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Steam Greenlight: 1000 games and counting, more Greenlit every few weeks

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Eusis

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What's with Steam not approving some of the games that are already out there on other platforms? Though I guess with Nintendo's relatively low bar they have right to worry about getting DSiware/WiiWare games, even though they seem to only have had the cream of the crop show up.

Ah well, there's still other stuff I wanted approved at least, and Postal may've been a case of "wait, we already have entries of that on here."
 
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Blizzard

Banned
Is there any indication that the games that were greenlit tended to be games with the most votes? Valve might be continuing a trend of taking games that had the most community interest, and then adjusting ratios and repeating the process as needed.
 
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Durante

Member
Blizzard said:
Is there any indication that the games that were greenlit tended to be games with the most votes? Valve might be continuing a trend of taking games that had the most community interest, and then adjusting ratios and repeating the process as needed.
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Well, Giana made it, and it was really high up the list (when we still had one).
 
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HoosTrax

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Blizzard said:
Is there any indication that the games that were greenlit tended to be games with the most votes? Valve might be continuing a trend of taking games that had the most community interest, and then adjusting ratios and repeating the process as needed.
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Well, the renamed Slender game didn't make it, so they're not automatically picking the top 10 (or 20 in this case).
 
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Blizzard

Banned
Durante said:
Well, Giana made it, and it was really high up the list (when we still had one).
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Devs still get their own internal percentage, right? So I suppose we could still have a list if they agree...but then perhaps Valve will take revenge by refusing to greenlight any dev who reveals the secret percentage. :O
 
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KDR_11k

Member
Some of these should have been accepted on submission instead of forced into Greenlight. Mutant Mudds, the game that triggered the whole debate that led to Greenlight, still isn't accepted. You'd think that having a Metacritic score above 80 on a non-phone platform (phone reviewers give higher scores so the cutoff for phone games would probably have to be 95 or so) should be enough for instant acceptance.

Also my condolences go out to the people who got suckered into voting for Miner Wars.

Having mods clog up the list isn't good either, Steam should probably add a mods tab like Desura has.

The lack of Bunny Must Die makes me sad. La Mulana too but at least that has a release on a major console market.
 
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Platy

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Fly'n, Giana Sisters, Octodad, Secrets of Grindea and The Stanley Parable: HD Remix !

Still misses Shantae, La Mulana and stuffs like Oniken and Qasir ... but still ... MUCH better than the last greenlighted =D
 
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Vastag

Member
Gnomoria, fuck yeah. Add some steam workshop support and I will double dip on steam.

Edit: And Fly'n!, nice batch of greenlit games.
 
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Berto

Member
Where is Gray Matter?! :( It's a shame that GM has to go through these kind of process, most point and click adventure games in Steam are trash by comparison.
 
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Saty

Member
It would be great if the devs of the game that got accepted will share their data of where they placed inside the top 100 and how many up votes they were getting daily so it gives everyone else an idea how they are doing and how close they are.
 
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Baron_Calamity

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I still think the only games that are being green lighted are ones Valve would have allowed in the first place. There is no reason why Gray Matter, Pinball arcade, Octodad and others aren't on steam. Ofcourse now that EA has jumped started the Origin user base, maybe they should make an effort to reach out to these game?
 
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XANDER CAGE

Member
Having NeoTokyo on Steam will be great, but I fear it'll be too little, too late. The community for that game last time I tried to get back into it was made entirely out of troll admins running power-trip servers and people who whined when you shot them because they were "trying to doooo soooooomethiiiiiiiiing"
 
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fizzelopeguss

Banned
Oil blue is chub's game right? i remember him going through a bit of a ballache trying to get his game on steam.

EDIT: Ugh, some of the comments it's getting are fucking clownshoes. Had to vote it just to restore some balance to the force.
 
TriniTrin

TriniTrin

war of titties grampa
Man, there was this really cool game that uses shadows for puzzles. Like you have this regular world and the shadows that are made from the environment can help you solve puzzles to progress. I can't remember the name but it had a little girl on it. LOL
 
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Archie

Second-rate Anihawk
Trin3785 said:
Man, there was this really cool game that uses shadows for puzzles. Like you have this regular world and the shadows that are made from the environment can help you solve puzzles to progress. I can't remember the name but it had a little girl on it. LOL
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Contrast

It was one of the games greenlit.
 
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Zero-Crescent

Member
chubigans said:
I just tried four random ones and they said "late 2013." Hoo boy.
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I put together this list from the release projections listed in the descriptions. The second batch was noticeably better than the first in terms of release schedule. You've got 9 games from the second batch scheduled to release within the next 4 months, compared to the 4 imminent releases in the first batch (McPixel and the three mods). They mentioned that release schedule was a major reason that they went with 21 games instead of 10, can't help but wonder what this list would have looked like if they had just went with the top 10; probably less in the November/December months.

October 2012
Postal 2
Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams

November 2012
Fly'n
Miasmata

December 2012
Miner Wars 2081
Afterfall InSanity: Extended Edition
AirBuccaneers
Forge

Early 2013
Routine
The Stanley Parable: HD Remix
Yogventures!
Contrast (January 2013)

Late 2013
Folk Tale
Octodad: Deadliest Catch
Dream (Summer 2013)

2013 (General)
Interstellar Marines
Secrets of Grindea
The Intruder

Unknown
Heroes & Generals (Supposed to have a large-scale beta soon)
Kenshi (Currently in alpha)
Towns (Currently in playable alpha state)
Project Zomboid (Currently releasing Public Test Builds)
Lost Story: The Last Days of Earth
Gnomoria (Currently in playable alpha state)
Blockscape (Survival mode set for December, rest of the game is unknown)

Already launched elsewhere
Neotokyo
Perpetuum

Launched elsewhere after being Greenlit, but the Steam release date is unknown
Black Mesa
No More Room in Hell
Cry of Fear
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BudokaiMR2

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Yeah I am pretty sure that Steam did a by the books update and just greenlit the top 21 games.
Because our La-Mulana page jumped up 21 spots exactly overnight.

It's too bad because they claim that they are not just running it as a popularity contest but their actions speak otherwise...

At this pace we are not going to be able to give the game out to you guys at a crazy Christmas Sale discount price, which I was really hoping would be possible...
 
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Blizzard

Banned
BudokaiMR2 said:
Yeah I am pretty sure that Steam did a by the books update and just greenlit the top 21 games.
Because our La-Mulana page jumped up 21 spots exactly overnight.

It's too bad because they claim that they are not just running it as a popularity contest but their actions speak otherwise...

At this pace we are not going to be able to give the game out to you guys at a crazy Christmas Sale discount price, which I was really hoping would be possible...
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What percentage was La-Mulana at? It could be that all 21 games were just higher than La-Mulana.

According to the earlier poster, Valve did NOT do a plain off-the-top update, and even without checking I thought the Slenderman game was very near the top and didn't make the cut. Was that poster incorrect?

Also, can it really be a "by the books" update when Valve has only done it once before, and did (more than?) twice the number of games they did last time? That's already a big change. :p
 
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BudokaiMR2

Member
Blizzard said:
What percentage was La-Mulana at? It could be that all 21 games were just higher than La-Mulana.

According to the earlier poster, Valve did NOT do a plain off-the-top update, and even without checking I thought the Slenderman game was very near the top and didn't make the cut. Was that poster incorrect?

Also, can it really be a "by the books" update when Valve has only done it once before, and did (more than?) twice the number of games they did last time? That's already a big change. :p
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There are no percentages anymore for the top 100. You get a rank which is probably decided by number of votes.
We were #49 and and now we are #28.

However, maybe you are right and they just picked 21 of the top 47 games and not just simply 1-21. It's hard to tell since there is absolutely no transparency in the system at all now.

I thought the Slenderman game got taken down for some reason? Or did they just change the name? I haven't been able to find it at least. If it is still there then you must be right as that one definitely had to be in the top 10.
 
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Blizzard

Banned
BudokaiMR2 said:
There are no percentages anymore for the top 100. You get a rank which is probably decided by number of votes.
We were #49 and and now we are #28.

However, maybe you are right and they just picked 21 of the top 47 games and not just simply 1-21. It's hard to tell since there is absolutely no transparency in the system at all now.

I thought the Slenderman game got taken down for some reason? Or did they just change the name? I haven't been able to find it at least. If it is still there then you must be right as that one definitely had to be in the top 10.
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The Slenderman Source game appears to have been renamed to "Faceless" (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92917473), and it has 9500+ comments, so I think that's the game.

I'm sorry if I was rude -- just hang in there, and I'd think your game would make it through soon...maybe they'll do at least one more batch before Christmas. I understand the lack of transparency is frustrating, and I want to release a game on Greenlight myself, but I can also somewhat understand complaints people might have if all the data was available. Perhaps it would be best if Valve went back to the original way they had it, but sadly Valve likes to keep their data close to the vest and has done so for many years, as far as I know.
 
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BudokaiMR2

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Blizzard said:
The Slenderman Source game appears to have been renamed to "Faceless" (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92917473), and it has 9500+ comments, so I think that's the game.

I'm sorry if I was rude -- just hang in there, and I'd think your game would make it through soon...maybe they'll do at least one more batch before Christmas. I understand the lack of transparency is frustrating, and I want to release a game on Greenlight myself, but I can also somewhat understand complaints people might have if all the data was available. Perhaps it would be best if Valve went back to the original way they had it, but sadly Valve likes to keep their data close to the vest and has done so for many years, as far as I know.
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Yup that is the one. I wonder if Valve is staying away from it since there seem to be obvious copyright issues.

Yeah, I know that it is just a matter of time for La-Mulana to get added but I just don't feel like the system is being very fair to devs who have completed projects(I know I am beating a dead horse at this point.) I just don't really get why they would greenlight so many 2013 releases when there are developers who desperately need a spot to start recouping development costs right now...

The guys at NIGORO REALLY need more sales for their game and the quickest way would be to get it on Steam.

I was expecting them to give at least some priority to games ready to release after they sent us an e-mail asking for release dates but there are still only 2 games which look like they can release this month.
 
Haunted

Haunted

Member
La Mulana and Gray Matter are both commercially available and critically successful games - that they need to go through Greenlight in the first place seems weird to me.

dtp in particular has put up a couple of their already released games up on Greenlight even though they (were) what I'd call an established publisher and have games published on Steam before. Strange.
 
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BudokaiMR2

Member
Yeah before Greenlight La-Mulana was turned down 4-5 times between submissions by both NIGORO and us. We were never able to get an answer for why though.
 
Wok

Wok

Member
Blizzard said:
According to the earlier poster, Valve did NOT do a plain off-the-top update, and even without checking I thought the Slenderman game was very near the top and didn't make the cut. Was that poster incorrect?
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BudokaiMR2 said:
I thought the Slenderman game got taken down for some reason? Or did they just change the name? I haven't been able to find it at least. If it is still there then you must be right as that one definitely had to be in the top 10.
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There is already a Slender-like which is greenlit: The Intruder.

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Diomedeskun

Member
I just bought La-Mulana on GOG last week, and it's already one of my favorite games of all time. I desperately want it to do well, so I hope it can get in soon. It doesn't just scratch the Metroidvania itch, it really adds to the genre in a meaningful way, and it can really stand right alongside the best adventure platformers.

I also own Shantae Risky's Revenge, but I'd love to see that on PC, since it would probably mean better odds of a sequel, and as much as I liked it, it was really obvious that it was part of a greater whole. Plus, I just want to see Wayforward succeed on PC. I would probably rebuy a PC port.

Mutant Mudds and Gray Matter need to happen. I own the latter, but I only have a Japanese 3DS so PC is my only hope for Mudds.
 
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Zero-Crescent

Member
BudokaiMR2 said:
Yeah I am pretty sure that Steam did a by the books update and just greenlit the top 21 games.
Because our La-Mulana page jumped up 21 spots exactly overnight.

It's too bad because they claim that they are not just running it as a popularity contest but their actions speak otherwise...

At this pace we are not going to be able to give the game out to you guys at a crazy Christmas Sale discount price, which I was really hoping would be possible...
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You're most likely right, looking at the last known ranking info from 9/19 (You'll need to sort by Rating descending), the second batch coincides pretty well with the top rankings from then. There were a few outliers (Stanley, Fly'n, Dream), but considering the one-month hole in the data, I guess it is conceivable that those titles could have seen a surge at some point that put them over the top. Faceless is the other outlier, but considering the apparent issues surrounding it...

I quoted the relevant entries below, removing the first batch games, separating the high-ranking games that didn't make it this time, and just for fun, throwing in 31 other high-ranked games that might have a shot next time.

5 (5) Perpetuum BoyC
5 (6) Interstellar Marines Zero Point Software
7 (8) Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams (Project Giana) Black Forest Games
10 (10) Forge DarkValeGames
10 (11) Contrast Compulsion Games
10 (12) Afterfall InSanity Extended Edition majka.corp
10 (14) POSTAL 2 COMPLETE RWS - THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! :)
15 (15) Octodad: Dadliest Catch PTibz
15 (16) Miasmata IonFx
17 (17) Secrets of Grindea PixelFerrets
17 (18) Yogventures! winterkewl
17 (19) Folk Tale Games Foundry
20 (20) The Intruder Mister Royzo
20 (21) NEOTOKYO° Glasseater
20 (22) Blockscape ghost in the shell
23 (24) Gnomoria Robotronic Games
23 (25) Lost Story: The Last Days of Earth [LST]
26 (27) AirBuccaneers LudoCraft
37 (40) The Stanley Parable: HD Remix Cakebread
41 (44) Fly'n Fly'n
66 (68) Dream HyperSloth

The in-betweeners (Games with a high ranking at the time that didn't make it):
1 (2) Faceless Manio
23 (23) DLC Quest Mr Kane
26 (26) Gear Up Doctor Entertainment
26 (28) No Time To Explain tinyBuild
26 (29) Dawn of Fantasy Reverie World Indie

Other games, ranked 31-49; possible contenders for the next batch?:
31 (31) Organ Trail: Director's Cut Boco
31 (32) Call of Cthulhu: The Wasted Land Red Wasp Design
31 (33) Sang-Froid : Tales of Werewolves Artifice Studio
31 (34) Kinetic Void - Space Adventure LumberingTroll
31 (35) Receiver Wolfire Games
31 (36) Unepic franfistro
37 (37) Slenderman:The Orphanage (ALPHA) ShadowShifters
37 (38) The Age of Decadence Elhoim
37 (39) The Legend AustinHand
41 (41) 8BitMMO RobbyZ
41 (42) Signal Ops Space Bullet
41 (43) NEStalgia Silk Games
41 (45) Inquisitor Lukas Macura
41 (47) Euro Truck Simulator 2 SCS Software
41 (48) Eador. Masters of the Broken World Snowbird Games
49 (49) Mutant Mudds Renegade Kid
49 (50) Dino Run SE Pixeljam Games
49 (51) Incredipede Colin Northway
49 (52) Centration Angry Engineers Entertainment
49 (53) Melody's Escape Epsi
49 (54) Edge of Space gaming
49 (55) FORCED BetaDwarf
49 (56) A Walk in the Dark FlyingTurtle
49 (57) Recruits Rob | Commotion Games
49 (58) The Story Of Dakara Erik_P[RU]
49 (59) Legends of Aethereus ThreeGates Studio
49 (60) Salvation Prophecy: Millitary Space Epic JabberwockyX
49 (61) LA-MULANA PLAYISM
49 (62) Akaneiro: Demon Hunters Spicy Horse Games
49 (63) Silent Storm Nordic Games
49 (64) Exoplanet: First Contact false3d
49 (65) The Impossible Game FlukeDude
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