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[th4tguy]

I’ve had 0 interest in taking my kids to the theaters since the pandemic started. I’m also ok just waiting for these movies to hit Disney plus and watch it at home with them.
I’m sure this is much more of a factor than letting my feelings get hurt over a three legged dog or non white/ straight characters, like op.

 

[ipukespiders]

The movie just looks terrible.
I have no problem with a gay main character. I've watched every episode of Three's Company multiple times and it's one of my favorite shows of all time.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

ver and over but then multiculturalising the depiction. But clearly the STORY (maybe the songs are even more important) is the most critical part, regardless of how it is dressed.

And for the guy who thought The Black Cauldron was their worst film.... WRONG!!! It is damned EPIC!

Effectively.

That's the kind of stories and animation I like from Disney...

I want the Disney that has always been characterized to return, its animations are always beautiful and timeless.


I saw it a few months ago and the movie is too good.

 

[Stitch]

I think even the Disney Channel isn't advertising this. They're showing lots of ads for Disney+ though, and even showed an Episode of the D+ Santa Clause series.

 

[kondorBonk]

Really bad character design from Disney animation. While it certainly stems from ease of production/moving from one project to another and reusing assets, its probably also a synergy effort to allow these models to cohesively interact in the same world for the sake of consistent advertising or any future cross-over opportunities like video games/sequels.

One of the best aspects of western animation, is the variation in art styles in character designs. Pixar did a great job early on making blocky caricatures like with the Invincible and Up. It looks like within the last few years Disney also gave them the memo to standardize everything.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Further proof of the non existence of the "modern audience" catering to a vocal minority is getting them nowhere.

 

[Billbofet]

I think they wasted all their virtue signal creds on Buzz Lightyear, so they just let this one die on the vine.
That and it looks generic as hell. The gay character is probably the most/only interesting part of the movie - and that's not interesting at all.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Further proof of the non existence of the "modern audience" catering to a vocal minority is getting them nowhere.

If studios want to rake in the money consistently, just keep doing tried and true formulas. It may be boring for a lot of people, but in a way if the people want it then make it.

I don’t care for marvel movies but if they all make $500M - $1B in sales then keep doing it.

Nobody asked for a Disney movie with ultra diverse sets of characters. Sometimes people just want a familiar story but better visuals. Like Lion King 2019 made $1.5B in sales and it was just a retelling of the old movie but with visuals like national geographic. Top Gun is as generic a storyline as can be with dude bro jet fighters kicking ass and saving the day. It’s obvious Tom cruise and gang are going to be victorious. But people love it.

It’s not even about woke characters. If being too different in any media. Be too different and it’s more risky for failure. That’s why I said in my old post a page or two back I’m surprised at giant budget products not having some more testing at the concept stage. I’m not saying give away the whole plot or any mega secrets, but surely they could had tested peoples opinions on visuals and wokeish content as it seems that’s the biggest issues so far. With that knowledge they could had tweaked the graphics better. Like sonic the hedgehog. That movie was basically done and got grilled with a shit looking sonic. They delayed the movie and redid the CGI. Who knows. Maybe Disney does zero testing and they just assume whatever they write and draw is automatic gold bar standards. They need zero feedback.

 

[RoboFu]

It sucks because it’s a bad movie.. it’s a bad movie because it’s clear they put agenda over entertainment.

You can do both and connect them with reasoning and make a good movie.

 

[Happosai]

Yeah, the movie looked awful at every turn. Whoever signed off on those character designs should be fired.

I mean, there are pretty high-end digitally drawn flash animators out there. I'm waiting to see if Western animators will ever try to try something 2D with the tools studios have today. The bubbly 3D expression from all the studios have no variation or individual design talent.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

The movie just looks terrible.
I have no problem with a gay main character. I've watched every episode of Three's Company multiple times and it's one of my favorite shows of all time.

I....

This is bait, right?

I'm being baited, right?

 

[Laptop1991]

The trouble with all these movies and tv shows for the so called "modern audiences" is the stories are mostly bad and nearly always the same in each one, it's got boring now and people don't seem to want to pay and watch the same thing over and over.

 

[ManaByte]

The movie just looks terrible.
I have no problem with a gay main character. I've watched every episode of Three's Company multiple times and it's one of my favorite shows of all time.

 

[TheGrat1]

Every time I saw an ad for this film it looked extremely uninteresting. What is even the concept? A family goes to a strange world? Holy shit let me run every stop light to get to the theater!!!!1!

Completely Bailing out from cg movies after half of shrek 3 and never looking back continue to be one of my best moves ever...

Not sure when that was but if it was 2007 than you are missing out on Inside Out (no pun intended).

Seriously, one of the best films I saw that year, if you had a childhood you can relate.

 

[jason10mm]

.....issing out on Inside Out (no pun intended).

Seriously, one of the best films I saw that year, if you had a childhood you can relate.

I blame this film for the start of the danger hair movement

 

[DragoonWalker]

Succinct points, OP. Those character designs just reeeek of forceful virtual signalling. 3 black people a gay guy. 4 out of 5 of them are overweight. Right. You want real representation? It should work like congress. You get proportional representation, which means roughly 1 out of every 10 people are black, and 2 out of every characters Latino. Asians and LGBT people would appear like 1 out of every 30 people, maybe less. But that's not what we're seeing. So sorry, what exactly are you fighting for again? Overrepresentation. Look, I have nothing against minorities. I am a minority. I'll respect anyone anywhere I bump into if they respect me. But you have to realize being a minority means there are way more people out there who are unlike you and not really interested in you or can relate to you. It's not racism it's just how humans functioned since the dawn of man. I use to think "token" characters were offensive. But now I realize, when you're about 1 out of 10 people getting any kind of representation in media made in a country predominately NOT your race (and now sexual orientation, because kids should really get into that shit early yeah?) is not some god given right. Living a good life (which so many people are lacking right now regardless of their background) without being at the mercy of megacorporations, overreaching government, and corrupt rich bastards of wall street, IS a god given right, and IS the thing people should focus the FUCK on instead.

Concept wise, the movie is fine. For the less initiated, it's a clear throwback to the old school, 1950s/60s kind of sci fi B-movie. Going to a strange dimension/planet/place was a big thing back then. But it's old hat now, practically most movies partly take place in some kind of strange world. There's no modern twist, no hook. Watching the trailer, it's easy to see why it failed. Having a minority main character, or cast, doesn't mean automatic failure. It means you have to fucking work just as hard as anyone else to make it FUCKING GOOD. Because people care more about fucking good movies than movies with fucking minorities in it, and that's just stone cold facts.

Here's some movies it probably took inspirations from:

 

[TheGrat1]

Here's some movies it probably took inspirations from:

Forbidden Planet is absofuckinglutely fantastic. Caught it on Turner Classic Movies by chance one day and loved it, dated special effects and all.

If Strange World took any inspiration from it they failed to show any of it in the marketing.

 

[Halo2redvsblue]

CGI movie suck now because it doesn't take that long to render shit compared to it was 20 years ago. Toy story literally took them three weeks to render 10 seconds. I think today it takes about 40 hours.

 

[Ionian]

Succinct points, OP. Those character designs just reeeek of forceful virtual signalling. 3 black people a gay guy. 4 out of 5 of them are overweight. Right. You want real representation? It should work like congress. You get proportional representation, which means roughly 1 out of every 10 people are black, and 2 out of every characters Latino. Asians and LGBT people would appear like 1 out of every 30 people, maybe less. But that's not what we're seeing. So sorry, what exactly are you fighting for again? Overrepresentation. Look, I have nothing against minorities. I am a minority. I'll respect anyone anywhere I bump into if they respect me. But you have to realize being a minority means there are way more people out there who are unlike you and not really interested in you or can relate to you. It's not racism it's just how humans functioned since the dawn of man. I use to think "token" characters were offensive. But now I realize, when you're about 1 out of 10 people getting any kind of representation in media made in a country predominately NOT your race (and now sexual orientation, because kids should really get into that shit early yeah?) is not some god given right. Living a good life (which so many people are lacking right now regardless of their background) without being at the mercy of megacorporations, overreaching government, and corrupt rich bastards of wall street, IS a god given right, and IS the thing people should focus the FUCK on instead.

Concept wise, the movie is fine. For the less initiated, it's a clear throwback to the old school, 1950s/60s kind of sci fi B-movie. Going to a strange dimension/planet/place was a big thing back then. But it's old hat now, practically most movies partly take place in some kind of strange world. There's no modern twist, no hook. Watching the trailer, it's easy to see why it failed. Having a minority main character, or cast, doesn't mean automatic failure. It means you have to fucking work just as hard as anyone else to make it FUCKING GOOD. Because people care more about fucking good movies than movies with fucking minorities in it, and that's just stone cold facts.

Here's some movies it probably took inspirations from:

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[Ionian]

IMNOTRN

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WELLOOLCCANTPEEEEELLHERNOW

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Atleateentheolmwerenfront9intheanmethiinreaile

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The movie has a combo of as many minority/special groups as possible, but also a crazy planet setting.

As DragoonWalker said above, big alien sci fi movies are a dime a dozen. The key difference in marketing and plot is what is the key? Is it the people/cast? Or the wild creatures and planet?

Going by the old movie posters, it seems the focus is on the the fantasy creatures and creepy planet. Here's a snippet of Strange world posters, and also an official trailer. The movie is more focused on the people than the alien planet. Ya, there's some pink coloured tentacles or whatever, but you can tell the movie is more interested in the characters than the setting. Nothing wrong with that since it depends on the movie, but for a movie like this, you'd think it would be marketing fantastic imaginative art than people.

 

[MaestroMike]

why do some characters have super mario 64 noses ? they italian ?

 

[Ionian]

Atleateentheolmwerenfront9intheanmethiinreaile

Ineereentypethathit

 

[HoodWinked]

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[Mr Reasonable]

You can give audiences what they want and make good movies at the same time. In this case, it’s not what people and it’s bad.

Seemingly what Hollywood thinks people want (and revenue reflects this) is endless superhero movies and franchises.

I think it's possible that there are enough people like me who are sick of them, that other movies made at greater than AA budgets could be a success, but as long as the biggest slice of the audience says they want to see endless superhero movies, that's what you're getting.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Is it just me or this forced inclusion in Hollywood is starting to backfire?

 

[SJRB]

Is it just me or this forced inclusion in Hollywood is starting to backfire?

Has it ever not backfired?

 

[Meicyn]

And for the guy who thought The Black Cauldron was their worst film.... WRONG!!! It is damned EPIC!

Nah, it’s panned for good reason. It’s visually striking and conveys a tone very different than anything else Disney has ever produced (save Night on Bald Mountain in Fantasia), but it’s a complete chore to experience. Taran is one of the most insufferable leads in animation history, and much of the rest of the cast is flat out boring. The Horned King can’t even come close to say, Maleficent, Captain Hook, or Ratigan. Hell, Chernabog from the aforementioned Fantasia has a larger presence and leaves a stronger impression. That’s really, really bad.

The Black Cauldron feels like it could have been more interesting as a Don Bluth film, because it tries to evoke that darker tone that Secret of Nimh pulled off so well. Disney was not the right studio to convert the source material, IMO.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Is it just me or this forced inclusion in Hollywood is starting to backfire?

It really is I noticed

I was watching the new Willow show and Man it was terrible but hey I found the movie boring too. I watched the film recently too before the show aired so that I could remember what happened

 

[JCK75]

I don't care if a character is gay, but I don't feel like it needs to be brought up as many times as it was when it has shit to do with anything.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

I don't care if a character is gay, but I don't feel like it needs to be brought up as many times as it was when it has shit to do with anything.

Dude, i'm not straight and i roll my eyes to the amount of times Disney promotes their movies with a "first on-screen gay kiss".

I feel like it has happened god knows how many times and using lgbtq+ people as a means to an end is just not good to anyone. Even worst...is that movies that they clearly wanted to take it there, like Luca, they didn't. I think they blew it with Luca and are trying to force this in movies that weren't even about any of that int he first place.
"oh look, another kiss right there barely showing anything, where you can cut it in countries that will probably ban it if the scene isn't removed" lmao

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

It really is I noticed

I was watching the new Willow show and Man it was terrible but hey I found the movie boring too. I watched the film recently too before the show aired so that I could remember what happened

I watched the Obi-Wan episodes hoping to have a good series...

It was a total disappointment... I didn't even finish watching it in its entirety.

The Disney Series can have quality sound effects and moderately visual... But in execution... They are very boring.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Dude, i'm not straight and i roll my eyes to the amount of times Disney promotes their movies with a "first on-screen gay kiss".

I feel like it has happened god knows how many times and using lgbtq+ people as a means to an end is just not good to anyone. Even worst...is that movies that they clearly wanted to take it there, like Luca, they didn't. I think they blew it with Luca and are trying to force this in movies that weren't even about any of that int he first place.
"oh look, another kiss right there barely showing anything, where you can cut it in countries that will probably ban it if the scene isn't removed" lmao

Again.

Why show these things in a children's movie??... Why show a poor puppy in a children's movie???

I personally find it unpleasant to show a poor 3-legged puppy to a movie aimed at children.

And it's forced to include gays... That's permissible in adult movies... But not for children.

 

[Hoppa]

why do we care about this movie

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Again.

Why show these things in a children's movie??... Why show a poor puppy in a children's movie???

I personally find it unpleasant to show a poor 3-legged puppy to a movie aimed at children.

And it's forced to include gays... That's permissible in adult movies... But not for children.

Why are gay relationships not suitable for children? If those should be forbidden, then all others should as well.

We didn't grow up with lgbtq+ representation anywhere and there's gay people anyway, lmao.

This idea that including that in children movies is going to turn people gay is a load of bullshit. It only normalizes it instead of having generations of kids growing up with god knows how many fears, self loathing, self doubting, etc.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Why are gay relationships not suitable for children? If those should be forbidden, then all others should as well.

We didn't grow up with lgbtq+ representation anywhere and there's gay people anyway, lmao.

This idea that including that in children movies is going to turn people gay is a load of bullshit. It only normalizes it instead of having generations of kids growing up with god knows how many fears, self loathing, self doubting, etc.

Children do not yet present the emotional maturity of the social environment and are susceptible to the actions of adults.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

I watched the Obi-Wan episodes hoping to have a good series...

It was a total disappointment... I didn't even finish watching it in its entirety.

The Disney Series can have quality sound effects and moderately visual... But in execution... They are very boring.

Obi-Wan Kenobi was such a disappointment

I thought Book of Boba Fett was good though

The Mandalorian Season 1 was ok

The Mandalorian Season 2 was fantastic
Andor Season 1 was fantastic

 

[Rran]

Why are gay relationships not suitable for children? If those should be forbidden, then all others should as well.

This point gets brought up often, but the situations aren't equivalent. Like it or not, there are a large number of people who feel that homosexual behavior is sinful. To them, promoting it in media is akin to promoting other behaviors that are wrong.

Now, you're free to disagree with that core belief (which is a much larger conversation), but the fact that one type of relationship is seen as acceptable and one is not very sufficiently answers the "portrayal of gay relationship vs straight" objection.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Is it just me or this forced inclusion in Hollywood is starting to backfire?

The minority they are going with could be less than 1% of the population, and most of them are not really interested in those movies, to begin with. Also, they piss off around 90% of the people who are interested in the movies. For some reason they do not understand that and keep going, If they go out of business it is on their own doing, and only they can blame themselves (who I am kidding, they will blame anyone else but themselves).

 

[murmulis]

In my country some cinemas added warnings about "LGBT content".

 

[th4tguy]

Children do not yet present the emotional maturity of the social environment and are susceptible to the actions of adults.

This can be said about ANY representation even straight couples. It’s only a problem if the representation being shown is seen as wrong or bad.
You don’t have a problem with a guy kissing a girl in a children’s movie because that’s a good/normal relationship. You don’t think a gay couple should be shown because that might give kids the wrong idea of what is normal and good.

Gay couples and relationships are not a bad thing. They aren’t the majority. They aren’t overtaking society and aren’t going to force anyone to like or be something they aren’t.
You aren’t turned on by guys just because you see a ton of dicks in straight porn.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Seems to be a big pushback against Disney. Flop after flop. I haven't cared for any of their recent output. Their live action films of their animated classics are uninspired and boring. The latest Pinocchio was so mediocre. And Pixars output have been middling at best. This movie looks like shit with subpart animation. How the fuck did it end up with a 180 million dollar price tag? I wish Disney went back to traditional animation again. Maybe it's time to reinvent. The last one was Princess and the frog and that was 2006.

Woke took over, this is the output, sadly.

 

[jason10mm]

This can be said about ANY representation even straight couples. It’s only a problem if the representation being shown is seen as wrong or bad.
You don’t have a problem with a guy kissing a girl in a children’s movie because that’s a good/normal relationship. You don’t think a gay couple should be shown because that might give kids the wrong idea of what is normal and good.

Gay couples and relationships are not a bad thing. They aren’t the majority. They aren’t overtaking society and aren’t going to force anyone to like or be something they aren’t.
You aren’t turned on by guys just because you see a ton of dicks in straight porn.

The issue here is that 99% of kids come from a heterosexual parent unit (I mean, this basically makes sense) so for CHILDREN, a boy-girl relationship just mimics what they see at home with their parents. So there is no need to explain or question it at all. But same sex couples in children's films (especially those with children of their own like Lightyear) IMMEDIATELY prompt questions, and parents have varying levels of desire to answer them.

So why do it? It only directly appeals to 1% of your target demo, but risks alienating the other 99% (depending on the level of involvement). Now in a teen/YA centered project, there are very few issues raised and, of the little of it I watch, the LGBT+ train is running full steam ahead on EVERY SINGLE ONE. But a kids/family film? Why?

Kids will see it organically (or not) if they happen to have a class with a kid from a same sex household.

The same thing comes up with divorce, abuse, drug use, sex, etc. There are many aspects of life that a large contingent of the audience DOES NOT WANT in their kids media, for many reasons. So when Disney picks that hill to die on, they gotta be ready for the consequences.

 

[Kraz]

Forbidden Planet is absofuckinglutely fantastic. Caught it on Turner Classic Movies by chance one day and loved it, dated special effects and all.

If Strange World took any inspiration from it they failed to show any of it in the marketing.

Only marketing I saw was in this thread. The trailer has some parallels that can be drawn. The eldest Clade as Dr. Morbius/Prospero was the most obvious. The blue glowy thing Robbie/Ariel. Some setting and plot. Title graphics brought it to mind for me. The later pictures posted show a monster/Caliban.

Now that this has my attention I'm very interested in seeing how they adapted all these elements and the others mentioned from their sources.

Will it be out on D+ the Day after Tomorrow? Yes, I looked more closely at the cast this morning.

Definitely feel more confident about this film knowing Alan Tudyk is a voice.

The gay family thing hasn't alarmed anyone but religious crazies in the West since the 80s.

 

[jason10mm]

Definitely feel more confident about this film knowing Alan Tudyk is a voice.

Bah, he was credited in Moana as well and all he did was cluck. Hopefully they use him more in this.

 

[th4tguy]

The issue here is that 99% of kids come from a heterosexual parent unit (I mean, this basically makes sense) so for CHILDREN, a boy-girl relationship just mimics what they see at home with their parents. So there is no need to explain or question it at all. But same sex couples in children's films (especially those with children of their own like Lightyear) IMMEDIATELY prompt questions, and parents have varying levels of desire to answer them.

So why do it? It only directly appeals to 1% of your target demo, but risks alienating the other 99% (depending on the level of involvement). Now in a teen/YA centered project, there are very few issues raised and, of the little of it I watch, the LGBT+ train is running full steam ahead on EVERY SINGLE ONE. But a kids/family film? Why?

Kids will see it organically (or not) if they happen to have a class with a kid from a same sex household.

The same thing comes up with divorce, abuse, drug use, sex, etc. There are many aspects of life that a large contingent of the audience DOES NOT WANT in their kids media, for many reasons. So when Disney picks that hill to die on, they gotta be ready for the consequences.

If something ( of any nature is forced into a story) I agree that often it either doesn’t add to anything or can even hinder the story/ character. However, every instance of representation lately is treated as if it was mandated from the online masses.
This just isn’t true. Often times, the creative artists and story tellers are looking for unique traits to add depth to a character. A flaw or something in their backstory that has to be overcome. It doesn’t always have to be a negative. That’s how you get the, “ you were born special” stories.
My point is, the same people who are writing and creating this content are the same kind of people who have some involvement with LGBT movement, even if it’s just to agree with LGBT rights. They are more liberal.
They decide what traits to give characters based off what they are interested in and discussion of LGBT rights has been a very active thing for a lot of them. It’s not surprising that it’s showing up more in media.

As for not wanting to have a conversation with a child about what are gay people… that has been touched on so many times and is a very lazy reasoning for not having a specific type of character in a children’s film.
When people are more comfortable with higher levels of violence than a normal gay relationship in a kids movie, it really highlights what the real problem is.

Edit: You mentioned people not wanting extreme violence, sex, or drugs in kids films and I agree. We don’t want that because it’s bad and showing kids bad things is not what anyone wants. If you think showing a gay person is on the same level as those things then that is the problem.

 

[GymWolf]

Dude, i'm not straight and i roll my eyes to the amount of times Disney promotes their movies with a "first on-screen gay kiss".

I feel like it has happened god knows how many times and using lgbtq+ people as a means to an end is just not good to anyone. Even worst...is that movies that they clearly wanted to take it there, like Luca, they didn't. I think they blew it with Luca and are trying to force this in movies that weren't even about any of that int he first place.
"oh look, another kiss right there barely showing anything, where you can cut it in countries that will probably ban it if the scene isn't removed" lmao

I'm curious, are gay people not straight because they bend over?

Spoiler

 

[Fuz]

Seems to be a big pushback against Disney. Flop after flop. I haven't cared for any of their recent output. Their live action films of their animated classics are uninspired and boring. The latest Pinocchio was so mediocre. And Pixars output have been middling at best. This movie looks like shit with subpart animation. How the fuck did it end up with a 180 million dollar price tag? I wish Disney went back to traditional animation again. Maybe it's time to reinvent. The last one was Princess and the frog and that was 2006.

Let's get back to rotoscope.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Looks like a "movie by committee."

 

[Fuz]

Like it or not, there are a large number of people who feel that homosexual behavior is sinful.

Time for them to evolve or go extinct.