NeverYouMind
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Doesn't really matter how much damage enemies can do when they are dumb enough to go whereever a player tosses some garbage, have no peripheral vision, and spaz out when a player gets close.
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[VGC] Neil Druckmann says new Naughty Dog title could ‘redefine mainstream perceptions of gaming’
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Vick
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Hard to ignore the discussion in front of.. whatever this is.
Something doesn't add up here. You should know Grounded has little to do with "damage" and all to do with flawless peripheral vision, reactive position holding taking current and future exposure into account, constant flanking, but just AI in general..
To even things like these:
The Last of Us 2 Fan Spots Awesome Detail on Grounded
Despite being out for nearly two years, some The Last of Us 2 players are still finding things they never knew, such as a neat Grounded detail.
gamerant.com
Always a constant in discussions with Part II downplayers, the revealing head-scratching moment.
There are ways to exploit the AI at times if you know what to do in a few conditions/encounters, but vast majority of the time Grounded AI is impossibly ruthless to the point of frustration (Hillcrest, Hostile Territory as two examples of many).
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Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Yup. Its little things like that that take the entire combat experience to a different level.
And the higher the difficulty you play on, the more random shit like that you see
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Vick
Member
There's countless similar instances fooling you into believing you're dealing with real people, some new ones discovered after literal thousands of hours. Noticed this especially with No Return.
Yep, I don't think there's a single game in existence where you can customize the AI to such ridiculous extents. I surely never played one.
NeverYouMind
Member
They did not even know the direction of the noise. They were just in an alert state. 1990's Metal Gear 2 AI can do that too.
Hard to ignore the discussion in front of.. whatever this is.
Something doesn't add up here. You should know Grounded has little to do with "damage" and all to do with flawless peripheral vision, reactive position holding taking current and future exposure into account, constant flanking, but just AI in general..
To even things like these:
The Last of Us 2 Fan Spots Awesome Detail on Grounded
Despite being out for nearly two years, some The Last of Us 2 players are still finding things they never knew, such as a neat Grounded detail.
Always a constant in discussions with Part II downplayers, the revealing head-scratching moment.
There are ways to exploit the AI at times if you know what to do in a few conditions/encounters, but vast majority of the time Grounded AI is impossibly ruthless to the point of frustration (Hillcrest).
DeepSpace5D
Member
Yeah honestly if someone thinks the AI in TLoU: Part II, especially on Grounded mode, is “dumb” then what would be considered the level of AI in most other games? Equivalent to a braindead vegetable? It’s not perfect by any means and any game can be exploited, but I generally found it to be of a higher level than the vast majority of games out there.
Hard to ignore the discussion in front of.. whatever this is.
Something doesn't add up here. You should know Grounded has little to do with "damage" and all to do with flawless peripheral vision, reactive position holding taking current and future exposure into account, constant flanking, but just AI in general..
To even things like these:
The Last of Us 2 Fan Spots Awesome Detail on Grounded
Despite being out for nearly two years, some The Last of Us 2 players are still finding things they never knew, such as a neat Grounded detail.
Always a constant in discussions with Part II downplayers, the revealing head-scratching moment.
There are ways to exploit the AI at times if you know what to do in a few conditions/encounters, but vast majority of the time Grounded AI is impossibly ruthless to the point of frustration (Hillcrest, Hostile Territory as two examples of many).
And enemies doing more damage have literally nothing to do with it.
Represent.
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Show me a game with better AI - Not a single game out there has more customizable and adaptable enemy AI than TLOU 2. Your posts honestly scream "I never played it" or at best "I didnt finish it"
NeverYouMind
Member
F.E.A.R. and Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor come to mind.
Vick
Member
Doesn't have much to do with AI, as I can't recall a single memorable instance in this regard, but that Nemesis system was God-tier and Warner patenting it is one of the biggest gaming travesties of all time. Actually the single biggest I can think of, imagine how many infinitely better games we would have had at this point.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
After last of us 2 remake a lot of people are second guessing naughty dog’s priorities, they put uncharted in the corner like a bad kid
sachos
Member
Every time, i read it in Jimbo's ominous voice.
Guilty_AI
Member
I doubt the reason we don't see it very often is WB's patent. You can still create your own version of the nemesis system and implement it in your game as long as you don't copy the tech behind it. Many games have systems with similar effects to it in fact, games like Dwarf Fortress or X4, or some RPGs where many characters "will remember this".
But truth is most AAA devs likely just think its too much work for little return, same reason we don't see imm-sim design being implemented left and right in every game.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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And both the remake and remaster were half assed disappointments ...didn't take advantage of the ps5 hardware at all
ChorizoPicozo
Member
shit. I'm not reading all that. one sentence A. I. summarize?
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
ChorizoPicozo
Member
so his next game is going to be the same shit?
tmlDan
Member
yea, its gonna be a game. Not some Kojima experiment like people thought lol
VulcanRaven
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Thanks. I'll add the tweet to the OP.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Trying reading what I wrote again, listen to your hate for a bloke who made a "videogame" that touched your fweelings in a bad way... M8, take a wee moment to reflect, it's just a game
Musashipan
Member
More woke garbage!
elcapitano
Member
So after all the hullabaloo it's not even in context hahahaha
People are so sensitive to anything this guy says/does. It's quite frankly unhinged
People are so sensitive to anything this guy says/does. It's quite frankly unhinged
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Bartski
Gold Member
someone from Sony PR is in for a rough Monday in the office
butane bob
Member
That means their next game is going to be even less interactive and even more like a TV show than their last one.
It's all so tiresome.
digital_ghost
Member
elcapitano
Member
Making this comment after it's come out that he in fact never even said that just shows what's wrong with the internet.....
Also their last game had quite literally brilliant gameplay
Roberts
Member
Despite what you might think, I don't hate him (How could I - I don't even know the guy). I think the first TLOU is pretty good for the most part and his involvement in the wonderful Uncharted 2 is appreciated, but he is definitely not some untouchable videogame genius that some make him out to be. So, while I would never bet against Cameron, I'm not so sure about Druckmann. Still, wish him all the best of luck to redefine mainstream perceptions of gaming!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The interview has now been removed, someone done fucked up, lol.
Games of Today
Member
Idk about you, but last of us 2 IS the most interactable Naughty Dog game. They just keep reach new levels of gameplay that other devs simply can't.
TLOU2's story was meh, luckily the gameplay sections in-between the cutscene beats are long enough that you can almost forget about anything you weren't a fan of story wise and focus on the incredible gameplay.
The cutscenes also end in black screens so I prefer to manually play the game in chronological order which helps me enjoy it a but more. This way Joel dies around 10 hours into the game or so, rather than killing him off immediately within the first 2 hours.
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