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The end (hopefully) of the "Sonic was never good" meme
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lostinblue
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I hope this thread mimics the sonic cycle.
Anyone over the age of 25 knows Sonic was amazing at one point.
If someone only lived during the last 20 years of games I'd see why they'd think Sonic was never good.
It'd be like expecting someone who only knows the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy to somehow understand that the series used to be good.
If someone only lived during the last 20 years of games I'd see why they'd think Sonic was never good.
It'd be like expecting someone who only knows the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy to somehow understand that the series used to be good.
Fbh
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Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Nope a lot of the younger ones can still appreciate Sonic when they play the older titles. Its actually a subset of boomers with this weird notion that the games were never good. They don't understand how the momentum works with, not against, the level design. 95% of the time they grew up with a SNES or N64. Many such cases.
Wildebeest
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I think when dealing with a Sonic fan, there is a time when the love of Sonic goes on just a little too long becomes just a bit too creepily intense that you have to make your excuses and back away.
Bonfires Down
Member
What is this? Some indoctrination campaign? I don’t think you’re gonna change anyone’s mind, especially with a fucking 90 minute video.
lol, the video even agrees that Green Hill Zone is the only well designed zone in Sonic 1.
lol, the video even agrees that Green Hill Zone is the only well designed zone in Sonic 1.
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Bragr
Banned
Sonic fans are like Kingdom Hearts fans, always overhyping the quality of their beloved titles.
Sonic was great early on, but I'm not sure if any of the games ever reached legendary status in terms of the quality of the games. Every Sonic I ever played had a mix of really good levels and really bad levels, including the early best ones.
Sonic was great early on, but I'm not sure if any of the games ever reached legendary status in terms of the quality of the games. Every Sonic I ever played had a mix of really good levels and really bad levels, including the early best ones.
01011001
Banned
while it's not true that Sonic was never good, it is however very true that Sonic Adventure 1 is an absolute atrocious game with terrible controls, awful Leveldesign and atrocious boss fights... also absolutely stupid mission types when playing other characters
and it is also true that about at least 1/3 of the levels of the original 2D games were complete ass, as soon as water was brought into the mix it was just awful.
and it is also true that about at least 1/3 of the levels of the original 2D games were complete ass, as soon as water was brought into the mix it was just awful.
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NeoGiffer
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Team Andromeda
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Let's face it most of the ones who hate on the Sonic 3D games, don't buy them.
nkarafo
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The physics in Sonic were revolutionary. No other platform game felt so good to control, not even Mario. Even now i don't think any 2D platform has ever managed to beat the physics and control of the Genesis Sonic games. They are so good that the pinball-ish elements in some levels feel better than most pinball video games at the time. Even Sonic Spinball (which was made by a different team and didn't have the same physics) was far worse than the pinball sections in the main Sonic games.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I can only go by the 16 bit days when I played Sonic and Mario.
Sonic had flashier colours, speed and better music tunes.
Mario had much better gameplay, secrets, sound effects (echos and cool audio effects), and visual effects like scaling and transparencies.
I thought Sonic games were actually boring once the speed and slick visuals wore off. But Mario (even the 8 bit games with basic visuals) I can play all day looking for secrets.
Never played 3D Sonic or recent games. So I don't know how much Sonic games have changed since Genesis.
Sonic had flashier colours, speed and better music tunes.
Mario had much better gameplay, secrets, sound effects (echos and cool audio effects), and visual effects like scaling and transparencies.
I thought Sonic games were actually boring once the speed and slick visuals wore off. But Mario (even the 8 bit games with basic visuals) I can play all day looking for secrets.
Never played 3D Sonic or recent games. So I don't know how much Sonic games have changed since Genesis.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
I agree with most of this (and I also prefer Mario over Sonic), but for those 16-bit Sonic games, "boring" is not a word I would use.
A lot of the levels have crazy verticality so I'm always discovering new things by jumping to different sections of a level.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Ah sure, it was so atrocious they made a sequel, and it went on to be one of the Gamecube's best-selling 3P games (alongside said sequel).
Please stop this revisionists history crap and using your own personal anecdotal case like it's widespread: of course the Adventure games have issues now compared to modern platformers but so do Mario 64 and Sunshine. Doesn't change the fact back in the day the games, even with their flaws, were favored very well and are still pretty good games today especially for people who are able to deal with the quirks of some retro games.
Also even more ridiculous to try saying any significant amount of Genesis/MegaDrive-era Sonic levels were bad, even with the water mechanic. It really just sounds like you weren't skilled enough to play the games decently. It's okay; everyone's got games they aren't good at. Doesn't mean those games are bad games, though.
The problem is for a long time there were a lot of so-called "journalists" and content creators who just hopped on the trend of shitting on Sonic because it was cool to do so, and then extended that to the classic games which were well-received in their day and among the legitimate retro scene. A lot of the people hating on even those games being posers because they either never played the classic Sonic games, or never tried understanding their design language and assumed they needed to play just like a Mario game in order to be good.
There have been so many bad faith arguments against the IP over the years that videos like these kind of became necessary, especially considering some of those bad faith arguments were from grown Nintendo manchildren fanboys/fangirls who still have sticks up their bums over the 16-bit 'console war'. When you start asking a lot of these people what aspects of the game design for the stronger entries is bad, their arguments fall apart and shows how weak their understanding on game design (or the game design language employed in Sonic games) actually is.
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Boomers? People born in the 1940s don't care about Sonic LOL.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
The term boomer is used more often online now as a broad tongue-in-cheek term for anyone 30 and over. Its obviously not literally referring to baby boomers in this context.
There’s even a subgenre of games called boomer shooters now lol
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DonkeyPunchJr
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This guy (and his penis) agree with you, OP
Berserking Guts
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Sonic 1, 2, 3, 3&K, and Mania are all fantastic games.
CamHostage
Member
I don't know, I always appreciated Sonic, even though I was a SNES guy I've played Sonic here and there since the beginning, I liked its play control and visuals, ultimately never owned a Sonic or beat a Sonic but I figured some day I'd finally give this franchise some devoted time, and I was pretty excited to finally when a new device came with Sonic CD free, I'd always heard this was the pinnacle of Sonic and really liked Christian Whitehead's approach to remastering it...
But then I played about half the rounds, and still didn't connect with Sonic. It's fun enough to run, it's fun to jump around, it's fun to beat a boss, it's kind of fun to explore a stage, but it never made sense why I was trying to do anything but run to the end of the stage. Not that I need a big story, but nothing felt connected or purposeful; it was just X number of stages to win and rank, and I didn't feel desire to play them again because there never felt like a surprise to discover, just more rings (which you only need one of... yes, getting 100 rings is an accomplishment, but sometimes I felt I was only grabbing rings to see how many could get tossed when I eventually smash into a spike by accident.)
Some day I'll try again (the Sonic Advance games by DIMPS seem like they might finally be the right blend of old-school and current Sonic for me,) but I was expecting to have that ah-ha! moment playing through Sonic CD where I was right there with Sonic fans, but it never did Sonic Dash into my heart.
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NeoIkaruGAF
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Imagine needing videos to explain why Mario games are good.
Captain Toad
Banned
"Sonic was never good" isn't a meme. It's an opinion.
One I kind of agree with.
One I kind of agree with.
TLZ
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Captain Toad
Banned
I'm 42. I owned Sega Genesis, Sega CD, Sega GameGear, Sega Saturn and Sega Dreamcast.
Sonic was never good.
BusierDonkey
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cireza
Member
I don't see many Sonic fans exaggerating the quality of the games. I really wonder from where you got this feeling. People who enjoy Sonic games just play them.
What I do see is a lot of people shitting on the series like it is an international sport without having a clue of what Sonic is, or having played anything. This I can tell, is very common.
I have been playing Sonic games since the very first one, and the vast majority of them are perfectly fine and a lot of fun. And this is no "overhyping" things.
Sid Of Bee
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I'm 42 and when I first saw Sonic on the Genesis that was the first time I thought about getting a Genesis instead of a Super Nintendo. Up until then, I was playing NES and desperately waiting for the Super Nintendo to come out. My cousin got the Genesis (literally right when it came out) so all I did was play a little bit of Altered Beast and a couple of other early titles. I felt like the Super Nintendo was going to offer something better.... So I was going to wait.
It must have been 1990 or so and my buddy Bryan got a Genesis (actually his older brother got it for the sports games)... but it came with Sonic. When the Sega logo came up with the voice intro and seeing the graphics that Sonic had that were so much further than anything I'd seen on the Genesis at that point... gave me second thoughts.
I did like the game a lot. It felt good, but I thought it was kind of tough to go as fast as they wanted you to go because I would just get stopped by stuff all the time. Then the water level kind of irked me. Otherwise, I enjoyed it. I would have conversations with my mother (who was probably just rolling her eyes) about whether I should get a Genesis or Super Nintendo for Christmas that year.
.... but then I played Super Mario World at a kiosk in the mall before Christmas that year. That set me straight. It was definitely an eye-catching game, but Sonic was never the satisfying game that the Mario games have been. In fact, a lot of side-scrolling games of that era didn't really compare to Mario at all It seemed. But Sonic came close.
I'd say by the Sonic games are good but maybe not great.
It must have been 1990 or so and my buddy Bryan got a Genesis (actually his older brother got it for the sports games)... but it came with Sonic. When the Sega logo came up with the voice intro and seeing the graphics that Sonic had that were so much further than anything I'd seen on the Genesis at that point... gave me second thoughts.
I did like the game a lot. It felt good, but I thought it was kind of tough to go as fast as they wanted you to go because I would just get stopped by stuff all the time. Then the water level kind of irked me. Otherwise, I enjoyed it. I would have conversations with my mother (who was probably just rolling her eyes) about whether I should get a Genesis or Super Nintendo for Christmas that year.
.... but then I played Super Mario World at a kiosk in the mall before Christmas that year. That set me straight. It was definitely an eye-catching game, but Sonic was never the satisfying game that the Mario games have been. In fact, a lot of side-scrolling games of that era didn't really compare to Mario at all It seemed. But Sonic came close.
I'd say by the Sonic games are good but maybe not great.
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daffyduck
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OK, Zoomer.
Kiddo Cabbusses
Member
A 90-minute video that looks and feels like it preaches to the choir more than actually going after the faux-journalists who actually started that meme is not going to end it. Sorry, bucko.
(Also please stop embarassing normies who might enjoy Sonic games with the overzealous fanaticism pleaseeee Half the reason the memes even exist to begin with is to bait those who unironically "would fuck Big the Cat".)
(Also please stop embarassing normies who might enjoy Sonic games with the overzealous fanaticism pleaseeee Half the reason the memes even exist to begin with is to bait those who unironically "would fuck Big the Cat".)
Yumi
Member
Weird, I thought it was the fan fiction.
Bragr
Banned
Some of those games are great, don't get me wrong, but it's never been on the level of something like Mario.
fart town usa
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For me, the first game is a stone cold classic. The only one that feels good to play and it has my favorite track in any Sonic title. (Labyrinth Zone)
Played 2 a lot as a kid but I don't really enjoy it now. Was never a fan of 3 of S&K.
3D games are an abomination, at least to me they are. Happy for those who like Sonic games but it always came off as style over substance and gameplay always seemed secondary.
That being said though, I read the Sonic novels as a kid (Uncle Chuck's Chili Dog Stand), bought the comics and had a killer Sonic stuffed animal. So fucking legit.
I can still draw Sonic in the same manner I did as a kid, lol.
Played 2 a lot as a kid but I don't really enjoy it now. Was never a fan of 3 of S&K.
3D games are an abomination, at least to me they are. Happy for those who like Sonic games but it always came off as style over substance and gameplay always seemed secondary.
That being said though, I read the Sonic novels as a kid (Uncle Chuck's Chili Dog Stand), bought the comics and had a killer Sonic stuffed animal. So fucking legit.
I can still draw Sonic in the same manner I did as a kid, lol.