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Sony Land over? 360 #1 console in the UK
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Kleegamefan said:
I've been doing some outside research and I've found more evidence to cast doubt in NeoGAF's 'celebrated' numbers...
I don't really care if you say the numbers are scrutinized to 'death' before I became a member, because these sorts of numbers should ALWAYS be scrutinized. How long have you just been telling people, "We're right, don't question us"?
You cannot verify numbers by comparing set #1 versus set #2 on the internet, it's just not a valid verification.
The biggest mystery is it almost seems NeoGAF exists in a vacuum as far as sales numbers go. I don't see the stuff mentioned on NeoGAF ANYWHERE else in the games media or public discussion.
Honestly, it's not a huge deal, but I've seen too much evidence to the contrary for everything sales-wise said here to be true.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
doicare said:
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not to mention the sales ARE tracked by people. We don't know who exactly, but there are a few people who keep track of stats that have made themselves known -- who knows how many are keeping track of them that don't post or something like that.
besides, when Sony/MS/Nintendo tell us what they shipped (or by some miracle, sold) then we compare it to LTD numbers and stuff that the people have been tracking, and most of the time it matches up.
why the **** do we need to justify these numbers threads to begin with?
I understand, but it also brings more questions to the validity of the sales information posted anywhere. NPD numbers are sometimes brought up in some gaming media, but they never say the same things NeoGAF does.
On the side, I have a question that someone on GAF might know. What's with the story that Atari '2600' games used to sell 500k units, no matter what. I heard this in an interview with some Atari guys. Wouldn't that mean that games actually sold better back then than they've ever sold since?
On the side, I have a question that someone on GAF might know. What's with the story that Atari '2600' games used to sell 500k units, no matter what. I heard this in an interview with some Atari guys. Wouldn't that mean that games actually sold better back then than they've ever sold since?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
JDA said:
bring this up when an NPD thread comes around, not in a ChartTrack thread.
the credibility of THESE exact sales numbers should be questioned, because as far as i've seen in this thread, they aren't exactly verifiable. but NPD and Media Create are definitely a lot more verifiable.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
JDA said:
then you're not looking hard enough
Aika'svyse
Banned
I think the problem is that GAF just doesn't have enough data for enough countries.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
JDA said:
okay, look. Gaming media will not post these numbers because its ILLEGAL TO DO SO. You have to PAY for them.
here, i'll make it easy for you
October NPD:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128126&highlight=NPD
i dont get why you're making such a big stink about this anyway.
Fuzzy said:
I could search all day for the correct NPD post on this forum, could you give me any hints at all where to look besides just 'NPD', which I was searching a while ago.
Any specific users that post totals?
Even with a few numbers verified, it doesn't mean much for total credibility. If you have people close to Nintendo posting here they can be 100% correct with Nintendo's numbers, but otherwise you can't be sure of anything.
The Innocent X
Banned
Jokeropia said:
I`m a bit confused. Nintendo produced a factsheet that shows that NPD group sales data tally up with NPD group sales data?
Isn`t that like, well duh? Or have I missed something?
davepoobond said:
But they talk about sales numbers without context to the NPD, in stuff like podcasts, which I already said. I never hear anything like what's said here on said media sources.
I'm asking for this stuff because, frankly, it's info I've never heard before. I've been gaming for decades, and for as long as I've been on the net, I've followed gaming closely. I've been using that same 'knowledge' for what I've heard more recently, and just now I see these posts which go against everything I've heard.
To put it more clearly, the sources I've listened to are being challenged in these posts.
Green Biker Dude
Banned
JDA, have you ever heard of the user ioi? He got banned for derailing sales discussion threads. In fact, the discussions always started when his numbers got questioned.
You're doing the exact same thing, except you're questioning what's been always considered reliable sales figures. Your username has 3 characters too, how convenient.
I smell an e-revenge attempt.
You're doing the exact same thing, except you're questioning what's been always considered reliable sales figures. Your username has 3 characters too, how convenient.
I smell an e-revenge attempt.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
JDA said:
podcasts are not written numerical reports. they are more or less opinions, just like a forums such as neogaf is.
except the main difference is that they don't say how much each game earns in revenue. Gaming media is free to list a top 10/top 30, but they can't show exact NUMBERS unless the companies themselves say "we sold 1 million according to NPD" or some such thing. Gaming publishers pay NPD to be able to say those numbers and have them advertised.
what are they saying, exactly? GameCube sold 100 million consoles, Xbox only sold 1 million and the Xbox360 already has 10 miillion sold through?
Green Biker Dude said:
I think the mods could see that my IP is not the same, I've only ever had this name here.
"Always considered reliable" to the regulars on NeoGAF, that means nothing to those outside neoGAF...
Finally, I'm not derailing, I'm discussing sales in a sales thread.
I don't know why I bother, but:
Gamespot talks about September NPD numbers: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6159811.html?q=npd (they do this every month and so does ign)
Thread here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123743&highlight=september+npd
Gamespot talks about September NPD numbers: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6159811.html?q=npd (they do this every month and so does ign)
Thread here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123743&highlight=september+npd
davepoobond said:
I guess what confuses me is stuff like the 1up.com content (I also pay attention to Gamespot's content). Whatever you find there is what I've been hearing. Why I said some of the things I did was I know there's 1up.com staff here.
I'm not saying the media needs to put out private reports, but the commentary they make should reflect the reality, if it's real.
The Innocent X
Banned
JDA said:
Think of it like the music charts. They aren`t accurate, but they are mostly all you have (although personallyI`d rather have manufacturer shipped numbers as in business terms it means more). Of course they can be manipulated, and that may well be why those companies are in the NPD data are always given preferential treatment in the launch HW stakes over those who are not and are estimated.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Wow, a novel way to take a sales thread to hell, haven't seen this one yet.
For it's worth, I know some of the guys who leak the NPD data, and they do have access to it. And as far as I've checked against the stuff I see in work, it has been legit.
FFS, why is this even discussed? This forum has tens of people with access to the data, has it crossed your mind that someone would call foul if someone would skew the numbers... unless it's all a conspiracy omg
For it's worth, I know some of the guys who leak the NPD data, and they do have access to it. And as far as I've checked against the stuff I see in work, it has been legit.
FFS, why is this even discussed? This forum has tens of people with access to the data, has it crossed your mind that someone would call foul if someone would skew the numbers... unless it's all a conspiracy omg
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Chittagong said:
NPD doesn't exist.
JDA said:
Listen junior, multiple people have been tracking the data on these boards for years, and have used multiple sources including tracking data given publically by the likes of NPD and Media Create, and data released by insiders specifically on this board, and data given by news sites be they gaming sites like MCV or the wider media like Reuters or thestreet.com, and then all of that has been compared with the shipment data given by hardware providers.
Do you really think everyone has been just wasting their time for all these years without any consideration for the validity of the numbers? But since you asked you can compare: GAF and gamesindustry.biz or GAF and Gamasutra as two examples on top of how our totals match NPD figures given by Nintendo.
Rather than derailing threads and just throwing out wild accusations, how about you actually go to the effort of pointing out the specific data that you have that contradicts the data you see here. That would actually be welcome, assuming you actually have something, but either way you should put up or shut up.
KeithFranklin
Banned
Now that the thread has calmed down a bit a couple of thoughts.
I for one don't think this means MS will win in Europe. All this means is that Sony comments and others about the 360 falling on it's face in europe have to be taken with a grain of salt (And were talking the big Kosher salt, you know the good stuff.).
I for one don't think this means MS will win in Europe. All this means is that Sony comments and others about the 360 falling on it's face in europe have to be taken with a grain of salt (And were talking the big Kosher salt, you know the good stuff.).
charlequin
Banned
JDA said:
By all means, Señor, proceed to bedazzle and mightily ownz us all with this wonderful "evidence."
AdmiralViscen
Banned
JDA said:
Hey, how about
JDA said:
good advice.