OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I haven't seen the latest episode yet but have mutants been mentioned? I'm tired of waiting lol.
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bitbydeath
Member
On the other hand it was Lemar who talked John into taking the serum. I agree that Lemar made John a better person but it still shows John was trying.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
To be fair, Lemar had no idea John had the serum. He thought they were talking hypotheticals.
bitbydeath
Member
True, but John wasn’t taking it without his blessing.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Also true. Which also goes to the reason I said Lemar is his moral center. He didn't do certain things unless Lemar said it was the right thing. Lemar seemed like he would have been a GREAT Cap.
Kraz
Member
In the lead up to the montage with Sam many were probably thinking the same thing. I mentioned it earlier in the thread too.
There doesn't seem to be all that much sympathy for the flagsmashers from viewers. There's more fixation on John's qualities for the negative and Sam and Bucky for positive. The flagsmashers are kind of there to serve as only providing a means for other characters to establish their identities. It does seem like there was to be more to the fs and changing the virus plot hurt their arc in this story.
Reading what Wyatt had to say about the upcoming episode regarding John becoming "very dangerous" can't wait to see this finale.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I hope it's as epic and thrilling as I hope
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
You guys are still arguing about Walker? We all know he isn't a villain, he's most likely going to end up being a vigilante. Nothing wrong with being a vigilante. That's what you Walker fans want, right?
No, this is as straightforward as an 80s action movie or Lethal Weapon.
bitbydeath
Member
SafeOrAlone
Banned
I'm really enjoying the show overall, especially episode 4, but if they had more time, they could have let Wyatt have more of a transition period. The ease of drinking the serum and having less of a transition than Popeye feels a little too easy.
Just a nitpick.
Just a nitpick.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Someone on Twitter posted the TRUTH about what really happened in Episode 4 !
It somehow matches! LMBO!
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Batiman
Banned
For some reason I really want falcon to get the serum.
Also slightly disappointed in the show overall when it comes to the way the plot is played out. Found it a little messy. Still really enjoying it though. Surprised that I found myself more excited for the next episode of WV more than this. I wasn’t even sure if it was for me. I was much more hyped for this. Zemo is great but it felt like he just came and went. That’s assuming he’s done for the rest of the show. Best actor in the show
Also slightly disappointed in the show overall when it comes to the way the plot is played out. Found it a little messy. Still really enjoying it though. Surprised that I found myself more excited for the next episode of WV more than this. I wasn’t even sure if it was for me. I was much more hyped for this. Zemo is great but it felt like he just came and went. That’s assuming he’s done for the rest of the show. Best actor in the show
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
That's my Captain America!!!!
That was a satisfying ending to me... Kinda disappointed in the mid-credits, though.
That was a satisfying ending to me... Kinda disappointed in the mid-credits, though.
Heart_Attack
Member
I think the finale was the worst episode of the series lol. Rushed, editing, action scenes, cgi. You can blame covid, but it was bad.
bitbydeath
Member
It was good to see the peoples hero Sir John Walker kicking butt and saving lives.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It was good to see the peoples hero Sir John Walker kicking butt and saving lives.
It was good seeing Walker being
And Sam... Bucky... Those characters are pure of heart!
GaijinZero
Member
Sam would give Kyle a run for his money in speech making.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I think it was the point... we were supposed to sympathize with them... or at least with their cause. Sam did... and he did a SMASHING job of parlaying that in his speech near the end. He helped a lot of people with that speech.
Lupingosei
Banned
The Falcon was still the most uninteresting character. Walker had the best character arc over the whole show. Zemo was the best character and even in the end he actually got things done. Bucky was at least human and acted something like a real person, while Falcon was not even a character in the show. He is just a sockpuppet for the creators to tell the audience what they should feel.
Falcon has to preach to the audience, what the message is, they don't even let them discover it for themselves. It is so on the nose like the audience is some toddlers who still shit their pants.
Falcon has to preach to the audience, what the message is, they don't even let them discover it for themselves. It is so on the nose like the audience is some toddlers who still shit their pants.
The_Mighty_X
Banned
Retired = dead. In the MCU and in real life
BadBurger
Banned
Glad I woke up early to watch the finale. Hell of an episode.
Loved it. Now it's Loki time because I really don't care for M.O.D.O.K..
- The action was almost as good as an actual Marvel film at brief times
- Sam's Cap suit was awesome. He was awesome as Cap. Looking forward to him in the MCU films
- I am ambivalent towards agent Carter being the Power Broker. Maybe they can find a way to fit into the larger narrative of the MCU in an interesting way
- It was a great idea having it conclude with everyone having conquered their demons and moved on. It makes Bucky almost seem like a new character from here on out. I am glad Walker was redeemed and is US Agent. Sam can now feel like he is worthy of the mantle and doing Steve's legacy proud
Loved it. Now it's Loki time because I really don't care for M.O.D.O.K..
bitbydeath
Member
I’m thinking either:
Mutants (Movie) - Selling people mutant powers
Secret Invasion (Show) - She turns out to be a skrull
Secret Invasion (Show) - She turns out to be a skrull
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ManaByte
Gold Member
Hotty Botty
Member
Damn satisfying conclusion to the show. That new suit was beautiful and that moment at the end with Isaiah was my favorite of the episode.
Marvel will probably follow the Star Wars path where this show will spawn a bunch of other limited series. Personally I’d like to see:
-A Power Broker show that explores more of Madripoor and Sharon
-A flashback series that shows a young Isaiah Bradley and tells his story
-Zemo. Just gimme more Zemo
-Bucky. And not about his transformation as a character, but rather some stories of what he did as the Winter Soldier under Hydra control
The possibilities are truly endless and I can’t get enough of it.
Marvel will probably follow the Star Wars path where this show will spawn a bunch of other limited series. Personally I’d like to see:
-A Power Broker show that explores more of Madripoor and Sharon
-A flashback series that shows a young Isaiah Bradley and tells his story
-Zemo. Just gimme more Zemo
-Bucky. And not about his transformation as a character, but rather some stories of what he did as the Winter Soldier under Hydra control
The possibilities are truly endless and I can’t get enough of it.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Captain Falcon is just wack.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
They sure did say "s*it" a lot in the series.
ManaByte
Gold Member
SafeOrAlone
Banned
I really enjoyed the show but the finale was weak. The action scenes were poor, the plot felt incoherent at times and the pacing was choppy.
I thought the suit looked bad. That random little headpiece works in the comics, not here. Lose that bit and keep the goggles.
I thought the suit looked bad. That random little headpiece works in the comics, not here. Lose that bit and keep the goggles.
Kraz
Member
Who are you?
Versatile combat tech.
Showcase ability as a communicator.
The was one of Walker's most obvious deficiencies to give it the smallest of nods.
We want a rematch vs tictac.
Versatile combat tech.
Showcase ability as a communicator.
The was one of Walker's most obvious deficiencies to give it the smallest of nods.
Not when you say it.
Sounds like they might fix UP the helmet.
Super Soldier, Tailor, Spy. Like Falcon and the Snowman espionage nod.
Sounds like they might fix UP the helmet.
Super Soldier, Tailor, Spy. Like Falcon and the Snowman espionage nod.
We want a rematch vs tictac.
It's a great series but marred by eyerolling ideological nonsense. I don't mean the Black Falcon/Isaiah Bradley parts but the weak attempt to legitimize the Flagsmashers and the "terrorist" and "refugee" label nonsense that have real world corollaries.
Everyone got a satisfying conclusion in the end and Zemo proved to be the greatest hero in the entire series by killing the scientist, smashing up the serum vials and then executing the remaining Flagsmashers.
Everyone got a satisfying conclusion in the end and Zemo proved to be the greatest hero in the entire series by killing the scientist, smashing up the serum vials and then executing the remaining Flagsmashers.
Moon Grape Donut
Member
Zemo and Walker were my favorite parts of the show.
Karli... terrible villain, zero charisma and presence on screen. Sharon is also boring. Also it was weird that Sam ran to Karli when she was shot and didn't give a shit about Sharon, who was also shot and is his friend lol.
Karli... terrible villain, zero charisma and presence on screen. Sharon is also boring. Also it was weird that Sam ran to Karli when she was shot and didn't give a shit about Sharon, who was also shot and is his friend lol.
Spaceman292
Banned
I can't believe they made Falcon's costume even stupider than his first one. But overall I liked it.
Kusanagi2086
Member
Sharons story is not over I have a feeling this will lead into the Armor Wars show given that show will be about Stark tech falling into the wrong hands and given Sharons post credit scene she is preparing to steal a lot of tech.
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SkylineRKR
Member
I thought Sharon was awesome in the first episode she was in. Later on she's kind of bad and they gave away the twist way too early already.
I think its a nice setup for Dark Avengers or whatever they want to do though.
I think its a nice setup for Dark Avengers or whatever they want to do though.
sol_bad
Member
That was an amazing episode and a great conclusion. I loved Sam's new suit, looks great.
His speech was pretty damn amazing and inspiring. I don't care how "on the nose it", there are stupid people out there who don't understand things unless you spell it out to them. Sam's right about the Flag Smashers ideologies, they just went about it in a fucked up way.
They did a great job with Walker to. The show had me hating him in episode 4, then feeling bad for him but still feeling that he deserved his stripping in episode 5, then I was shouting at the screen rooting for Walker to save the people in the ACP.
I really hope these shows get 4K blu ray releases.
His speech was pretty damn amazing and inspiring. I don't care how "on the nose it", there are stupid people out there who don't understand things unless you spell it out to them. Sam's right about the Flag Smashers ideologies, they just went about it in a fucked up way.
They did a great job with Walker to. The show had me hating him in episode 4, then feeling bad for him but still feeling that he deserved his stripping in episode 5, then I was shouting at the screen rooting for Walker to save the people in the ACP.
I really hope these shows get 4K blu ray releases.
bitbydeath
Member
The same writers of this show are moving onto Captain America 4.
www.darkhorizons.com
"Falcon" Pair Writing "Captain America 4" - Dark Horizons
Malcolm Spellman, the head writer and show creator behind the just finished airing Marvel Studios TV series “The Falcon and the Winter Soldier” for the Disney+ service, has scored a new gig. Spellman will team with Dalan Musson, a staff writer on the show, on a fourth installment in the “Captain...
www.darkhorizons.com
BaneIsPain
Member
It was an okay-ish finale. As overall series, I think I only enjoyed one or two episodes. It is a bit weak but I hope Loki will be far better series.
sol_bad
Member
The same writers of this show are moving onto Captain America 4.
"Falcon" Pair Writing "Captain America 4" - Dark Horizons
Malcolm Spellman, the head writer and show creator behind the just finished airing Marvel Studios TV series “The Falcon and the Winter Soldier” for the Disney+ service, has scored a new gig. Spellman will team with Dalan Musson, a staff writer on the show, on a fourth installment in the “Captain...
Holy shit, I'm totally on board with this and for some reason did not think they'd ever do a Captain America 4.
This show was a disjointed mess. The main storyline about the Flagsmashers was boring. Karli and the Flagsmashers just were not interesting whatsoever. Sam was just ok his speech felt a bit corny, but then again Steve Rogers was also corny so it's probably just a Captain America thing. Winter Soldier feeling guilty is the most typical story telling. The only good thing about this show was US Agent not a full on villain just a guy trying to do the right thing but a but full of himself and has anger issues. The Isaiah parts were also decent. I give the show a 5/10 if I wasn't already a big Marvel fan it would be a 3/10.
bitbydeath
Member
Yeah, I wasn’t a big fan of the speech either.
Expecting the world to change because of a speech was a bit too easy, especially when the details of making it all work goes unexplained.
Expecting the world to change because of a speech was a bit too easy, especially when the details of making it all work goes unexplained.
