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The Fallout Series is potentially erasing New Vegas from canon
- Thread starter ManaByte
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lifa-cobex
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I mean they're fine games but very much a product of their times.
First fallout has best story but a very dated game.
probably skip 2. It's nothing special.
3 is good for its time but its an absolute buggy mess. Didn't really like the ending but meh.
NV is the highest regarded. It was made by the OG team who made the first game.
Fallout 4 is an absolutely, outstanding, ok game. Also a buggy mess.
fallout shelter is a fun mobile game that is also on steam.
Hudo
Member
I genuinely would not be surprised if Bethesda and Todd were actually still salty about New Vegas. He seems like a dude who'd get salty about getting beaten at his own game, so to speak.
metaru_geah_sorrido
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I think it's time for a 'Dark Todd' meme.
Red5
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killatopak
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Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Bethesda design director confirms Fallout: New Vegas is still canon: 'Of course it is'
"We've never suggested otherwise," says Emil Pagliarulo, lead designer and writer of Fallout 3 and 4.www.pcgamer.com
Should have asked Emil why NV is leagues ahead of F3 and 4.
mansoor1980
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the assassination of fallout new vegas by the coward todd howard
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ShadowkillXNA
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Nope. 4 was better for me personally.
bender
What time is it?
Skipping anything developed by Bethesda is the only correct advice.
Last Hearth
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I don’t considering anything Bethesda done canon. Bethesda never actually understood the fallout setting, everything they’ve done is at best fan-fiction to me.
digital_ghost
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Seems like there's a lot of.... fallout over the lore.
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FoxMcChief
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semiconscious
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RickSanchez
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I went back and read the Fallout wiki to understand the furore (and the only furore i have seen is this thread and apparently some people on twitter, but i dont browse twitter).
If i understand correctly, the point of contention is that in Fallout New Vegas, the NCR is still very much a powerful faction and NCR folks still mention Shady Sands as a location. In the show, Shady Sands gets nuked at an undspecified point in the timeline and the NCR is shown as a weak faction, basically just one ragtag group trying to eke out a living at the observatory.
As someone who generally stands for preserving the lore of source material in any future adaptation, i still think this is something that can be altered/improved in the second season, and hence not a very big deal. For fans of the New Vegas game, the game itself is going nowhere, it will always be regarded as a good game. Also the ending of the season 1 of the show clearly alludes to New Vegas itself being very much present, and possibly important in the season 2 plot. So the only point of contention seems to be how the show handled NCR and Shady Sands, which can be fixed in season 2.
If i understand correctly, the point of contention is that in Fallout New Vegas, the NCR is still very much a powerful faction and NCR folks still mention Shady Sands as a location. In the show, Shady Sands gets nuked at an undspecified point in the timeline and the NCR is shown as a weak faction, basically just one ragtag group trying to eke out a living at the observatory.
As someone who generally stands for preserving the lore of source material in any future adaptation, i still think this is something that can be altered/improved in the second season, and hence not a very big deal. For fans of the New Vegas game, the game itself is going nowhere, it will always be regarded as a good game. Also the ending of the season 1 of the show clearly alludes to New Vegas itself being very much present, and possibly important in the season 2 plot. So the only point of contention seems to be how the show handled NCR and Shady Sands, which can be fixed in season 2.
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xrnzaaas
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You can tell it's a (bad) joke when someone tells you to skip Fallout 2.
Or it's actually Todd Howard typing.
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March Climber
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OP was either behind on the news or didn’t watch the show long enough to know that this was debunked.
Red5
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Because Bethesda said it is, it will probably be integrated into the next Fallout seeing how popular it is.
ozz ex machina
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Wow - some people need to get a life.
Show is fun.
Show is fun.
poodaddy
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Krathoon
Member
It sounds like they are going to show what is going on in New Vegas after the New Vegas video game.
I am sure that may cheese people off if they make certain decisions canon. It depends on how vague they make the courier's story.
Trunx81
Gold Member
Just wait a minute. The criticism is that a few years later the NCR is not as powerful as it was in New Vegas? Let’s look at the timeline:
Nuking of Shady Sands: 2277
New Vegas: 2281, four years later
What could be possible:
- Some of the SS population survived. Some of them in Vault 4, others who knows where. Maybe some have rebuilt parts of the town elsewhere and called it the same name?
- Word of mouth travels a bit slower in the wasteland, so every information from NV has to be taken with a grain of salt
- It’s never mentioned that the nuking of SS destroyed the NCR, if I recall right
- and, like already mentioned: Vegas appears at the end of Season 1. Let’s see where we are heading with this, will we?
Nuking of Shady Sands: 2277
New Vegas: 2281, four years later
What could be possible:
- Some of the SS population survived. Some of them in Vault 4, others who knows where. Maybe some have rebuilt parts of the town elsewhere and called it the same name?
- Word of mouth travels a bit slower in the wasteland, so every information from NV has to be taken with a grain of salt
- It’s never mentioned that the nuking of SS destroyed the NCR, if I recall right
- and, like already mentioned: Vegas appears at the end of Season 1. Let’s see where we are heading with this, will we?
mindfreak191
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
PS.
The show ends with an incredible deliberate homage to New Vegas as the very likely setting for Season 2.
So, can't for the life of me see how anyone on Twitter can say that the show is erasing it from the 'timeline'.
The show ends with an incredible deliberate homage to New Vegas as the very likely setting for Season 2.
So, can't for the life of me see how anyone on Twitter can say that the show is erasing it from the 'timeline'.
MiguelItUp
Member
Exactly. I saw people saying the same kind of thing and they hadn't started watching the show, or finished it, lol. From what I saw it was just Twitter people being Twitter people. Well, and some YouTube channels as well. Just a bunch of grifter-like clickbait-y nonsense.
Zathalus
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Not only that, but Robert House is in the meeting scene.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Exactly. They may be moving the years around but to say that they're removing FO: NV from the timeline is preposterous.
Trunx81
Gold Member
Not only that, in NV they call Shady Sands “the first capital”. You can’t call something “the first” if there is no second. And when they abide your help with the Hoover Dam, they state that otherwise SS will fall. So the city was already in a bad shape during that lore.Exactly. I saw people saying the same kind of thing and they hadn't started watching the show, or finished it, lol. From what I saw it was just Twitter people being Twitter people. Well, and some YouTube channels as well. Just a bunch of grifter-like clickbait-y nonsense.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
FYI, Howard has clarified again that they're being careful with the show timeline and nothing should contradict with the game(s) with examples in this long new article.
www.ign.com
Fallout Official Timeline Confirmed: How the Show Fits In With the Games - IGN
The Fallout show is officially canon and Todd Howard and Jonathan Nolan explain how the show fits into the greater timeline set down by the games.
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