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Sony on PS Plus Price Increase: We Want to Make PlayStation Plus Great
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DenchDeckard
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So, playstation plus and subscription services can be great if you charge the right money for it? I'm looking forward to seeing playstation plus step up. What's it take to get some more first party stuff on there? Communicate with your customers, give us a rough time frame on when first party games can be expected to hit the service.
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Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
I unsubbed for the first time in a half decade or so. Honesty just pushing me more and more to PC gaming.
coffinbirth
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That motherfucker said that specifically about those games.Well... I would... at least GT and GT2but my main point is about good newer games.
Sony's Jim Ryan comments on backwards compatibility: "why would anybody play this?"
Another concern occasionally raised by PlayStation devotees involves the company's once-ubiquitous PlayStation 2. While Sony has in recent years devoted resources to bringing a handful of popular older titles to the PlayStation 4, the better part of that library is lost to time. For now, it...
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Pasta la Vista
Member
Yeah im done with subbing to any of these subscrition models, I bought a year of the extra tier when I first got a PS5 but I ended up just playing and completing games I already own. Its just not worth it for me, there are more games that I own at this point than time left in my life to even complete.
balls of snow
Member
They need a 3rd party day 1 AAA title every 2 months to be worth the price hike.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Eric Lampel, while answering this:
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
If companies are f-ing you without consent or buying you dinner first whether they have a gamer t-shirt and they serve you platitudes about gaming together and everyone winning (cough… Phil Spencer… cough…) or are business dickheads the fundamental problem stays in either case.
Hypereides
Gold Member
That's some nice bullshit talking flying out of Eric Lempel. I'm sure the board of directors/management agrees the state on their bank accounts are getting much better.
They're probably feeling some pressure from their investment clientèle.
They're probably feeling some pressure from their investment clientèle.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Day 1 releases like GamePass does would kill game sales for their exclusives over time. MS has the money to attempt a huge loss leading strategy trying to essentially destroy other’s business model with something unsustainable before raising prices once they have a de facto monopoly, the other companies in the gaming world do not.
They need to justify value some other way. Maybe you get early access to games (which you keep if you buy the game), maybe something else… I am not their business development person so it is not my job to figure it out
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Lord Malachite
Member
To be reasonable, any benefits we see to PS+ as a result of the price increase will take the better part of a year or more to manifest. Things don't just magically improve because the price went up. There is plenty of reason to have doubts about PS+ becoming "great" as a result of these price hikes, but the real time to talk about the state of it will be next summer when we'll be nine months into the higher pricing and Sony will have had ample time to both unleash more first party games and, more importantly, make bigger deals with third party publishers to unleash a lot more titles onto the service. We will then have a very clear idea how much better--or not--PS+ has become since the price increase and that will be the time to either admit Sony was right...or raise our pitchforks at the them. I'm kind of looking forward to seeing how it all goes down and if we really do end up with a better PS+ or not.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Well if there's no sale this Black Friday I probably won't be renewing my extra sub and then I'll have to think quite a bit if the basic sub is worth it for me as I rarely play MP games anymore.
FingerBang
Member
I'm there with you. I might simply cancel my subscription after 10 years. Sad.
I'll settle for the removal of the 1000 objects limit that they have on Cloud Saves. Or up it significantly. How many gigabytes of saves doesn't matter when you can only have a limited number of files saved.
For those that have been around long enough, and have played enough games that have been less than careful with saves , it's fairly easy to hit that 1000 save objects mark.
For those that have been around long enough, and have played enough games that have been less than careful with saves , it's fairly easy to hit that 1000 save objects mark.
THE DUCK
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Man the whole "you don't own games" line is getting so old so fast. Do you say that every time you watch Netflix, Hulu, Disney plus, HBO max and go to a movie in.the theater?
It's fine you have your strategies to save money, but entertainment is entertainment.
Keeping in mind of course renting or subbing doesn't preclude someone from buying as well.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
They are not charging the same amount though, and they are offering more benefits.
- PS+ Premium: $160 per year.
- Game Pass Ultimate: $204 per year.
- PS+ also offers more games every month,
- Including retro games that GPU doesn't,
- Cloud streaming your own library that GPU doesn't,
- Bravia Core movies that GPU doesn't.
But, comparatively, PS+ does offer more at a lesser price.
Technically you are right. Game Pass Ultimate costs 179,88€ while PS Plus Premium costs 152€ per year. I will of course ignore fact that you can get GPU for way cheaper, because same can be true for PS Plus Premium
You can shove "more games" argument up your ass, because from what I noticed, PlayStation Plus tends to add games that are/were in Game Pass currently or previously and there are only few games that were in PS Plus but they are/were not on Game Pass (The Callisto Protocol, Saints Row). So it is basically byproduct of a fact that Game Pass is much older service then PS Plus Premium/Extra.
Of course main differentiator is day one first-party games. But not only them. Let's not forget that Game Pass added day one releases like Payday 3, Cocoon, Sea of Stars, Darktide, Party Animals, currently they added not so old Dead Space remake and F1 Manager 23. Also this year there was Atomic Heart, Wo Long, Exoprimal which more then made up for price difference. Sony had...Sea of Stars.
But it's funny. Instead of demanding better, people are singing kumbaya. But that's not my problem honestly. I'm using PS Plus Extra in the way it suits me. Subscribing one in a few months to play Sony first-party games and then unsubscribing. Because Game Pass is just plain better in every way for 25€ per year more.
N1tr0sOx1d3
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I’m all for companies making money (and reinvesting) but we’re deep into a cost of living crisis and are in a recession (although the government would have you believe otherwise). Right now increasing prices on practically any service is a brave step and dare I say it, completely insensitive.
If companies don’t offer much in the way of value, then companies shouldn’t expect loyalty nor expect anyone to spend their hard earned (harder to keep) money with them.
I for one have drastically cut down my spending with these companies, and I buy far more than I ever did in sales.
If companies don’t offer much in the way of value, then companies shouldn’t expect loyalty nor expect anyone to spend their hard earned (harder to keep) money with them.
I for one have drastically cut down my spending with these companies, and I buy far more than I ever did in sales.
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Salmon Snake
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StealthGoblin
Banned
This is an indication that even without paying through the nose for day and date titles or even launching their own games in on day one - running these services is expensive as hell and especially so if cloud is baked in.
I get a lot of value out of Extra and Premium (and when you run the numbers almost everyone does) but the competition for time divides that value down.
I get a lot of value out of Extra and Premium (and when you run the numbers almost everyone does) but the competition for time divides that value down.
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Badlucktroll
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Wonder how much the subs will be on black friday, i usually renew then
StealthGoblin
Banned
Yeah that won't pay for that.
Even Microsoft aren't doing AAA games on that cadence from 3rd parties (at least worthwhile ones).
Sony want PlayStation Plus to pull its own weight and they won't be subsidising it.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Don't forget that GPU also offers access to EA Play, a library for PC gamers and game streaming to non-console devices. Whether that equates to additional value is subjective, but there's more on offer than your list mentions.
killatopak
Gold Member
Thanks Sony.
I'll continue to do my part by not subscribing.
I'll continue to do my part by not subscribing.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
This is simply not true. Both PS+ and Game Pass often add games that leave the other service.
Game Pass does add more day-one games. But saying "Sony had ... Sea of Stars" as if that is the only day-one game they ever added is absolutely incorrect.
Have you forgotten games like Humanity, Stray, Rogue Legacy 2, Arcadegeddon, Moving Out 2, etc. Next month, Teardown will also launch on day one on PS+ next month
Well, that is just your opinion.
The truth is that Game Pass charges 28% more per year and offers ~40% fewer games.
Imagine believing that he doesn't know... He just adjusts to what can help his narrative
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Back it up to/from an external drive? You don't need to use the cloud at all afaik.
Fwackoboingo
Banned
Go for it. Tell us how it went, how many different sub services you had to pay for to not get half of what the PS+ offers. DO IT.
ReBurn
Gold Member
The price increase seems to have paid for some additional grass roots forum marketing.Imagine believing that he doesn't know... He just adjusts to what can help his narrative
TheDarkPhantom
Gold Member
Great, them how about releasing the treasure trove of PS1 classics you have locked away for starters? My Premium sub is over in November, won't be renewing anytime soon, I buy all my shit anyway.
TheCrowsReaper
Member
Increasing the price is understandable (to a degree), but the size of the increase, combined with offering nothing more of value, is absurd. A huge black eye for a company seemingly trying to hurt its image lately.
Arrogant Sony is seemingly back.
Arrogant Sony is seemingly back.
//DEVIL//
Member
I don't think of games same as movies. Especially when they are online based like destiny and call of duty. I don't like the idea of subbing for a year. And I own more than 1000 games on PC between steam epic and gog.
I like the idea of just installing whatever game I wanna play without having the worry of subbing to play.
When it comes to consoles ? I don't even buy online gsmes. All physical.
Yesterday I wanted to play Yakuza zero. Guesd what ? Just downloaded and started playing. Bought that game for 3$.
Maybe this will change hen gsmepass release a big game every month or at least 2 months with their huge studio library now and include gsmes like call of duty then yeah maybe.
But a game or 2 per year that considered big ? I'll just sub for that month and be done with it.
Sony will never get my money. I don't support pay to play online system ( didn't with the Xbox either ) .
Same gsme is free to play on PC . Why you charging me on consoles even though I have to to through the hassle of making an account on your psn or Xbox server just to login ? Its not like I am using Sony server to play cod. Just a ripp off practice and people are like goats.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Unless they add streaming all the PS+ titles to the Portal, I'm definitely dropping down to just Essential when my sub expires.
Duchess
Member
As a single player focused gamer I 100% agree with this. I wouldn't be entirely opposed to paying for cloud saves, but it would have to be cheap enough for most to consider it a minor expense.
Still, when Steam, GOG, and Epic have cloud saves at no extra cost, it's ridiculous that Sony, Nintendo, MS don't include it as part of the service.
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
You know that PS+ is missing? GT7
ComputerBlue
Member
Doubt it, all the subscription services I’ve used over the years have gotten worse as time went on, and the price has only increased. I can’t think of one that improved so much to justify the increase in price.
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Sushi_Combo
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Not seeing any improvements since the price increase.