 years"

They should copy voice chat. Oh, wait.

They should copy online gameplay. Oh, wait.

They should copy ray tracing. Oh, wait.

They should copy 4k resolution. Oh, wait.

Copying Nintendo is like being in 10th grade and copying your homework from 4 years ago.

 

[Hugare]

Take some of your own advice. You act like there's not 120M monthly active playstation users that have huge libraries ONLY on playstation. The steam deck has NOTHING to do with the PS6 Handheld. I am not buying a Steam Deck because I don't have ANY STEAM GAMES.

Sure, I see the appeal if it has backwards compatibility with PS4/PS5 games in your library.

That's the only reason why someone who isnt an absolute fanboy would buy it. It will live or die on this alone.

I dont trust current Sony with smart business choices, tho

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Sure, I see the appeal if it has backwards compatibility with PS4/PS5 games in your library.

That's the only reason why someone who isnt an absolute fanboy would buy it. It will live or die on this alone.

I dont trust current Sony with smart business choices, tho

Yeah, don't trust Sony for making good business decisions when their business has never been healthier.

Even if you remove PS4/PS5 games, the ability to play most PS6 games going forward has huge appeal being able to buy on their PS6 and cross-play on their PS6 handheld without an additional charge. That has nothing to do with being a fanboy. People have their preferred ecosystems of where they play games, and Sony has 120M of them every month.

 

[Sebastian1295]

They've only just managed to copy the WiiU with their portal, they aren't innovating anything in this field.

Nobody has copied the most embarrassing console of all time with the worst gimmick ever implemented.

 

[Loxus]

Console ps6 gonna have minimum of 220-250W tdp bro, they need to make it at least 3x stronger from base ps5/2x stronger from ps5pr0 before ai upscaling/rt so they will need every bit of powerdraw they can get, and im talking 3nm tsmc process node here.
Just check out that short 7min vid, check later part too for increased powerdraw :

ps5pr0 powerdraw already peaks at 240W, much more powerful ps6 wont eat less

Edit: Still plenty time till holidays 2028 so likely ps6 launch, both sony and amd got plenty time left to make it happen and so far they are right on path to get there.
Proof is amd's newest rdna4 offering, rx 9070 non xt(so 10% weaker from their xt version), 16gigs of vram on board, 220W tdp and its over 2x powerful vs base ps5 gpu while having much improved ai upscaling and rt capabilities, keep in mind thats on tsmc 4n process(aka 5nm), next node(3nm) that will become useable in 2027 will be visibly more powerefficient even.

AMD Radeon RX 9070 Specs

AMD Navi 48, 2520 MHz, 3584 Cores, 224 TMUs, 128 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2518 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

My idea is when the handheld is docked, it works in SLI and total power draw is 225W or possibly higher.
45 + 180 = 225W

SLI was designed to combine the processing power of multiple GPUs into a single, virtual graphics unit.

 

[PeteBull]

My idea is when the handheld is docked, it works in SLI and total power draw is 225W or possibly higher.
45 + 180 = 225W

SLI was designed to combine the processing power of multiple GPUs into a single, virtual graphics unit.

Intresting idea just SLI means connect 2 exactly same gpus, and even back when it was viable, frametimes were nasty on all the SLI configs

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Just bring my Gravity Rush games to Nintendo Switch 2

 

[Loxus]

I don't think it's a decision to choose between ARM or X86, but to use both at the same time.

This leak, which I believe to be partially true.
Shows:
CPU: ARM64 vs x64 (Zen 6)
CPU: Balance of Big / Little CPU Cores

This is most likely Microsoft using their own approach to Apple's big / little cores.

As seen below:
P-cores = Zen6 cores
E-cores = ARM64 cores

 

[Skifi28]

PlayStation's success is built on the reactionary mimicry of more innovative competitors.

That's an interesting take considering the very existence of Xbox is owed to Playstation and the fear it instilled to a few MS executives about how losing the living room would eventually lead to losing the office and Windows. Xbox itself is reactionary mimicry, but you seem to love the brand all the same.

 

[darrylgorn]

Well at least adamsapple enjoys a break for the next few months.

 

[Miles708]

'You're gonna be cool if we raise our game prices to $80, right?'

Exactly, so the answers to the pool should be smart too.

 

[Moses85]

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Stop worrying about what other companies are doing, start worrying about how much time and money you wasted this gen on live service trash

 

[FalsettoVibe]

PSP and PSvita are portable, and stop acting like base Nintendo Switch was release this week.
Just a few seconds on Google will show you what year the hybrid you mention was release.

Let me help your confusion:




They are as afraid as their fanboys.

Did you mean to respond to me? Cause I'm confused as to how that response relates to what I said and was responding to.

 

[Kacho]

If Sony puts out a hybrid with good Japanese software I’ll bite

 

[Closer]

They should name it the PSP 360.

PS Series P

 

[reinking]

Nevermind.

 

[Ceadeus]

Would be a good moment for PSP2

 

[awwr999999]

If you think extra storage is hella expensive for the Switch 2, brace yourselves for Sony’s take on it.

They could avoid the storage issue entirely just by using existing platforms with hard constraints.
PlayStation could make a modern handheld for their existing PS2 and PS1 platforms.
70GB of storage would hold more than 14 regular PS2 (4.5GB) games, 7 big PS2 games (8.5GB) or over 100 PS1(660MB) games.
People already love PS2 games and, unlike Nintendo, Sony could easily make a TV/monitor that works with them at their native resolution.
That same Sony display would work with Switch, Switch 2 and all of Nintendo's EOL legacy consoles.

 

[MacReady13]

'You're gonna be cool if we raise our game prices to $80, right?'

I don’t get this. In Australia, some PlayStation games on PSN are worth $124.95 which equates to US dollars $75.13. So Sony have been fucking us in Australia from the start and no one here complains. We wait for sales or if desperate enough we buy day 1. Or we buy physical. I cannot believe the blow up this has caused and all cause the Americans are paying a little bit more when they have been paying less for other games from other companies for a long time.

Christ back in the N64 days we were paying over $120 for games in the mid to late 90’s! We are paying $114 for Mario Kart physical and $104 for Donkey Kong physical, which is $68.54 USD for Mario Kart and $62.53 USD for Donkey Kong. These are far higher than what we are currently paying for Switch games but I don’t see meltdowns here in Australia. Just buy the games you want and skip the ones you don’t. You don’t need to own every game released! This is a hobby, not a necessity. Skip the games and Nintendo might realise sales aren’t where they need them to be and drop prices.

By the way, this isn’t directed at you adamsapple, just the general discourse over Switch 2 prices is insane. Everything has gone up. Life is really tough. I’ve had to go without with a few things to manage a family of 4 kids 15 and under. That’s life. Switch 2 is a nice reprieve for me from the bullshit in life. I’m dying to play Mario Kart and Donkey Kong and later on Metroid Prime 4.

 

[Robb]

Bring on the next PSP! I’d be all over that.

 

[Hudo]

Cool, your collection will get way bigger fast once Sony does a hybrid

Why would I need 2 decks of Hanafuda cards, tho?