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[LordOcidax]

What game is this?

Fast Fusion by Shinen

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Fast Fusion by Shinen

Looks FANTASTIC

 

[LordOcidax]

Looks FANTASTIC

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/fast-fusion-for-switch-2-screenshots-lowres.1682635/

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

And it’s seemingly better than a Steam Deck too, so what are we arguing here?

And no, James said it wasn’t next-gen because it doesn’t match the current consoles. This doesn’t even make sense. Of course, a portable console cannot match home consoles.

It has ML upscaling, which the current consoles don’t even have. It has RT, it has 120Hz support, VRR and 4K support. These are hallmarks of a current gen device. It’s Ampere-based, so with an even more modern architecture/feature set than the PS5/SX.

It’s 8nm in 2025 and the dock should at least match XSS in 2025…

As for handheld play, Steam Deck is old at this point…

 

[SweetTooth]

And it’s seemingly better than a Steam Deck too, so what are we arguing here?

And no, James said it wasn’t next-gen because it doesn’t match the current consoles. This doesn’t even make sense. Of course, a portable console cannot match home consoles.

It has ML upscaling, which the current consoles don’t even have. It has RT, it has 120Hz support, VRR and 4K support. These are hallmarks of a current gen device. It’s Ampere-based, so with an even more modern architecture/feature set than the PS5/SX.

It needs to be proven first, also how come no one bring the Rog Ally lineup which both wipe the floor with Switch 2 docked even? Nintendo is selling you an outdated of the shelf handheld with 256GB of storage and $80 simplistic games.

And Im 100% sure performance WILL disappoint even more as we progress and the full spec sheet will be revealed, all these fancy words means nothing in the end.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

It’s 8nm in 2025 and the dock should at least match XSS in 2025…

As for handheld play, Steam Deck is old at this point…

Should match the XSS? How’s that? The CPU is the series S is has more compute than the ps5. Unless you’re talking rendering power… maybe but that’s taking into account dlss and that’s still a maybe.

 

[Gaiff]

It’s 8nm in 2025 and the dock should at least match XSS in 2025…

There’s no more modern Tegra chip. I already told you. The N1X is slated for Q4 2025.

As for handheld play, Steam Deck is old at this point…

It’s just 3 years old and the Switch has far better battery life, a better screen, better RT, 120Hz, AND DLSS.

It needs to be proven first, also how come no one bring the Rog Ally lineup which both wipe the floor with Switch 2 docked even? Nintendo is selling you an outdated of the shelf handheld with 256GB of storage and $80 simplistic games.

And Im 100% sure performance WILL disappoint even more as we progress and the full spec sheet will be revealed, all these fancy words means nothing in the end.

And starts at $650. Yeah, the games situation is a ripoff though.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

There’s no more modern Tegra chip. I already told you. The N1X is slated for Q4 2025.

Should have waited longer or invested in a smaller process sooner, because you’re going to get a much bigger leap when that drops

 

[LakeOf9]

It needs to be proven first, also how come no one bring the Rog Ally lineup which both wipe the floor with Switch 2 docked even? Nintendo is selling you an outdated of the shelf handheld with 256GB of storage and $80 simplistic games.

And Im 100% sure performance WILL disappoint even more as we progress and the full spec sheet will be revealed, all these fancy words means nothing in the end.

Ron Ally costs $200 more than the Switch 2 lol

 

[LordOcidax]

Should have waited longer or invested in a smaller process sooner, because you’re going to get a much bigger leap when that drops

You have zero idea on how development a console works…

 

[EverydayBeast]

Nobody worried about if game cube was “true next gen”.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

You have zero idea on how development a console works…

Waiting 2 more quarters…? Their current tech has been ready for a long time already

Most console technology is fairly closely aligned to be as soon as it’s available after the mobile crowd gets dibs first

 

[LordOcidax]

Waiting 2 more quarters…? Their current tech has been ready for a long time already

Most console technology is fairly closely aligned to be as soon as it’s available after the mobile crowd gets dibs first

The Switch 2 uses a custom chip specifically made for Nintendo according to Nvidia, we don’t have any idea about the features set of that chip.

 

[fallingdove]

Didn’t NVIDIA say it’s 10x the graphics capability of the current Switch?

How does that compare to the move from PS4 to PS5/XBO to XBSX/S?

I don’t buy the whole 10x power Nvidia marketing mumbo jumbo.

Frame gen and upscaling to 4k from sub 1080 native images isn’t particularly impressive to me. Especially with a $450 console, $80 games, and shorter battery life.

 

[SweetTooth]

There’s no more modern Tegra chip. I already told you. The N1X is slated for Q4 2025.

Why make yourself hostage to Nvidia? Why they didn't innovate and explore options? Why not creating custom solutions? Consoles used to be like this?

And starts at $650. Yeah, the games situation is a ripoff though.

It has 1TB of storage and way better internals. My point is Nintendo could have pushed for really state of the art performance (utilizing their cheaper logistics and their bargaining power plus economy of scale)

But its Nintendo, they do the bare minum and historically look for cheap of the shelf solutions.

 

[Woopah]

What is steam deck? Its portable too. And was made by a company with was less manufacturing mustles than Nintendo, and less reach logistically.

Also its not me and James who brought any console to this conversation, its the unhinged delusional fans who kept spoting PS4, PS4Pro ..and even PS5PRO!! Lol

I say good luck with that, time will tell .

1. James literally did bring consoles to this conversation, saying it should be Series S level
2. Not a single person in this thread has said Switch 2 has the power of a "PS5PRO!!"

 

[SweetTooth]

1. James literally did bring consoles to this conversation, saying it should be Series S level
2. Not a single person in this thread has said Switch 2 has the power of a "PS5PRO!!"

Key word

But I digress, I have really nothing to add to this topic, I voted next gen btw

 

[Woopah]

Key word

But I digress, I have really nothing to add to this topic, I voted next gen btw

I specified this thread because you specified "this conversation". But yes it's a bit off topic.

 

[LordOcidax]

I don’t buy the whole 10x power Nvidia marketing mumbo jumbo.

Frame gen and upscaling to 4k from sub 1080 native images isn’t particularly impressive to me. Especially with a $450 console, $80 games, and shorter battery life.

So, is about the price now?

 

[Kerotan]

It's a switch Pro but IMO the PS6 will be a PS5 Pro Pro. There's no shame in it either.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

It definitely is especially after learning it HAS DLSS and RT along with 120hz in handheld and a 1080p screen is going to be great. I feel much better about the price after learning this stuff.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

It's absolutely a generational step up from the Switch.

Metroid Prime 4 at 4K/60 FPS makes the Switch versions look ancient.

Lack of an OLED sucks though! Now I have to keep my Switch 1 around to play all the spritebased and 2d games that really pop on that Oled screen. The LCD will be fine for new games coming out but I don't want a downgraded experience with the simple 2d stuff that tends to really look amazing on Oled.

They should've offered a more expensive Oled option!!

 

[Kataploom]

Ok, but that doesn’t make switch 2 impressive hardware in 2025, which is what we care about, not labels like “is it a generational leap”

Switch 1 in 2017 was weak, and Switch 2 in 2025 is still weak

The Nintendo games will look good due to art and limitations, third party ports will be far less desirable

Different year, same story

I hope you don't play on consoles then, none of them

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I hope you don't play on consoles then, none of them

I do, the technology offered is competitive for the silicon available at the time with the power footprint constraints of consoles

Not true for switch 2

 

[Kataploom]

I do, the technology offered is competitive for the silicon available at the time with the power footprint constraints of consoles

Not true for switch 2

Damn, tell us then which SoC should the Switch 2 have to be worthy

 

[Buggy Loop]

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Damn, tell us then which SoC should the Switch 2 have to be worthy

It’s the silicon size, not necessarily architecture

 

[LordOcidax]

Damn, tell us then which SoC should the Switch 2 have to be worthy

He is talking nonsense at this point…

 

[blacktout]

What game is this?

Fast Fusion. The new Shin'en racing game.

Edit: Oops, already answered by a post above me.

 

[fallingdove]

So, is about the price now?

Why can’t every factor be weighed when determining value and next-gen-ness?

We are talking about a $450 device that is running 5 year old games at 540p/30FPS; a console that will last you 2 hours while playing high end games and 6 hours on indies, a console who’s biggest innovations are a camera, a paid chat button and carpal tunnel mouse functionality for a wheelchair basketball game.

Everything about the switch 2 feels dated. Where they are usually such a pioneering company that challenges the way we play games, they decided just to challenge how much we pay for them.

 

[genesisblock]

It has not 1 but 2 mouse features. This will open the door to games previous untenable for strandard consoles, like strategy games or point-n-click games. Maybe the next-gen is unlocking new gameplay experiences.

 

[LordOcidax]

Why can’t every factor be weighed when determining value and next-gen-ness?

We are talking about a $450 device that is running 5 year old games at 540p/30FPS; a console that will last you 2 hours while playing high end games and 6 hours on indies, a console who’s biggest innovations are a camera, a paid chat button and carpal tunnel mouse functionality for a wheelchair basketball game.

Everything about the switch 2 feels dated. Where they are usually such a pioneering company that challenges the way we play games, they decided just to challenge how much we pay for them.

Some of you are starting to look pathetic At least watch some comparison videos…

 

[Gaiff]

It's a switch Pro but IMO the PS6 will be a PS5 Pro Pro. There's no shame in it either.

How can you even say that? It takes ~720-900p 30fps games to 1440p60. That’s an even bigger leap than PS4 to PS5. Is the PS5 a PS4 Pro?

 

[Kataploom]

Why make yourself hostage to Nvidia? Why they didn't innovate and explore options? Why not creating custom solutions? Consoles used to be like this?



It has 1TB of storage and way better internals. My point is Nintendo could have pushed for really state of the art performance (utilizing their cheaper logistics and their bargaining power plus economy of scale)

But its Nintendo, they do the bare minum and historically look for cheap of the shelf solutions.

For starter, AMD doesn't even have anything comparable... Who does?

 

[Kataploom]

It’s the silicon size, not necessarily architecture

Oh damn...

BTW if some games are gonna run better on Switch 2 than on Series S like SF6 seems to be, it's gonna break my most optimistic expectations, I'm excited and anxious to start watching technical comparisons, June can't come soon enough

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Let’s do it like this:

Wii U = PS3
Switch = PS3 Pro (in a different timeline)
Switch 2 is closer to an Xbox One X


I would say it’s a a generation maybe a gen and a half since Switch was just a Wii U with a red nose and a hat

 

[Anthony Soprano]

Console games never hit their advertised target resolutions and frame rates. The keyword is "up to".

Nintendo was too cheap to even include a $1 ethernet NIC on the dock both times. They are actual turd burglars and I hope their anti-consumerism has the homebrew scene emulating this thing on PC before summer.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Switch 1 Mortal Kombat

Switch 2 SF6

The no voters :

Really?

Really?

 

[LordOcidax]

Switch 1 Mortal Kombat

Switch 2 SF6

The no voters :

Really?

Really?

Gamer79 The guy is on a agenda.
.

.

.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

How can anyone look at Metroid Prime 4k60 and not think this is a magnitude better than any switch game feels disingenuous. A conservative metric is PS3 To PS4pro however, Nintendo has basically been on the same graphic hardware for 13 years so how the hell could this NOT be a generational difference???


Make it make sense please

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Next gen would mean it should be PS6 level in power.

So I voted no.

 

[Robb]

I don’t buy the whole 10x power Nvidia marketing mumbo jumbo.

Frame gen and upscaling to 4k from sub 1080 native images isn’t particularly impressive to me. Especially with a $450 console, $80 games, and shorter battery life.

That’s all fine and dandy, but you or me saying it’s next gen because I feel like this or that isn’t of any value.

If you don’t believe the NVIDIA metrics, then post metrics you’d believe, or some other realistic quantitative way to measure what next-gen is or isn’t so that we can figure it out.

Seemingly this is a bigger jump than between PS4 to PS5, so unless we suddenly don’t count that as a ”generation” I don’t really see why Switch to Switch 2 wouldn’t be.

 

[Rambotito]

if the poll is dumb and I voted what does that make me?

pretty much....

 

[pulicat]

We went from this

to this

and from this

to this

35% of Gaf: It's just a PRO, and Nvidia lied to us about it being 10 times more powerful than the Switch.

 

[Kacho]

We went from this

to this

and from this

to this

35% of Gaf: It's just a PRO, and Nvidia lied to us about it being 10 times more powerful than the Switch.

It’s a good thing when the differences are immediately noticeable and doesn’t require a 10x zoom in.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

How can you even say that? It takes ~720-900p 30fps games to 1440p60. That’s an even bigger leap than PS4 to PS5. Is the PS5 a PS4 Pro?

They are about the same depending on the game. You're looking at a 5X leap roughly for both.

The issue is that the Switch 1 is coming from a MUCH less competitive base than the PS4 at the time of release.

 

[Gaiff]

They are about the same depending on the game. You're looking at a 5X leap roughly for both.

The issue is that the Switch 1 is coming from a MUCH less competitive base than the PS4 at the time of release.

PS4 games are generally 1080p30 and very stable.

AAA Switch games are almost never 1080p. Often 720p-900p and an unstable 30.

Then consider DLSS. Yeah, the leap is bigger.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

PS4 games are generally 1080p30 and very stable.

Switch games are almost never 1080p. Often 720p-900p and an unstable 30.

Then consider DLSS. Yeah, the leap is bigger.

PS5 has some impressive leaps in PS4 games even going to 120 fps. PS4 also adds RT, probably a bigger leap on the CPU, and a bigger leap on the storage speeds. Yes Switch does have DLSS but it doesn't seem to even be used at all strangely, neither is the RT capability from what I can tell? It's in the same ballpark as the Switch upgrade. So yes, Switch 2 IS a generational leap over the Switch 1.

....But as mentioned before, the less competitive base of the Switch is the issue. It was really underpowered in 2017.

Switch 2 is a decent upgrade but again, my main complaint is that it could have been more modern with a higher gap on the dock for console focused play. Really actually disappointed that Nintendo doesn't just release a dock only for people that want a higher powered console without the handheld. I'm basically paying for an LCD screen that I'll never use.

 

[ioo]

Not next gen, but for sure a high jump from the previous ons

 

[Boss Mog]

Yes and no. Compared to the original Switch it's a huge upgrade worth of being called "next-gen" but they're once again using outdated tech and charging a fortune for it. Being almost as expensive as a PS5 while being light years away from one is not something that screams "next gen". Even in the portable space, the ROG Ally X is far better despite running unoptimized generic PC code.