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The Panama Papers - Massive leak of secret documents about offshore companies
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The mess would be even bigger in a true free for all free market. This wouldn't even be a scandal then but just how life would be. It's super naive and idealistic to think a free market without public governments (lol) would magically change how capitalism works
LUFTRAUSER
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The gradual erosion of the supremacy of state sovereignty worries me. There needs to be more international regulation so that these offshore, stateless corporations and NGOs don't continue to grow in power.
Freeza Under The Shower
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considering they sent bankers to jail (unlike everyone else), this is going to be interesting to see play out.
Putin complaining about Russians who use offshore companies, in 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVKYD6D_W00
Sweet, sweet irony.
Sweet, sweet irony.
LUFTRAUSER
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They didn't just send their bankers to jail. They also dropped the billions in money their banks owed to other countries and essentially raised a middle finger to the global financial system. Needless to say that hasn't worked out too well for them.
Damerman
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Holy fucking shit. This has to be huge.
Goro Majima
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Definitely not Russia.
The Russian defense force will be defending this all over the Internet or hand waving it away with whataboutisms of the US. It'll be forgotten in weeks if not days.
PumpkinSpice
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Any Canadian politicians implicated?
Human beings love to think about ghosts that somehow "autocorrect" conditioning and habits based in egocentricity, dualism, division, and ultimately conflict. We ignore the thoughts and conditioning which produces all of this.
Invisible hands that self-correct a system run by thought is almost as hilarious as a creator God. It's somewhat worse because even secular thinkers get caught in the socioeconomic spook.
Red Liquorice
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What's funny about this, besides he's obvious shaken up at the line of questions, is his attitude that the journalists aren't playing ball by asking such questions. Like they've broken an unwritten code, which goes a long way to illustrate how this kind of thing can go on for so long, because unfortunately there is a large part of the media who will just stick to the guidlines and only ask the questions they're supposed to ask - which is completely the opposite of what they are meant to be doing.
Damerman
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I hope this sparks an occupy red square.
Gemüsepizza
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lmao
AbsolutBro
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I'm going to be the cynic and guess that two things will come out of this: jack and shit. These companies and banks and rich assholes continue to get away with this shit because they are rich enough to give no fucks when caught. Monarchs of their country? Who the fuck is going to touch them? Even rich asshole politicians will get what, slapped with a fine that is insanely small to the billions upon billions that they have made and secreted away?
They do this shit because they know, even if they get caught, that the benefits outweigh the costs. Banks do it all the fucking time, and until the penalties start to actually mean shit, they will continue to do it. And they will continue to destroy countless lives in the process because they know they can and they don't give a shit.
They do this shit because they know, even if they get caught, that the benefits outweigh the costs. Banks do it all the fucking time, and until the penalties start to actually mean shit, they will continue to do it. And they will continue to destroy countless lives in the process because they know they can and they don't give a shit.
Phantast2k
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1) How about we indict Gazprom Gerd? No? Only feeling it for the evil CDU? Wanna bet that Gabriel ends up with a bord of directors seat at Edeka-Tengelmann?
2) No one went to bed with Poroshenko, he was voted into office by more than a half of the Ukrainian electorate, if I remember correctly. What is the alternative to supporting Ukraine anyhow? "Going to bed" with annexing / warmongering assholes?
1.21Gigawatts
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A few heads will role, but not the ones of the important people, and there won't be any systemic change and the same shit will start again right away.
Diprosalic
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this is going to be interesting.
fucking bear and tiger always looked suspicious to me.
fucking bear and tiger always looked suspicious to me.
Phantast2k
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Already a reaction in Iceland: Icelands PM faces calls for snap election after offshore revelations | News | The Guardian
Yep, I wholeheartedly agree.
Capitalism at work.
Wanting to get back money from the 1% is commie talking.
Free market never worked better.
The idea of social welfare is not sustainable.
You are a conspiracy theorist for thinking that rich people would do that.
No i'm a realist. People with money will do anything to protect their interest. People that can't see that they basically control much of the information network with their money and don't understand that their own opinion are extremely biased in favor of the rich are just stupid. When we talk about redistributing wealth, we're not doing so because we're commie, but because the economical situation of the common people over the last 40 years has gone to shit and it's getting worse despite what everyone is trying to say to us. Data don't lie, those paper don't either.
But some people think they live in Candido's world. Fuck them and fuck the 1%.
Wanting to get back money from the 1% is commie talking.
Free market never worked better.
The idea of social welfare is not sustainable.
You are a conspiracy theorist for thinking that rich people would do that.
No i'm a realist. People with money will do anything to protect their interest. People that can't see that they basically control much of the information network with their money and don't understand that their own opinion are extremely biased in favor of the rich are just stupid. When we talk about redistributing wealth, we're not doing so because we're commie, but because the economical situation of the common people over the last 40 years has gone to shit and it's getting worse despite what everyone is trying to say to us. Data don't lie, those paper don't either.
But some people think they live in Candido's world. Fuck them and fuck the 1%.
ClosingADoor
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And my country - The Netherlands - is again the place for a lot of these business to go through also. The extra tax income here is nice for us, but they really should put a stop to it. It's bullshit and everyone knows it.
Not that surprised by the names and countries on that list. Let's see if we get more European and American businesses and names in the coming time.
Hope they keep the pressure on it and release new stuff for a long time. That's a lot of data.
Not that surprised by the names and countries on that list. Let's see if we get more European and American businesses and names in the coming time.
Hope they keep the pressure on it and release new stuff for a long time. That's a lot of data.
aaaaaaawkward....
NYCmetsfan
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Just saw a poll that the Pirate Party was leading polls if an election were held.
That would be crazy.
I don't think this will have a major obvious effect but more and more of these leaks and their local effects have to have the effect that people fear this stuff coming out so the culture might change as time goes on.
That would be crazy.
I don't think this will have a major obvious effect but more and more of these leaks and their local effects have to have the effect that people fear this stuff coming out so the culture might change as time goes on.
NYCmetsfan
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Phantast2k
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Lol, take a wild guess as to why corruption in Eastern European countries is such a big problem.
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Funky Papa
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Messi, you devious imp.
Schroeder and his pal Blair should first and foremost be hanged for their countless betrayals of the working class. And if I'm not mistaken, Gabriel is also part of the new right wing-social democracy, therefore I have no sympathies for him. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here? That I'm an SPD voter and just against the CDU or something? I'm not, I'm not even from germany.
2) just a thought, how about not going to bed with either one? how's that? There was absolutely no need to take sides. (but that's not really relevant to this thread)
Guerrillas in the Mist
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The RT article is pretty funny: goes into detail on all the other aspects of it, then just says something like "oh yeah, there's some allegations about Putin's mates" at the end, as if it's a minor part of it.
AbsolutBro
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It's not an issue of being good, it's an issue of being horrifically understaffed.
Even Jackie Chan is involved in this!
I'm anxiously waiting for tomorrow and see how much leading people from Finland are going to be named in the documents. Wouldn't mind the parliament getting a makeover.
I'm anxiously waiting for tomorrow and see how much leading people from Finland are going to be named in the documents. Wouldn't mind the parliament getting a makeover.
This is just the beginning mate. There is still weeks of information waiting for us.
FlyingSaucer
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Assad and Putin close friends, no big US politicians, it smell like a diversion job : feed the disposable ones to quell the plebs.
Out of curiosity, is the Icelandic PM the one who wanted to save the Icelandic banks ?
Out of curiosity, is the Icelandic PM the one who wanted to save the Icelandic banks ?
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I'm loving it. Specially given his high-horse, rah-rah nationalist attitude.
And seeing the Spanish royal family covered in mud once again is all but shocking.
You'd think they would release the most important people first. Make the biggest splash.
EnlightenedMint
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I love a good leak, looking forward to finding out more.
It's difficult to even wrap your head around the scale of this, and it's just one law firm that's been compromised. It'll be very interesting to see how this plays out over the next few weeks and months. It really does seem like corruption really runs wilder than even some conspiracy theories may have thought, albeit in a rather mundane way.
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