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Starfield, my thoughts about early access.
- Thread starter Osthyvel
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Elder Legend
Banned
Do you know what the definition of a scam is? A scam is when you pay money for whatever is guaranteed and then you don't get the product or the service that was described. This is not a scam. It would be a scam only if you paid the money and the game didn't unlock until a later date, then it would be a scam.
Also, did you know that it's just an option? And did you know no one is holding a gun over your head to purchase this option? Crazy concept, I know.
People who fly on private jets and able to afford it and you can't, does it mean that private jets are a scam too? Jesus christ lol.
The world and life is not created equal. Learn to live with it.
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SidViscous
Member
You would hope they would at least be self-aware enough to stop the whole "Day one on gamepass" stuff, which really means day 5 or 6 depending on if you want to pay twice or not.
devilNprada
Member
Kind of like game pass on Day 1?
Elder Legend
Banned
Nice try on trying to pull off a smart ass "gotcha" moment but I give you an A for effort and F for execution. Is It really that hard for you to understand in plain English that Day 1 and Early Access are two completely different things? It would only be a scam if Game Pass guaranteed you Early Acess (which it doesn't). Try again, maybe you'll find a way.
devilNprada
Member
LOL.. You don't need to justify marketing bullshit to me... I might even buy your early access argument if you could even spell it?
bender
What time is it?
Game Pass offers the base versions of first party games so that edition of the game will launch and be available on Game Pass at the same time. The same thing happened with FH5. And I'm no fan of early access.
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Honestly I don't really care. Usually takes years until I get to it. Backlog up the wazoo.
Shake Your Rump
Member
I haven’t really been following Starfield, but I was in the mood to try a new game and realized it was a holiday weekend. The perfect time to play a new RPG. I go to Steam and see that, despite the fact thousands of people are currently playing the game and today is the “launch day”, I am not permitted to buy or play the game.
It instantly deflated my interest. I would have been a consumer paying full MSRP for a digital game on launch day. I would have been telling my friends and family about it. Instead, I am given the middle finger and told to fuck off.
It instantly deflated my interest. I would have been a consumer paying full MSRP for a digital game on launch day. I would have been telling my friends and family about it. Instead, I am given the middle finger and told to fuck off.
Elder Legend
Banned
Normal customers? What does that even mean?
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
people who spent 70$ still spent 70$.
Yet they are looked as lower class because it's not a premium edition.
Elder Legend
Banned
What about people who buy business class airplane tickets versus economy? Are they looked at as lower class too?
It' almost like average, middle class, high class exists as a hierarchy.... in real life... have you tried going to a Ferrari car dealer and telling them that you are being treated as a lower clsss because they won't sell you their Ferrari for pennies and that you are being discriminated? You should sue.
Did you yell at the traveling agent lady on the phone when she couldn't sell you business class airplane tickets because you couldn't afford it?
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bender
What time is it?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I am playing video games to get out of "the hierarchy".
This is not something we have to tolerate.
My 60$ is the same as someone elses 90$. the game is the same, I just don't want useless dlc.
What's happening is disgusting
Elder Legend
Banned
Who once was a biological woman and transitioned and still is a biological woman.My travel agent is a man.
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bender
What time is it?
You GIF skills are as terrible as your analogies.
Elder Legend
Banned
Nah, your sarcasm is just dumb, and I wasn't even speaking to you. So I am not sure why you were even quoting me. Best wishes.
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bender
What time is it?
This a message board. If you want private messages, use that feature.
sendit
Member
Yep. I’m 10 hours in, there is nothing ground breaking here.
Constant immersion breaking load screens are annoying.
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
Trust me I don't look at anybody as lower class because they spend $70 on a game or even those who do not want to spend for first class plane tickets
Sleepwalker
Member
The funny part is that the game is currently open for the premium edition buyers and the pirates, but not the regular customers. I don't care about waiting at all (in fact I have less time to play on the weekends) Just a funny circumstance is all.
Slicker than your average
Banned
It's a garbage policy no matter who does it for example diablo 4. However when it's an exclusive for Xbox It gets a pass as it's good to have options.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Exactly. Pirates get it but not paying customers. That’s a slap in the face.
Gambit2483
Member
Mostly yes, hence procedural generation. Although you will find a few (or more) instances of copy-paste jobs with some aspects on the planets.
Think Mass Effect, where there were like 3-4 different mining camps and outposts layouts that you would constantly see repeating themselves.
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new forza already doing it, expect it to see in all microsoft 1st party going forward,
its a way to blunt the financial hit of these "day and date" gamepass releases
Ishma3L
Member
First of all, english is not my native language so be gentle
I just want to say that i think this business model is disgusting, but it can be done because we actually spend our money on these type of deals.
The game releases on wednesday 6/9 on gamepass, but today friday its possible to pay 35€ for the premium edition, that gives access to an upcoming expansion and some cosmetics, the game is not included.
Ofcourse, its friday, most people are free over the weekend and want to play the game, and if you don't keep subscribing to gamepass; you will have the cosmetics and expansion but not a game to play, so you have to buy the game. I know, all of you know this but i just want to write it because i thinks its so dirty business, not judging anyone, to each to its own etc. This is just so well thought ought to cash in, these days when most gamerelated things just keeps getting more expensive i think the best thing we can do is to vote with our wallets.
But so many complains over microtransactions, expensive subscriptions etc, when we pay for this, its a couple of days before its "real" release, and next weekend we can play it "free" if we have gamepass.
And no, i am not poor xD maybe because of what i just wrote.
Happy gaming everyone, i hope you are enjoying your early access, see you on wednesday!
Nothing more than Microsoft using tried and true predatory techniques to squeeze some extra revenue ontop of the game pass subsription. It's become so common place, it's ridiculous. Diablo 4 was no different with the head start. I'm not a fan, I know what they are doing, but sometimes you just want to play because you've got free time.
That calculated early release just before a weekend starts is not a coincidence. It's such a technical science to manipulate people, and it works.
I guess you could argue you get a DLC with it, but even still. At least your not doing free beta testing with this release.
That calculated early release just before a weekend starts is not a coincidence. It's such a technical science to manipulate people, and it works.
I guess you could argue you get a DLC with it, but even still. At least your not doing free beta testing with this release.
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MrMephistoX
Gold Member
Thanks I easily got a refund for the $99 edition and just spent the $31: great game so far and have to say if you have a Steam Deck there’s an app called XbPlay and streaming so far has been flawless.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
I don't understand why you keep blaming developers for stuff like this. Blame the 100,000s of people that do pay for this. Developers just gave you an option, if they saw nobody is buying they would pull the plug. Just goes to show how easy it is to lure people to pay. Dont blame the developer, blame yourself.
BlackTron
Member
If you already have Game pass, and have the opportunity to try the game "for free" to evaulate the it before spending a penny on anything. And spend 35 bucks just to get it 5 days early, and a bunch of stuff you don't even know if you want yet. What are you thinking.
But that's the customers issue not the publisher. If you want to send them money it's their job to take it. As usual I blame the simps
But that's the customers issue not the publisher. If you want to send them money it's their job to take it. As usual I blame the simps
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
Member
Some do what they want, others do what they can.
Disclaimer: I would never pay additional money to play a game early when it's coming out for gamepass several days later.
That is, quite literally, the point of gamepass. Pay one price to play the games.
Disclaimer: I would never pay additional money to play a game early when it's coming out for gamepass several days later.
That is, quite literally, the point of gamepass. Pay one price to play the games.
pasterpl
Member
Good reminder. Need to get it as well.
RPS37
Member
X-Wing
Member
It's a sad strategy and it is sad that people fall for it. The release date was September the 1st - the final version of the game was made available.
The 6th is a delayed release date just to monetize on fear of missing out and to try to make up some of the money they lose with the Game Pass model.
The 6th is a delayed release date just to monetize on fear of missing out and to try to make up some of the money they lose with the Game Pass model.
Osthyvel
Member
The thing is i am not concern about your money, but my money. People can't think one step ahead. This isn't just about your money or early access just for Starfield, its about a greedy and filthy business model.
Its a choice, i know, but as people keep paying for this, we will see more and more greedy things, and that... that is your and others that pay for these kind of shit faults because you are telling them that they can keep doing this kind of shit. And in the end it will affect my wallet.
Is it THAT hard to understand? If no one bought this shit.... then we all would have a real day1.
Edit; what i wanted with this tread was a discussion, so keep it going. I saw a lookalike tread at the other wizard forum after this tread, so hey, if you read here, please leave that purple wokeshit and GET OVER HERE!
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funkygunther
Banned
other people that buy things don’t owe you anything
Edgelord79
Gold Member
You shouldn’t play Starfield out of principle.
That’ll send them a message.
That’ll send them a message.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
In response while I am a little concerned about what Pandoras Box we may be opening here as much as you aren’t concerned about my money I am not concerned about your money
It may be a greedy tactic but it’s one that is working and while I don’t know Starfield numbers yet I do know at least 1 million people bought the early access for Forza Horizon 5 this last game because the leader boards showed over 1 million playing before official release.
Its a tactic that is working and sadly people coming to forums calling people like me whales or simps is not going to change how I spend my money because playing 5 days early and getting the first DLC for $30 is an easy choice for me for DLC I would likely buy anyhow
MSFT subsidizes Gamepass so you can't expect to get all these big games for no extra cost with all the same perks as those buying it outright.
Early access never really bugged me. I mean, at the end of the day, they need to make money on their game and charging people to access the game a bit early seems like a fair way to do it. And not really any different than waiting 6-12 months and getting the game for half price.
Early access never really bugged me. I mean, at the end of the day, they need to make money on their game and charging people to access the game a bit early seems like a fair way to do it. And not really any different than waiting 6-12 months and getting the game for half price.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
Actual footage of everyone incapable of waiting 5 days to play a videogame
Die Namek Ability
Member
Yeah why blame the drug dealers?! If those crack heads would just stop buying crack...
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
I never preordered a game or ordered a premium version. Its release day and I get it. I can understand a child crying for its toy before the birthday but a grown ass man with a job to come on a forum and complain how its not him, its the company thats making him spend more money for no reason, that next level stupidity. If you consider gaming as crack you might as well admit addiction and maybe its time to deal with the problem instead of impulse buying and blaming others how they made you spend money lol. Nowadays nobody wants to take responsibility, its always someone elses fault....poor you, that credit card just magically flew out your wallet and grew arms and legs and put in its own detail and an ORDER button
