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Steam Restricting Helldivers 2 Purchases in Countries Without PSN
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badblue
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Jinzo Prime
Member
Yep. Valve lawyers probably looked into the situation and realized they could be held liable for selling a non-fuctional product and pushed for refunds. People are underestimating how aggressive the EU can be with this.
Fabieter
Member
Again be consistent if you are against double and triple login that's alright but those selective bullshit it was here day one it wasn't, come on. Be for real!
lifa-cobex
Member
Warframe was released so long ago that it flew under the radar.
Sea of thieves is a terrible game. The only people who are leaving good reviews are dents. Everybody else just didn't give it the time of day. They knew it was dead on arrival.
Arrowhead devs are good devs. Nobody wants to see them be killed off by a publishers stupid decisions.
Pelao
Member
I wonder what will happen with Ghost of Tsushima on PC.
Sony said that you don't need a PSN account to play the singleplayer mode, but you do need one for the multiplayer mode. Is Steam going to limit the product in those countries to just the singleplayer mode or will they just not sell it at all?
Sony said that you don't need a PSN account to play the singleplayer mode, but you do need one for the multiplayer mode. Is Steam going to limit the product in those countries to just the singleplayer mode or will they just not sell it at all?
People were neanderthals a few years ago or now? I don't understand how this is even a legitimate reason especially when it's still one of the 'top selling' and most played games even now.
Jinzo Prime
Member
This has less to do with whining PC gamers and more to do with illegally selling a lemon, but yes, Sony should just overreact like everyone elseA sign Sony should just end the PC port nonsense, they clearly don't get it. Refund all purchases and delete the games off the servers, revoke licenses.
DrFigs
Member
i'm with you on this one brother.A sign Sony should just end the PC port nonsense, they clearly don't get it. Refund all purchases and delete the games off the servers, revoke licenses.
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Holammer
Member
yep, I know.
But they are not part of the European Single Market (yet) with the rules and protections it entails. Interestingly they're not on the list? I'm guessing they're not included on the list because it would be bad optics. While Belarus and the 'stans* are listed.
*(Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan)
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bender
What time is it?
Kind of doubt it was lawyers and more likely an influx of support request for refunds and Valve investigating the situation and putting a lid of potential future requests.
No ToS was changed. That would be highly fucking illegal. You're talking about an FAQ on a site page that read "no, currently you don't need a PSN account" which they changed close to when they announced this.
They announce it had that requirement, had it on the store page and on boot that a PSN account was required from day 1. Had a blog post saying they added a skip so that people can play rather than servers shitting the bed because of it.
If it was legitimately people who didn't read those things then I support them getting a refund, it's an honest mistake but I think when the person who created a thread here about the requirement before release is requesting a refund now it's kind of clear it's not because they didn't know. Seems more like outrage culture stuff for the sake of it that will of course dissappear for another release that isn't PSN related.
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lifa-cobex
Member
If Sony are upfront and say yes whilst not pulling any of the nonsense they have with Helldivers. Then Sony does what Sony does.
If Sony says no, sells games to regions that cannot access PSN and then decide to play the old switch a roo. Problems will incur.
It's going to be interesting how Sony plays the PC market. They ignored the PC economy for so long. They released a few titles that seemed to do well enough.
But they have fumbled the big success.
lifa-cobex
Member
Warframe wasn't anywhere nearly as poplar as it became later in life.
It certainly isn't anywhere near a fraction as popular as Helldivers.
Also Warframe is a single entreaty. Not a publisher trying to break into the PC market.
They are vastly different things.
Buggy Loop
Member
People really need to stop using Microsoft games as an example...
First off, you don't play Sea of Thieves on your STEAM account, it's all tied to your Microsoft Account. The game doesn't work unless you have a Microsoft Account, so you're not getting to play the game and then suddenly being told "well we are going to require you to link your account".
Also, another thing is, Microsoft Accounts aren't just Xbox accounts. They're a complete service account. So, the majority of people have a Microsoft Account, especially if they have a Windows PC.
Fabieter
Member
The mental gymnastics are winning gold.
Topher
Identifies as young
They should have changed the FAQ before the game launched to reflect the new policy regarding PSN logins. Sony's contradictory messaging on this hasn't helped them on this one bit. That's probably a big reason why Valve is granting refunds for those who have played the game many hours past the limit.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Dear Sony, I emailed you but you still ain’t calling. I wrote my email, phone, and my Steam ID at the bottom. I sent two emails back in autumn, you must not have got’ em.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
As I said you could access the game without login in and suddenly it became mandatory. Nothing more to add, I personally don't give a fuck but I understand those who are frustrated by this situation. I do think it has overblown now tho.
Oh sorry, but yeah I'm sure everyone is reading those TOS, suuure. This should have been clearly stated on the official Playstation website. It was not the case (and they fixed it after).
NoLootBoxDev
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squidilix
Member
Ubisoft account ?
Epic account ?
Hoyoverse account ?
Battle.net account?
Activision account? (Different from B.net account ?)
Rockstar account?
Capcom ID account?
Riot game account?
Square Enix account? (Final Fantasy XIV or XI)
Bethesda account?
but, but that's not the same... T_T
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MayauMiao
Member
Smart move on Steam end. They don't want to deal with PSN debacle by not providing PSN account globally. Its quite pathetic that Sony can't fix this problem.
Fabieter
Member
Yea things fucking change now more than ever. Half the gaas games I like change so much over the course that I don't like most of them anymore because they are just different to why I liked them. Is this a reason to refund games in the future. Call me the fuck in if so.
laynelane
Member
I don't think games on Steam or console should require an additional login yet many do. HD2 was particularly egregious because of the late enforcement of the requirement and the lack of support for PSN in various countries - so people reacted and did something about it. I wish it wasn't isolated to just this instance, though. It would be great to see more push back on this in the future with other titles too.
Angry_Megalodon
Banned
This is a shitshow. Sony has two exclusive bangers this year and, for different reasons, they have messed them up. For those mentioning Totoki, that man is no CEO, let's not pretend he is. He's a finance director who has no clue about gaming. Sony MUST appoint a real CEO right now.
feynoob
Banned
There is different between requiring a login on the starting game vs after couple of months.
MikeM
Member
Steam is the only PC store front that gets any money from me.
Also Sony: “Good thing we hate money”
Fabieter
Member
People will find excuses why this one was different and move on the next time.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Is it the same? Are there countries that you can't create those accounts?
Warframe was popular when it hit steam and accounts were later too.
So your issue is the publisher account you have to sign up for? If it was some other account it would be ok?
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drezz
Member
See, if we got a Suit like that or something for Logging in with a PSN account, people would more then gladly do it where it was easy and fast to make an account.
But no, had to forcefully pull everyone in, and now we got such a breaker on the fun community around HD2, we might not come back from thoose posts and community interactions.
God job sony.
Fabieter
Member
For people pointing out they don't want addional login on steam its not noo.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
I really feel this Sony is a different beast. One hardly recognizable from the glory days of the PS4.Prime Barclay performance from Sony.
Topher
Identifies as young
The timing of it all definitely played a part in all of this. I don't know any other company that has pushed account creation/login into a game after it has been on the market for nearly three months.
dreamstation
Gold Member
Honestly it's the right move until Sony work out what they're going to do with those countries.
feynoob
Banned
Game has additional login when it releases, people leave it or play it.
Requiring it when it has a large audience is not OK. You are messing up with a huge community and it will always have a backlash. People hate change and Sony picked the wrong time to mess with hell divers 2 community. And the tone deaf from them didnt help at all, At least Arrowhead CEO was in agreement with them, unlike the community manager who fueled the fire.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
All Rockstar games got panned for the stupid launcher. So have Capcom for retroactive DRM.
This is a dumb, unforced error on the part of Sony they just wasn’t needed.
Topher
Identifies as young
In my mind, they have three options:
1) Refund every game purchased from people in those countries
2) Stand up PSN servers and account creation in those countries (not feasible)
3) Remove the PSN requirement for those countries or, even better, remove it for everyone.
bender
What time is it?
I wonder how many purchasers on Steam visited the Sony website before this controversy started. And Sony's page does have a weasel word in currently. The Steam product page also lists: Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Supports Linking to Steam Account).
That's not excusing how Sony's handling of this situation as the product should have never available to territories that can't sign up for a PSN Account or they could have have fixed their ass backward account system. I'm also not a fan of implementing this requirement well after the product launched. Thankfully Steam has stepped in and have started to remedy the situation. Hopefully they've also reached out to Sony to educate them on properly releasing their titles various regions, especially if they are going to have an account requirement.
Finally, this could be a good warning sign to other indie developers. That's probably doubtful as money talks.
feynoob
Banned
If it was day1, none of this would have happened at all.
laynelane
Member
This one was different, though. But I agree with underlying principle of what you're saying. I'm a person who refuses to make a separate account to play a game. If it's required, I won't buy that game. Over time, more and more companies are moving towards requiring these accounts and I don't see that slowing down. It may be too hopeful, but it would be great if this caused at least some people to stop and consider this practice overall.
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Guilty_AI
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Topher
Identifies as young
It was there, but they had to remove it. Just can't try to force back in three months later and think everyone is going to be ok with it.
Fabieter
Member
This was always the case. It goes back to counter strike when valve moved it to steam, suddenly people had to make an account to play a game were non was needed at the time. Go on with your selective outrage. It's late!
feynoob
Banned
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Every freaking time with those games. I am tired at this point. I shouldnt have to make nonsense accounts and expect to remember the login and the password. I had enough of these from job application.
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