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[Tams]

"We believe that a three-pronged approach is needed to better protect public safety:

Effective legislation and enforcement to tackle dog-related issues regardless of breed or type and based on their behaviour
Interventions including education that focus on safe behaviour around dogs
A better understanding of why dogs bite"

"Between 1989 and 2017, 48 people died in dog-related incidents. Of the 62 dogs involved, 53 were dog breeds not on the prohibited list."

"There’s no robust research to demonstrate that dogs bred for fighting are naturally aggressive towards people or that they are unique in the way they can bite."

Banned Dog Types | Breed Specific Legislation | RSPCA - RSPCA - rspca.org.uk

Types of banned dogs under Breed Specific Legisation and what it means for owners. Why the law doesn't currently work.

www.rspca.org.uk

Again, fluff.

None of that is actually doing anything.

And the image of an RSPCA officer going up to a drug dealer or the like with his Bully XL is hilarious. Because they won't.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Again, fluff.

None of that is actually doing anything.

And the image of an RSPCA officer going up to a drug dealer or the like with his Bully XL is hilarious. Because they won't.

I don't know what you want here. They're saying the ban won't make people safer and have the data to prove it. They're saying what they think the right thing to do is.

Seems pretty simple to understand to me.

Now you know the ban won't work too, what do you want to do?

 

[jason10mm]

They just need to ban certain owners. Make you have to get a license for a dog, and judge which dog you can have based on appearance.

No bully dogs for these chaps

and no damned large dogs AT ALL for this one!

 

[Paasei]

I wonder if it’s the breed of the dog, or the people that have them. I’ve only ever seen “shady individuals” with these dogs.

 

[Tams]

I don't know what you want here. They're saying the ban won't make people safer and have the data to prove it. They're saying what they think the right thing to do is.

Seems pretty simple to understand to me.

Now you know the ban won't work too, what do you want to do?

I'm saying:

1. I think their research, and certainly their understanding of it is flawed.
2. That a ban would make the incidences of Bully XLs attacking in public much lower, simply because there would be far fewer in public.

And look, rightly or wrongly, cold hard logically or hotly emotional, public opinion has turned against Bully XLs. If the government don't do something about them, then vigilantes will start taking the matter in their own hands.

 

[cormack12]

It needs to be harder to own animals in general.

Women and children struggle with the strength of a Jack Russell kicking off. I've seen instances where something like a setter has turned when with a mum and pushchair. She literally had no control of it at all.

Strong dogs like this are nigh on unsubmissable when in a rage. Unfortunately because this is a social trend the only real short term weapon is a breed ban. Easy to police, cheap to implement, big impact as a policy, great PR......

Same with the staffy trend, same with French bulldogs etc. They need to tackle responsible ownership and hold people accountable. Law and order is pretty much fucked everywhere.

 

[Sub_Level]

Good. Its not the poor doggies’ fault but they gotta go.

 

[Putonahappyface]

I have a Cane Corso. She’s one of the sweetest dogs you’ll ever meet. It’s all about how they’re raised. Meanwhile a German shepherd can go ham on a mother fucker. You’re opinion sucks.

My nephew has an XL Bully and his heart is broken. He wants stricter rules on who can own them, as well as controlled breeding to stop inbreeding causing disastrous neurological problems.

He has taken his dog to training classes and regularly socialises his dog with people of all ages and a variety of other dogs of all sizes. My nephew has another dog alongside his XL Bully, a Norfolk Terrier who are like best friends and sleep together.

I want the dog licence back in the UK. Any kind of criminal background and that alone should stop you from owning a dog. I appreciate this breed is potentially dangerous I've seen the video footage.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I'm saying:

1. I think their research, and certainly their understanding of it is flawed.
2. That a ban would make the incidences of Bully XLs attacking in public much lower, simply because there would be far fewer in public.

1.What do you understand their research to indicate? How would you have researched it differently.

2. When Pit Bull terriers and Tosers were banned, it should have made the public safer, but the stats say that more people go to hospital with dog bites now than when those dogs weren't banned and also that of the 62 dogs involved in lethal attacks over a 28 year period, 53 of them were from breeds not deemed dangerous. So, you've got 53 dogs that were involved in killing people that legislation deems as being safe.

It's ok to acknowledge that very muscular looking dogs are capable of causing wounding or worse to people, and I am definitely cautious around big dogs I don't know, and I have no shortage of sympathy for those who have suffered, but it looks like the experts on animals in the UK are united in saying that banning by breed doesn't make people safer and the stats appear to support it. Why can't you accept that they know what they're talking about?

 

[FunkMiller]

We should reinstate dog licencing. The fact it was ever taken away was fucking stupid.

 

[Tams]

1.What do you understand their research to indicate? How would you have researched it differently.

2. When Pit Bull terriers and Tosers were banned, it should have made the public safer, but the stats say that more people go to hospital with dog bites now than when those dogs weren't banned and also that of the 62 dogs involved in lethal attacks over a 28 year period, 53 of them were from breeds not deemed dangerous. So, you've got 53 dogs that were involved in killing people that legislation deems as being safe.

It's ok to acknowledge that very muscular looking dogs are capable of causing wounding or worse to people, and I am definitely cautious around big dogs I don't know, and I have no shortage of sympathy for those who have suffered, but it looks like the experts on animals in the UK are united in saying that banning by breed doesn't make people safer and the stats appear to support it. Why can't you accept that they know what they're talking about?

Of course the number of attacks by breeds that are banned are going to go down! And with an increase in dog ownership, of course the number of attacks are going to go up!

But you are completely ignoring that Bully XLs are a breed of fighting dog, that are bred to ignore pain, not telegraph an attack, lock their jaws when they attack, and are so big that they cause serious harm and take several grown adults to prise off a victim.

I'd be with you if it were Labradors being proposed for a ban, as their temperament is not to be aggressive and attack (yet they are still big dogs). But that's not the case.

And yet again, you have provided zero solutions to the problem.

The UK has banned other tools that are easy to harm or kill others with. And as a result gun crime is almost nonexistent and knife crime very low (other than a few dodgy parts of some large urban areas).

 

[clarky]

Good, fucking pitbulls have no place on the streets. Now ban bulldog kennels, it’s inhumane to breed them.

Pro tip: If you have no idea what you are talking about don't post.

 

[Batiman]

Good. Those dogs are suffering just existing

 

[clarky]

We should reinstate dog licencing. The fact it was ever taken away was fucking stupid.

This is probably the best solution.

"Banning" this breed is nigh on impossible. What are they going to do? Give very dog in the country a DNA test to see if it hits a predefined threshold of what an XL Bully actually is?

Theres an election looming and good old Sunak can't be seen to be doing fuck all. No politics allowed so ill stop there.

 

[clarky]

Good. Those dogs are suffering just existing

How so?

 

[TransTrender]

Good
These dog owners are nearly undoubtedly huge piece of shit terrible human beings, and they come from all backgrounds and skin colors.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

I love dogs, I legit treat mine like a child. With that said, these types are legit useless and I will not hesitate to put a bullet in one if it were to attack me or my dog. I carry on walks mostly due to this potential scenario.

 

[clarky]

Good
These dog owners are nearly undoubtedly huge piece of shit terrible human beings, and they come from all backgrounds and skin colors.

Ok cool. So lets kill shit loads of dogs because?

Why don't we put down Lucy Letbys parents while were at it?

 

[Rran]

Um, am I the only person here who has no idea wtf an "XL Bully dog" is?? I've been a dog person my whole life and have never heard this term. Are they talking about pit bulls?

 

[TransTrender]

Ok cool. So lets kill shit loads of dogs because?

Why don't we put down Lucy Letbys parents while were at it?

Who said anything about putting them down? I didn't see that in the article.

 

[clarky]

Um, am I the only person here who has no idea wtf an "XL Bully dog" is?? I've been a dog person my whole life and have never heard this term. Are they talking about pit bulls?

Its an American pit bull/ bull dog crossed with a couple of other breeds.

Drug dealers dog of choice basically.

 

[clarky]

Who said anything about putting them down? I didn't see that in the article.

Maybe i miss understood. The thread title is about banning XL bully's your response was "good".

This would involve putting down a lot of dogs.

Edit: Full disclosure, ive owned dogs all my life and currently have 2 old tyme bulldogs. Im in no way at risk because of this ban but i see 2 XL bully's on my walks and they are fantastic.

Its absolutely down to the owner and anyone who says otherwise likes cats.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Of course the number of attacks by breeds that are banned are going to go down! And with an increase in dog ownership, of course the number of attacks are going to go up!

But you are completely ignoring that Bully XLs are a breed of fighting dog, that are bred to ignore pain, not telegraph an attack, lock their jaws when they attack, and are so big that they cause serious harm and take several grown adults to prise off a victim.

I'd be with you if it were Labradors being proposed for a ban, as their temperament is not to be aggressive and attack (yet they are still big dogs). But that's not the case.

And yet again, you have provided zero solutions to the problem.

The UK has banned other tools that are easy to harm or kill others with. And as a result gun crime is almost nonexistent and knife crime very low (other than a few dodgy parts of some large urban areas).

No offence mate, but you're ignoring the points I'm making so I'm not sure what the point in our continuing is.

 

[TransTrender]

Maybe i miss understood. The thread title is about banning XL bully's your response was "good".

This would involve putting down a lot of dogs.

Edit: Full disclosure, ive owned dogs all my life and currently have 2 old tyme bulldogs. Im in no way at risk because of this ban but i see 2 XL bully's on my walks and they are fantastic.

Its absolutely down to the owner and anyone who says otherwise likes cats.

In this day and age I would be shocked if there's a mass euthanasia program for existing dogs.
I would expect them to be 're-homed' with a mass common population somewhere within the country. Breeding would be illegal. They would have to be spayed/neutered, and anyone owning one without the right loicense would be fined and have the animal confiscated and then likely euthanized. These dogs will be denied entry and customs and border crossings. Likely the humans will abandon them.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Well worth a listen, this guy knows his stuff and lead the campaign to get them banned.

 

[clarky]

In this day and age I would be shocked if there's a mass euthanasia program for existing dogs.
I would expect them to be 're-homed' with a mass common population somewhere within the country. Breeding would be illegal. They would have to be spayed/neutered, and anyone owning one without the right loicense would be fined and have the animal confiscated and then likely euthanized. These dogs will be denied entry and customs and border crossings. Likely the humans will abandon them.

Yeah that doesn't happen. With the pitbull breed for example only a very few of the existing owners where allowed to keep their dogs under very strict rules.

And as evidence shows banning "dangerous" dog does nothing. We banned the pitbull now its back, but 3 times bigger.

Dogs are massively complex creatures while also being completely stupid at the same time. No matter the breed every single one requires a responsible owner. I see that guy the other day has been charged with manslaughter and rightly so.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Well worth a listen, this guy knows his stuff and lead the campaign to get them banned.

The XL Bully account for for less than 1% of the British dog population but are statisically 270 times more deadly than the average dog population. Case closed.

 

[clarky]

This is Boris 5 years old. Bulldog bread. You can pry him from my cold dead hands.

 

[Soodanim]

This breed has replaced the Staffordshire Bull Terrier as the new penis extension unfortunately.

I have a friend with a couple stafford terriers/pit bulls and they are quite sweet. He is johnny on the spot with training though.

I have a little obnoxious shit morkie mutt and that thing is a TERROR, the only reason the neighborhood is safe is because he clocks in at 9 pounds soaking wet. While I don't necessarily ascribe to "all Pitbulls are bad" as that can certainly be translated to humans without much effort, those breeds are equipped with massive jaws so any misbehaviour can be lethal. Can't tolerate crap from one of them you might from a toy breed that couldn't break skin if its life depended on it.

It saddens me that Staffies have the reputation they do. Our Staffie cross (longer legs than a purebred) is the nicest, most gentle dog I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. She knows more people than I do and wants to be everyone's friend. Other dog owners tell us they wish their dog was like ours. Even when she was younger all she ever wanted to do is play and have cuddles/belly rubs. People used to steer clear of our dog when I walked her, then they would get close and say "Oh, is that [name]?" then get close to say hello. The reputation of the breed precedes her, but her personality breaks through that for every single person that has met her including children that are normally afraid of dogs.

Having said that, I'm well aware that dogs are still unique individuals and animals that fall prey to instincts, and perhaps more importantly nurture plays a tremendous part in dogs' temperaments. Owners with ill intent are a plague, a fucking scum that won't be washed away.

 

[clarky]

The XL Bully account for for less than 1% of the British dog population but are statisically 270 times more deadly than the average dog population. Case closed.

Were you get that from The daily mail?

Give me a definition of an XL Bully

 

[clarky]

It saddens me that Staffies have the reputation they do. Our Staffie cross (longer legs than a purebred) is the nicest, most gentle dog I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. She knows more people than I do and wants to be everyone's friend. Other dog owners tell us they wish their dog was like ours. Even when she was younger all she ever wanted to do is play and have cuddles/belly rubs. People used to steer clear of our dog when I walked her, then they would get close and say "Oh, is that [name]?" then get close to say hello. The reputation of the breed precedes her, but her personality breaks through that for every single person that has met her including children that are normally afraid of dogs.

Having said that, I'm well aware that dogs are still unique individuals and animals that fall prey to instincts, and perhaps more importantly nurture plays a tremendous part in dogs' temperaments. Owners with ill intent are a plague, a fucking scum that won't be washed away.

Staffies are a great dog. Super loyal. Mine used to follow my dad to the pub every night and sit outside, waiting for him.

 

[Soodanim]

Staffies are a great dog. Super loyal. Mine used to follow my dad to the pub every night and sit outside, waiting for him.

Oh, don't. That alone makes me wish I could have kept him/her company.

 

[clarky]

Oh, don't. That alone makes me wish I could have kept him/her company.

Ha no chance. Don't know what it was but Rocky just had a thing for my Dad.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Were you get that from The daily mail?

Give me a definition of an XL Bully

The video linked above.

 

[Banjo64]

I'm ok with stopping the breeding but downright killing all the xl bullies alive? I'm gonna pass on that.

My point still stand, there are so many human made things that are far more dangerous for humans but we do jack shit about it.

GymWolf I actually agree with you to an extent, there’s no such thing as a bad dog but bad owners.

But idiots are drawn to these dogs as status dogs, and 99% of the people who own one don’t know anything about dogs, never mind a breed like this.

I hate to use emotive arguments, but imagine if your 4 year old kid had been rag dolled to death by one of these things and no human being can physically stop it from happening, you’d be absolutely helpless - if that had happened to me I’d find it hard to say they shouldn’t be outright banned. they are essentially a lethal weapon, primarily in the hands of idiots.

And yes, you can argue that German Shepards and other mid/large dogs can also cause deaths, but the stats don’t lie when it comes to attacks and deaths in the UK.

 

[clarky]

The video linked above.

Ok so any so anything remotely similar to a blurry video of an aggressive dog need to be banned? Again I'll ask how in law would you define an XL Bully? (clue, you can't).

I'm gonna take a swing here but you don't own a dog?

 

[clarky]

GymWolf I actually agree with you to an extent, there’s no such thing as a bad dog but bad owners.

But idiots are drawn to these dogs as status dogs, and 99% of the people who own one don’t know anything about dogs, never mind a breed like this.

I hate to use emotive arguments, but imagine if your 4 year old kid had been rag dolled to death by one of these things and no human being can physically stop it from happening, you’d be absolutely helpless - if that had happened to me I’d find it hard to say they shouldn’t be outright banned. they are essentially a lethal weapon, primarily in the hands of idiots.

And yes, you can argue that German Shepards and other mid/large dogs can also cause deaths, but the stats don’t lie when it comes to attacks and deaths in the UK.

Absolutely, these dogs attract bad owners, the last person to see Tupac alive wasnt Lassie was it ?

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Meanwhile, the American Kennel Club and ASPCA got breed specific legislation (BSL) banned in several states inlcuding Texas and California.

I'm friends with someone who rescues pitbulls and the like and they say it's really the owners who ruin these dogs and is not the dogs' fault.

I really don't know what to believe, but I don't think banning a dog is going to fix irresponsible dog owners.

 

[Banjo64]

It saddens me that Staffies have the reputation they do. Our Staffie cross (longer legs than a purebred) is the nicest, most gentle dog I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. She knows more people than I do and wants to be everyone's friend. Other dog owners tell us they wish their dog was like ours. Even when she was younger all she ever wanted to do is play and have cuddles/belly rubs. People used to steer clear of our dog when I walked her, then they would get close and say "Oh, is that [name]?" then get close to say hello. The reputation of the breed precedes her, but her personality breaks through that for every single person that has met her including children that are normally afraid of dogs.

Having said that, I'm well aware that dogs are still unique individuals and animals that fall prey to instincts, and perhaps more importantly nurture plays a tremendous part in dogs' temperaments. Owners with ill intent are a plague, a fucking scum that won't be washed away.

before I bought my collie, I wanted to adopt. it broke my heart that the kennels were full of staffies. stunningly beautiful and friendly dogs.

It was a split between half staffies and half huskies/malamutes (beautiful dogs that people buy for appearances without realising the work needed).

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Ok so any so anything remotely similar to a burly video of an aggressive dog need to be banned? Again I'll ask how in law would you define an XL Bully? (clue, you can't).

I'm gonna take a swing here but you don't own a dog?

I see you've been confronted with a damning statistic and a video that will challenge this narrative you're trying to peddle and rather than confront it you've unfairly disregarded it. So I won't give you anymore of my time afer this post.

the American XL Bully is a cross between the American Pit Bull Terrier (Pitbull) and the American Staffordshire Terrier

I own a labrador actually and before that a staffordshire bull terrier and before that a german sheperd.

I wonder how you would feel if you had young kids that were playing on the street and there were several neighbours on the street that had XL Bullys that occasionally roamed around, got into fights with other dogs etc.... I wonder if you'd feel more concerned for their safety. hmmmm

 

[clarky]

before I bought my collie, I wanted to adopt. it broke my heart that the kennels were full of staffies. stunningly beautiful and friendly dogs.

It was a split between half staffies and half huskies/malamutes (beautiful dogs that people buy for appearances without realising the work needed).

The problem with adopting a dog is its trust with humans has already been broken. It takes twice as much work as a regular dog, which is already a lot in the first place.

I wouldn't recommended rescuing a dog unless they were an experienced owner. Apart from kids its the most demanding thing i've ever delt with. You put in what you get out. If your a cunt then your dog will lash out. If youve got a cat then it will just fuck off (unless your cats a tiger).

 

[Monserrat]

They are everywhere where I live. If raised as pets, they are like little puppies compared to German Shepherds, Schnauzers, and cocker's when it comes to human interaction.

Ps.- Oh, I guess these are just american pitbulls.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

You also can't compare this to cigarettes or alcohol. Those are consumed by choice.

These owners also make the choice to get a powerful breed of dog and decide not to train it. It is their responsibility as an owner to make sure their dog is trained and not a danger to the public. But we don't like that evil word: responsibility. We would rather blame the dog than the fuckwit who ruined it.

 

[clarky]

I see you've been confronted with a damning statistic and a video that will challenge this narrative you're trying to peddle and rather than confront it you've unfairly disregarded it. So I won't give you anymore of my time afer this post.

the American XL Bully is a cross between the American Pit Bull Terrier (Pitbull) and the American Staffordshire Terrier

So its 50% Pit bull and 50% Staffy? Which ones to we ban? If its 60% staffy then it gets a pass?

My point is its a mongril and by definition cant be identified.

Should we ban and kill all Boxers because they have a undefined portion of bull in them?

Why ignore terriers?

The damning statistic you speak of is nothing more than a moral panic that you have stupidly bought into.

 

[Monserrat]

Ban seems a little extreme, just require sterilization by law and be done with it.

 

[clarky]

Ban seems a little extreme, just require sterilization by law and be done with it.

This is how the planet of the apes started.( or at the least the isle of dogs)

 

[clarky]

Ban seems a little extreme, just require sterilization by law and be done with it.

Again, thats unenforceable. I know this is a little extreme but you cant irradicate a whole bread like that. Look at the red wedding, theres always a bastard that will bite you in the ass.

Either we keep dogs or we don't simple as. In a world of equality why are some dogs treated differently?

 

[Tams]

No offence mate, but you're ignoring the points I'm making so I'm not sure what the point in our continuing is.

Your point is that we shouldn't ban them because dog attacks in general have increased.

Which is absolutely no argument for the keeping of dogs that when they attack are almost certain to at least cause life-changing injuries or death, and have no use in society that many other less dangerous breeds of dog fulfil just as adequately (even trying to make yourself look like a hardware twat).

 

[Tams]

Maybe i miss understood. The thread title is about banning XL bully's your response was "good".

This would involve putting down a lot of dogs.

No, it would see the breed (once it has been properly legally defined) added to the Dangerous Dogs Act.

You can look that up yourself, but regarding euthanasia, it would only be those dogs with a history of violence or are involved in an attack who would be put down.

Well, other than those at shelters that aren't found a home and the shelter can't accommodate, but that's another issue.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Beagles are lovely but bloody hard work! Think they are one of those breeds that work better when they are not the sole dog in the house. Our Bentley was a right pain in the arse when he wanted attention.

Thats actually good to know as I was only going to get the one, I've got the missus hooked too and she wants one as well. Looks like i'll have to get two then, which I have no problem with and i'm sure she wouldnt

How long did you have Bentley for? (Sorry if you've still got him I thought you meant you had him in a past tense)