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[Inanilmaz]

The no voters :

Really?

Really?

Look Gary there I am!"

 

[Inanilmaz]

If it was a switch pro all the games would run on the og switch.

Was the new 3ds next gen too at that time? The base 3ds couldn't run Xenoblade

 

[RoboFu]

It's obviously quite a bit more powerful than a ps4 and even a series s so I would say yes.

 

[fallingdove]

No, you suggesting that we talk about what we “feel” is next-gen or not is by far the stupidest thing possible.

Without a common definition there’s no discussion to be had here and no way to move forward.

It’s impossible to define “next-gen”. It’s different for everyone and it always has been.

You and every other Nintendo fan (who haven’t even played the console yet btw) are desperately trying to elevate the power of the system so that it isn’t, once again, perceived as the underpowered console for kids. You are doing so by holding on to a statement from a GPU manufacturer who has not only outright lied about the capabilities of their tech in the past, who’s sole responsibility it is to make their tech sound as industry leading and cutting edge as possible.

We have that statement alongside those from an outlet that focuses on pixel and frame counting. They are saying that every game shown fell into the 1080p/30 1440p/30 realm with Cyberpunk displaying at 540p/30.

So again, what objective truth is to be had here? Where is that indisputable definition that is somehow going to bring reason to the opinion-based conversation that has raged on since the beginning of console history?

 

[Robb]

It’s impossible to define “next-gen”. It’s different for everyone and it always has been.

You and every other Nintendo fan (who haven’t even played the console yet btw) are desperately trying to elevate the power of the system so that it isn’t, once again, perceived as the underpowered console for kids. You are doing so by holding on to a statement from a GPU manufacturer who has not only outright lied about the capabilities of their tech in the past, who’s sole responsibility it is to make their tech sound as industry leading and cutting edge as possible.

We have that statement alongside those from an outlet that focuses on pixel and frame counting. They are saying that every game shown fell into the 1080p/30 1440p/30 realm with Cyberpunk displaying at 540p/30.

So again, what objective truth is to be had here? Where is that indisputable definition that is somehow going to bring reason to the opinion-based conversation that has raged on since the beginning of console history?

You said you don’t believe the NVIDIA metric so I asked you to provide a metric you believe in to get an answer.

It’s not like the NVIDIA metric is the ”objective truth” about anything being next-gen or not. But it sure as hell is a better measure than what you or me personally find impressive or not. There needs to be comparable quantifiable baseline, otherwise the discussion is utterly pointless.

But hey, lets just throw in whatever.. The Switch 2 comes with built in PC controllers so I’d say it’s a gen ahead of Ps5.

 

[fallingdove]

You said you don’t believe the NVIDIA metric so I asked you to provide a metric you believe in to get an answer.

It’s not like the NVIDIA metric is the ”objective truth” about anything being next-gen or not. But it sure as hell is a better measure than what you or me personally find impressive or not. There needs to be comparable quantifiable baseline, otherwise the discussion is utterly pointless.

But hey, lets just throw in whatever.. The Switch 2 comes with built in PC controllers so I’d say it’s a gen ahead of Ps5.

Cool - so ignore the DF analysis.

For someone so desperate for irrefutable truth, you seem to cherry pick as much as anyone. Good job, you win man-child!

 

[aevanhoe]

It has much better performance, it has new hardware features (DLSS, raytracing, 120hz, VRR, mouse controls) and its form factor and build quality is quite a bit improved.

In what world is this not the next generation of an existing product?

 

[MayauMiao]

Its a leap but not like PS1->PS2 kind of leap, that was a huge one.

To me feels like a PS4->PS5 leap.

 

[Schachtier]

Its like what PS5 is to PS4. It brings barely anything new to the party rather than raw power.

 

[Madjaba]

It's a leap for a 6 years old console, but nothing else really.

They closed the gap with the PS4 but we are in the middle of the gen of the PS5 (and PS5 Pro).

Let's be real.

 

[Robb]

Cool - so ignore the DF analysis.

For someone so desperate for irrefutable truth, you seem to cherry pick as much as anyone. Good job, you win man-child!

If you consider discussing and arguing based on opinions as a good thing more power to you. Have fun with that.

The only point I wanted to make was that I find it utterly pointless for someone to say ”I didn’t find this and that impressive so it’s obviously not next gen!” while someone else can say ”I find that and this super impressive so it is obviously next gen!”.

It’s not really a jab at you if that’s what you thought. I guess we can just end it there. Sorry if you felt things got too heated, wasn’t intentional.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

It's a leap for a 6 years old console, but nothing else really.

They closed the gap with the PS4 but we are in the middle of the gen of the PS5 (and PS5 Pro).

Let's be real.

Was there a different expectation when it comes to what it should’ve/could’ve been?

 

[SkylineRKR]

Isn't it 10x performance of NSW?

That would equal a 18tf PS5 when taking the base PS4 as a a metric.

 

[drganon]

It's a next gen leap over the original. In comparison to its competition, its in last gen territory. But that's been Nintendo's operating procedure for a while.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Was the new 3ds next gen too at that time? The base 3ds couldn't run Xenoblade

The new 3ds had how many games that didn't run on 3ds?

Emphasis on ALL switch 2 games would run on the og switch if it wasn't next gen.

 

[Lysandros]

The CPU is the series S is has more compute than the ps5.

No, it has not.

 

[dgrdsv]

It's a device with 2X-4X the pixel output and 2X the frequency of that output, it has all current generation features including RT and AI h/w and should be close to 10X in flops in comparison to its predecessor.
If that's not "a true next gen" then what is?

 

[Lysandros]

Isn't it 10x performance of NSW?

That would equal a 18tf PS5 when taking the base PS4 as a a metric.

It would. In an alternate reality where a single GPU metric scales perfectly with "performance".

 

[Rush2112]

MUST have an SSD if you even want to have serious conversation about this. If not, GTFO.

 

[fallingdove]

If you consider discussing and arguing based on opinions as a good thing more power to you. Have fun with that.

The only point I wanted to make was that I find it utterly pointless for someone to say ”I didn’t find this and that impressive so it’s obviously not next gen!” while someone else can say ”I find that and this super impressive so it is obviously next gen!”.

It’s not really a jab at you if that’s what you thought. I guess we can just end it there. Sorry if you felt things got too heated, wasn’t intentional.

Nothing heated about the conversation. Two opinions, neither of them valid or invalid.

You are excited about the Switch 2 — it seems like you are a Nintendo superfan (I am not), so you are naturally going to argue about the S2 being something special; I am going to be skeptical as I haven’t been impressed with Nintendo hardware since the Wii.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

No, it has not.

Yes, it has does.

Xbox Series S uses the same CPU as the Xbox Series X running at 3.6GHz.

• Xbox Series S CPU:
  • 8 cores
  • 3.6 GHz clock speed (3.4 GHz with SMT)
  • Custom AMD Zen 2 CPU
• PlayStation 5 CPU:
  • 8 cores
  • Variable frequency, up to 3.5 GHz
  • Custom AMD Zen 2 CPU

Xbox Series S CPU is Faster Than the PS5's

A source reveals that Microsoft is using the same CPU for both the Xbox Series S and X, making both consoles able to perform faster than the PS5.

gamerant.com

 

[Midway-AGNC-]

People are completely out of their mind if they believe this isn't a big jump from the OG Switch.

 

[LordOcidax]

People are completely out of their mind if they believe this isn't a big jump from the OG Switch.

And the worst part is that some of them thinks they are right…

 

[Lysandros]

Yes, it has does.

Xbox Series S uses the same CPU as the Xbox Series X running at 3.6GHz.

• Xbox Series S CPU:
  • 8 cores
  • 3.6 GHz clock speed (3.4 GHz with SMT)
  • Custom AMD Zen 2 CPU
• PlayStation 5 CPU:
  • 8 cores
  • Variable frequency, up to 3.5 GHz
  • Custom AMD Zen 2 CPU

Xbox Series S CPU is Faster Than the PS5's

A source reveals that Microsoft is using the same CPU for both the Xbox Series S and X, making both consoles able to perform faster than the PS5.

gamerant.com

Series S CPU is running at 3.4 GHz with SMT while PS5's is at 3.5 GHz with SMT, how is this resulting in XSS CPU having "more compute" exactly? If we are talking about real world compute throughput there are also other facets to consider besides this elementary aspect, like I/O reserves, interconnect latencies, API differences etc.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Yes, it has does.

Xbox Series S uses the same CPU as the Xbox Series X running at 3.6GHz.

• Xbox Series S CPU:
  • 8 cores
  • 3.6 GHz clock speed (3.4 GHz with SMT)
  • Custom AMD Zen 2 CPU
• PlayStation 5 CPU:
  • 8 cores
  • Variable frequency, up to 3.5 GHz
  • Custom AMD Zen 2 CPU

Xbox Series S CPU is Faster Than the PS5's

A source reveals that Microsoft is using the same CPU for both the Xbox Series S and X, making both consoles able to perform faster than the PS5.

gamerant.com

Its known the best thing about the XSS was the CPU. The problem is the rest, mainly the RAM and bandwith.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Series S CPU is running at 3.4 GHz with SMT while PS5's is at 3.5 GHz with SMT, how is this resulting in XSS CPU having "more compute" exactly? If we are talking about real world compute throughput there are also other facets to consider besides this elementary aspect, like I/O reserves, interconnect latencies, API differences etc.

That’s leaving out the whole up to 3.5ghz. As I said it has more compute power. Anyhow this is besides the main point I making stating that the switch 2 cpu side won’t be comparable.

 

[Lysandros]

That’s leaving out the whole up to 3.5ghz. As I said it has more compute power. Anyhow this is besides the main point I making stating that the switch 2 cpu side won’t be comparable.

PS5 CPU is running at 3.5 GHz most of the time with occasional minor drops, that is the default frequency in a sense. Besides this i agree, Switch 2 CPU should be much less powerful based on leaks and this will undeniably make an impact in CPU intensive scenarios.

 

[Madjaba]

Was there a different expectation when it comes to what it should’ve/could’ve been?

For some yeah it could have been different and for others it fits the bill.

But whatever "side" you are we're not talking about "next-gen".

 

[RAIDEN1]

It's more a switch pro, giving it much needed more horsepower, but not setting the world alight in doing so, (after all Nintendo left that race since 2001)....

 

[Woopah]

It's obviously quite a bit more powerful than a ps4 and even a series s so I would say yes.

Its not more powerful than a Series S. At all.

 

[RoboFu]

Its not more powerful than a Series S. At all.

cyberpunk and streetfighter 6 beg to differ.

 

[Woopah]

cyberpunk and streetfighter 6 beg to differ.

It has more modern architecture, but the power draw is lower.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

For some yeah it could have been different and for others it fits the bill.

But whatever "side" you are we're not talking about "next-gen".

I guess if you only consider “next-gen” the next advancement relative to other consoles. Like a theoretical PS6. Switch 2 is about as forward thinking as a handheld can be in 2025. The ROG Ally X and Legion Go are not a generation beyond the Switch 2

 

[Schmendrick]

I don`t get the discussion....
Ofc it`s a next gen device if you look at Nintendo`s ecosystem.
And as a handheld it`s not comparable to the stationaries anyways....

 

[Soapbox Killer]

I don`t get the discussion....
Ofc it`s a next gen device if you look at Nintendo`s ecosystem.
And as a handheld it`s not comparable to the stationaries anyways....

You are right and yet I think it is comparable to the stationaries (I like that term) in so far as getting competitive and competent versions of yet to be released games.

(Leave GTA6 off the map for now)

There are games that just don’t work on Switch One regardless of how much magic the most talented team put into it. Right now I don’t think there is any game out that can’t run on the switch 2 (maybe Black Myth WoKong but that’s another story)

There was a significant difference in PlayStation 2 and Xbox 2001 but they all got the same games. This kinda feels like that.