Comment makes zero sense unless he bought it off someone on street as you say would be returned straight away. It's got serious panel defect not a issue with oled that could happen with any TV and would be returned.Can't you return it?
Comment makes zero sense unless he bought it off someone on street as you say would be returned straight away. It's got serious panel defect not a issue with oled that could happen with any TV and would be returned.Can't you return it?
That is true, big plasmas are warm, you feel a difference in that regard.I don't know man, it generates so much heat, by the time I'm done watching a movie it's much warmer in my living room, fine for fall and winter, but the spring and summer it's just way too hot.
By portable OLED, you mean switch, mobile phone/tablet or a laptop? those can get brighter, but...The blacks look fine, but if you have any small white light on a dark background it just smears or has a significant halo. I never notice any motion issues on the portable OLED stuff I have. It's so dim in comparison too, just feel like the image quality isn't what people are on about. When I get a QD OLED I'll do my own comparison, but I really don't think it will be that big of a deal. 120 hz would be nice, I'm on PC, and 4k 120 is pretty nice, I'm about 5-6ft from my tv, with movies I don't really tell a difference, but I can on games for resolution.
Source: https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/10/...certification-brightness-color-viewing-anglesAccording to LTT, Samsung Display's QD-OLED hit almost 200 nits in fullscreen brightness, rising to 1000 nits over a 10 percent patch, and 1500 nits over a 3 percent portion of the screen (in general, the less of an OLEDs screen it has to illuminate, the brighter it can get). In contrast, Rtings review of the LG G1 has it hitting a maximum peak of 167 nits in fullscreen brightness, 827 nits on a 10 percent window, and 846 on a 2 percent window.
Yeah, the best full array LCD is still competitive. In a lot of cases that's the balance that I prefer, specially if it has a 240 Hz display and Sony's image processing.That's why I still use my ZD9 as my gaming display, the HDR impact is insane and dark scenes are almost always amazing.
I have the suspicion that they implement HDR without having a good reference set to test it on. They're probably using OLED's as reference panels now, so HDR if present is dim.The main issue for ZD9/ultra high end MiniLED LCDs is just lunatic devs not allowing you to control the brightness of the UI, so it blooms into the dark scenes, like in RE4 Remake recently, which has quite nice HDR but generally the presentation of shadows/dark scenes is weird in some areas, as it usually is in RE Engine games (RE7 and RE8 are best in this regard, almost perfect).
If you could only control the UI brightness in HDR mode that would solve most of my issue with LCD over OLED for gaming. I prefer my LCD motion over OLED, I dislike motion so clear that even motion blur can't make it smooth, I'm gaming at 30 and 60 for various reasons, so I can't just generate more frames to smooth it out.
2022 QD-LED - almost 200 nits
2021 LG G1 - 167 nits
2013 Panasonic 60VT60 - 158 nits
2013 Samsung F8500 Plasma - 301 nits
2016 Sony ZD9/Z9D FALD LCD - 600 nits![]()
Yeah, the best full array LCD is still competitive. In a lot of cases that's the balance that I prefer, specially if it has a 240 Hz display and Sony's image processing.
But as always with marketing going all OLED tv set quality on the LCD side of things has been dimming. Not because it can't be done but because there is no demand.
I have the suspicion that they implement HDR without having a good reference set to test it on. They're probably using OLED's as reference panels now, so HDR if present is dim.
Perfect quote from that article
Yep, it's basically about your viewing environment.Perfect quote from that article
If you're gaming or watching movies on your TV in a dimly-lit environment, OLED screens are a better choice. However, if you're a fan of HDR viewing experience in a brightly-lit room, Mini LED excels in those areas.
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Can't you return it?
What are peoples thoughts here on the Samsung Neo QLED? Thinking of picking up the newest 55" model QN90C (wanted the QN95C but not looking like Australia will get this model). I game mainly on it and that burn in factor for OLED is the only factor I will not go down that path.
Yeah and it's too bad they stopped making the U9H.The QN90C is a downgrade from the previous year. QN90A or QN90B are your best bet from Samsung. The Hisense U8H is a good LCD. The Hisense U8K releasing this year will likely be even better.
And price. You're looking at over twice as much for marginal improvements. I steered my family to a Sony LED because it's a daytime TV and they do a good job of a wide variety of content.What are peoples thoughts here on the Samsung Neo QLED? Thinking of picking up the newest 55" model QN90C (wanted the QN95C but not looking like Australia will get this model). I game mainly on it and that burn in factor for OLED is the only factor I will not go down that path.
I actually get a fairly sizeable discount on all things Samsung, hence why I'm looking at the Samsung TV's!!!Yeah and it's too bad they stopped making the U9H.
And price. You're looking at over twice as much for marginal improvements. I steered my family to a Sony LED because it's a daytime TV and they do a good job of a wide variety of content.
LG 65CX in living room with Series x, switch and ps3 connected.For your main television used for TV watching, gaming, etc... is it OLED or LCD (or something else)? I'm just curious what's most common on GAF these days. Also, how long have you had it?
I'll start - I don't currently own a TV but I've had this LG 27UK600-W (IPS) monitor for about 5 years iirc. I'm hoping to buy a TV later this year though.
OLED is not the future of anything, much like plasma it is a transitional technology as we work towards an emissive display technology that doesn't have pixels which wear out.I do not like low brightness. I had Sony A90k Oled that I returned after 2 weeks. if I want an acceptable brightness I have to put the brightness to the highest almost.
I am also very OCD, I had to put a wallpaper engine that moving wallpaper slightly and hide the taskbar and hide icons from the desktop just so I avoid burn-in. but the idea of burn-in kept playing in my head.
my monitor is Acer X27p from 2019. It's 4k 144 IPS with FLAD. I can not even put the brightness to more than 50% because it will be too high for my eyes. sometimes I keep it running for hours I do not even worry about it.
I know about the warranty of Oled and it will take 1000s of hours or whatever crap they want to feed us, I am just not ready for the hassle or doing returns and shit.
my next TV / Monitor will be the micro IPS. I do not fall for the hype influencers try to push on social media and youtube trying to push the oled technology. it's not for me and I do not think it's the future either.
My only experience with BFI is on a ~10 year old G-Sync monitor that cut the brightness right down, but my god it was worth it for the motion clarity. And now you're telling me I can have that at an every day brightness?Sony 85" X95K LED (uses a QD panel)
2000 nit highlights
800 nit full screen
100hz and 120hz BFI
Reasons not to go OLED: I use it 16 hours a day for work and entertainment, OLED is way to riskey with my static work desktop. I love intense bright HDR and don't like brightness limiting algorithms that reduces the risk of burn in. This year's LG MLA panels doesn't support 120hz BFI only 60hz which is an absolute no go once you're used to 120hz BFI. Also the X95K has virtually ZERO brightness drop when using BFI, it's quite ridiculous turning the feature on and off and trying to spot the difference, I measured with my light meter and it was at most a drop of 50 nit in some scenarios. An OLED would be closer to losing half of its light output.
I'm not hating on OLED and eventually this tech or similar will be able to do intense 2000+ nit HDR without dimming or worry of burn in, but we are not there for my type of use case.
Please note that this is on Sony miniLED TVs. I can't vouch for other brands or regular full array LEDs. Although regular ones tend to not lose too much brightness, I was still shocked when I saw how little my miniLED dropped.My only experience with BFI is on a ~10 year old G-Sync monitor that cut the brightness right down, but my god it was worth it for the motion clarity. And now you're telling me I can have that at an every day brightness?
Fuck all the rest of the arguments, that is the stuff I need from my next TV. I hope they do that on something about half the size, though.
Burn in is not a complete non issue. It's just that the brightness limiting algorithms and pixel refreshers (wear leveling) will keep things looking uniform. But eventually you will have burn in, especially if you view the same content all the time, such as a monitor with a taskbar or watch cnn everyday for hours. But if the content is varied and static content is kept within reason and brightness is kept reined in it may take years before it shows up on the newer models and before that that time you will likely buy a new one.OLED is the best display tech available in fairly reasonable prices. More expensive mini LEDs can come relatively close in IQ but pricing is close to OLEDs as well so it doesn't make much sense. Only scenario when mini led might be a better choice is for well lit rooms.
Perfects blacks, ultra low response times, excellent vrr support (at least on LG from 40-120hz), amazing image quality and good (for not super bright environments) HDR support.
Burn in is non issue in latest LG models and only other thing that can be considered as negative is that with almost instant response times 30fps games without motion blur can look stuttery. Solution to that is of course not to play and support games that are 30fps in 2023![]()
10 year old ST50 Panasonic plasma checking in- no burn in. Also have a LG C1.Burn in is not a complete non issue. It's just that the brightness limiting algorithms and pixel refreshers (wear leveling) will keep things looking uniform. But eventually you will have burn in, especially if you view the same content all the time, such as a monitor with a taskbar or watch cnn everyday for hours. But if the content is varied and static content is kept within reason and brightness is kept reined in it may take years before it shows up on the newer models and before that that time you will likely buy a new one.
Fact is, if burn in was a no issue. OLEDs wouldn't have all those anti burn in features and would be able to do bright 1000+ nit full screen content as well as highlights of over 2000 nit.
Just return it?Well I am gutted.Been saving for some time, and last week went out and purchased a Sony A80J OLED. Quick (glance) inspection at the warehouse and it all looked alright. Today, finally had some time so decided to unbox and set it up. After I took it out the box, and put the stands on, The horror! I noticed a circular hairline crack at the bottom centre. My heart sunk. Went to turn it on. Flash of red lines ,then nothing and the red light blinking. Sitting here now. Feels like a real bad dream.
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There's a distinction to be made there.10 year old ST50 Panasonic plasma checking in- no burn in. Also have a LG C1.
If you know your tech you can easily mitigate any burn-in risk in today's panels.
Burn in is not a complete non issue. It's just that the brightness limiting algorithms and pixel refreshers (wear leveling) will keep things looking uniform. But eventually you will have burn in, especially if you view the same content all the time, such as a monitor with a taskbar or watch cnn everyday for hours. But if the content is varied and static content is kept within reason and brightness is kept reined in it may take years before it shows up on the newer models and before that that time you will likely buy a new one.
Fact is, if burn in was a no issue. OLEDs wouldn't have all those anti burn in features and would be able to do bright 1000+ nit full screen content as well as highlights of over 2000 nit.
Hah, the thing is they're doing an insane thing to prevent burn-in, which is every few hours when you turn your tv off, it'll "pencil sharpen" it's pixels, by aging them all, and run a longer extra process every few thousands of hours when off. Send a OLED screen to LG for warranty and they might as well fix it through "pencil sharpening" and increasing voltage to compensate the loss of brightness that would occur, but that's not what you should want. Increasing voltage has a low ceiling limit too.That's why I said on LG models
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Longevity Burn-In Investigative Paths After 3 Months: QD-OLED vs. WOLED, LG vs. Sony, And More
Our accelerated longevity test has been running for over three months, and we've already encountered some very interesting results. We've already had three partial TV failures and one complete failure, which wasn't expected this early in the test.www.rtings.com
They have done the worst possible stress test for OLED tvs and LG models remained untouched by burn in issues. For normal usage probably all current OLED tvs will be fine.
It's just impossible for OLED's to operate at a very low light emission. LCD's are also lit by LED's but due to the layers above them they need to "over-expose" to get through, hence worse blacks. Pick your poison.
I wonder who buys those "consumer" level Micro-led tvs.Who needs OLED when you can have this??
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110" Class MICRO LED Samsung (2022) | Samsung US
Discover the latest art display TV features and innovations available in the 110" Class MICRO LED Samsung (2022).www.samsung.com
I wonder who buys those "consumer" level Micro-led tvs.
Even reading that is still blows my mind how Apple packed 10,000 mini LEDs 2500 zones and peak 1600 nits into their 12.9" Ipad Pro thats now 2 years old (I think its about 2 years old anyhow)[/URL]
This LCD from Hisense is going to be amazing and targeting rich people.
Even reading that is still blows my mind how Apple packed 10,000 mini LEDs 2500 zones and peak 1600 nits into their 12.9" Ipad Pro thats now 2 years old (I think its about 2 years old anyhow)