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[Rhazer Fusion]

I know creativity and innovation is dead, but I feel this proves older games are better or even superior to the majority of modern games. Judging by the ridiculous number of remakes and remasters especially from more recent games that imo don’t need upgrading, I’m not really sure if it’s even up for debate. If you going to make a remake or remaster, at least update games from much older generations and not PS4 games released a few years ago.

 

[ProtoByte]

Can’t agree with that.
I think it has been the best year we’ve had since (at least) this gen started, IMO.

Which games have made that the case for you?

 

[bitbydeath]

Which games have made that the case for you?

Stella Blade
FF7 Rebirth
Helldivers 2
Astrobot
Sparking Zero
Silent Hill 2
Shadow of Erdtree

Diverse line-up of bangers IMO

 

[SHA]

I've never been one to say new games suck. I think this year has been particularly weak for new games though.

But are these remakes meant to improve these studios and set them for new games or just a cash grab?

 

[Madflavor]

Good games this year that weren't Remakes/Remasters:

• Metaphor ReFantazio
• Unicorn Overlord
• Stellar Blade
• Tekken 8
• Shadow of the Erdtree
• Black Myth Wukong
• Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth
• Astro Bot
• Helldivers 2
• Dragon's Dogma 2
• Rise of the Ronin
• Dragon Ball Sparking Zero
• Space Marine 2

We're fine.

 

[ProtoByte]

But are these remakes meant to improve these studios and set them for new games or just a cash grab?

Increasingly, I'm thinking the latter.

At one point, not even that long ago, I thought it made enough sense. While the next mainline game in a big franchise or a major AAA new IP is in pre-production, get the employees to keep themselves sharp with a remake or remaster with not much investment. Heck, perhaps new hires disproportionately benefit from getting a granular look at these older titles and working to make minor improvements.

Hopefully, it's a launchpad to new heights when they're on deck for the new game.

But the sheer number of re-releases, the fact that the new games are keeping a hold of flawed design/gameplay systems, and not doing enough to improve in ways that don't seem like "more of the same with slight improvements" or straight up rehashes, have reduced the plausibility of that to me.

Not all studios doing this are equally bad: I think Naughty Dog have been particularly egregious this gen. Sony in general has been doing way too much in fucking re-releases. They lost the plot with their dev pipeline, this is one reason why.

 

[R6Rider]

Needs to be more. Don't like them, then don't buy them.

 

[ArtHands]

Good game this year that weren't Remakes/Remasters:

• Metaphor ReFantazio
• Unicorn Overlord
• Stellar Blade
• Tekken 8
• Shadow of the Erdtree
• Black Myth Wukong
• Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth
• Astro Bot
• Helldivers 2
• Dragon's Dogma 2
• Rise of the Ronin
• Dragon Ball Sparking Zero
• Space Marine 2

We're fine.

maybe it is just the console fans feeling unhappy, because of former console exclusive games now available on PC via remaster

 

[ProtoByte]

Good game this year that weren't Remakes/Remasters:

• Metaphor ReFantazio
• Unicorn Overlord
• Stellar Blade
• Tekken 8
• Shadow of the Erdtree
• Black Myth Wukong
• Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth
• Astro Bot
• Helldivers 2
• Dragon's Dogma 2
• Rise of the Ronin
• Dragon Ball Sparking Zero
• Space Marine 2

We're fine.

If all of these new games (Erdtree notwithstanding) were so good, they wouldn't be publicizing DLC acceptance for GOTY.

That isn't me saying they all suck, but Hogwarts Legacy from last year is smacking all of these on the sales charts as of September.

 

[Hypereides]

I know creativity and innovation is dead, but I feel this proves older games are better or even superior to the majority of modern games. Judging by the ridiculous number of remakes and remasters especially from more recent games that imo don’t need upgrading, I’m not really sure if it’s even up for debate. If you going to make a remake or remaster, at least update games from much older generations and not PS4 games released a few years ago.

I vaguely recall reading some airheaded suit somewhere, possibly from Sony, claim that "revisions" (remakes, remasters, re-imaginings etc.) are a new "genre" now. That's the kind of non-gaming, non-consumer people sitting at the top of this industry we're dealing with.

 

[Madflavor]

If all of these new games (Erdtree notwithstanding) were so good, they wouldn't be publicizing DLC acceptance for GOTY.

I actually agree with allowing DLC being part of the GOTY nominee line up, provided that they're exceptionally high quality. I think DLC like Shadows of the Erdtree and Phantom Liberty fit that bill. They're fantastic and large enough to be their own games. I don't see this as a problem. There are 6 games on the list I gave that have over an 85 on MC, three of them have a 90+. Far as I'm aware these games are pretty well liked. Even the games that sit between 80-85 like Black Myth, Space Marine 2, and Stellar Blade, may not have been critical darlings but were very positively received by players. If you remove all the Remakes/Remasters, it's still been a really good year for games.

That isn't me saying they all suck, but Hogwarts Legacy from last year is smacking all of these on the sales charts as of September.

It's Harry Potter, that's not exactly shocking.

 

[AJUMP23]

I believe it is a fairly straight forward payday for most developers. Low risk and probably a good understanding of sales.

 

[SHA]

By the end of this gen, I would've hope there would be enough failures of what you're talking about to get it through to the studios and management that this clearly isn't a good idea in the long run.

I think they'll come to Asmongolds "he's a former grinder and spend a lot on some games in case you didn't know" conclusion, where you find the most value in rich single player games, pc gamers have figured this out long time ago.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

If all of these new games (Erdtree notwithstanding) were so good, they wouldn't be publicizing DLC acceptance for GOTY.

The Game awards are not indicative of game quality, they are awarded based on popularity.

 

[ProtoByte]

The Game awards are not indicative of game quality, they are awarded based on popularity.

Well, yes and no. The most popular games of each year are Call of Duty titles. They don't get nominated. Celeste wasn't a gargantuan seller, but got nominated.

Btw, most of the new SP titles that get popular do so because of quality. Hate to say it but in any given year, you're not showered with 20+ truly "great" games.

 

[XXL]

There is an easy solution to this.

If you don't like remasters don't buy them.

 

[Ribi]

Half that list is Capcom and all it did for them is make people forget they hated them just 3 years ago

 

[jason10mm]

Nostalgia has always been a thing for gaming. Just look at MAME emulation and that MASSIVE catalogue of old titles. More modern games are more complex, but wouldn't surprise me in 10 or 15 years (perhaps less) that AI can 'remaster' almost any title for you with whatever graphics style you want.

Want DOOM to look like a 4k water color animation style with Sydney Sweeney voicing the Marine? Done.
Want the original God of War but in a 80's pixel art style with 8-bit music? Done.
Want Asteroids in a Hayao Miyazaki style? Done.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

 

[Represent.]

I don't mind remakes and remasters at all. Bring em on I say. The fact that I've gotten high quality remakes of some of my favorite games of all time is a wonderful thing. Next up is Broken Sword, Legacy of Kain and Suikoden 1 & 2. What's not to love? And it's not like we aren't getting new games either. Studios are pumping out new games all the time, so I don't understand the complaining.

We should be getting sequels to your fav games of all time. Not remakes

Cinema and videogames creativity is at its lowest. Embarrassing stuff.

Hollywood is in a way more creative state than AAA games right now. And that is saying something

 

[Knightime_X]

If they remaster \ remake bloodborne, and you buy it, your entire argument goes down the drain.
You're aware of that, right?

 

[ProtoByte]

If they remaster \ remake bloodborne, and you buy it, your entire argument goes down the drain.
You're aware of that, right?

That's fine, because I don't care about Bloodborne and think people need to let it go.

 

[Badlucktroll]

people will trip when remakes of remakes become a thing, like the ones i think will happen such as Re REmake and Halo Combat Evolved

 

[Knightime_X]

That's fine, because I don't care about Bloodborne and think people need to let it go.

But it's an amazing gameeeeeee!

 

[Evil Calvin]

90% of the Game Award nominees were sequels, remasters, Reboots, spin offs or DLC.

The only original games were in the indie categories

 

[Evil Calvin]

Good games this year that weren't Remakes/Remasters:

• Metaphor ReFantazio
• Unicorn Overlord
• Stellar Blade
• Tekken 8
• Shadow of the Erdtree
• Black Myth Wukong
• Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth
• Astro Bot
• Helldivers 2
• Dragon's Dogma 2
• Rise of the Ronin
• Dragon Ball Sparking Zero
• Space Marine 2

We're fine.

Ok....take sequels, spinoffs and DLC off the list (basically non-original content)

 

[Arsic]

The industry peaked in the 360 era. That’s a fact.

New IPs that are of the same caliber up to that point are extremely rare.

So if you ask me we don’t have enough remakes or remasters because the industry died years ago.

The best game this year is SH2 remake.

 

[Hrk69]

The industry peaked in the 360 era. That’s a fact.

So if you ask me we don’t have enough remakes or remasters because the industry died years ago.

That's just a biased opinion with no grounding in reality. Sure, that era had incredible titles, but gaming has absolutely evolved since then. Modern innovations have pushed gaming forward in ways 360 era games never could

Maybe the hobby just isn’t for you anymore? If you think everything since the 360 era has been downhill, it might be time to reconsider what you’re looking for in gaming

 

[diffusionx]

Good games this year that weren't Remakes/Remasters:

• Metaphor ReFantazio
• Unicorn Overlord
• Stellar Blade
• Tekken 8
• Shadow of the Erdtree
• Black Myth Wukong
• Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth
• Astro Bot
• Helldivers 2
• Dragon's Dogma 2
• Rise of the Ronin
• Dragon Ball Sparking Zero
• Space Marine 2

We're fine.

now do the same list for 2001 or 2002.

 

[schaft0620]

I love it and I don't think there are enough remakes/remasters.

 

[yogaflame]

Because idea and creativity is dead. And too much focus especially in the west for pushing and forcing twisted dei and woke agenda instead of creativity. The silver lining is they rely on OG games of the golden era of gaming of the 90's and early 2000 games to create remakes and remasters.

 

[Dorago]

They used to make new games by saying "this should be like X old game on Y new hardware."

The problem is, new hardware hasn't meant new graphical styles for over ten years now.

So in 1995 when they said "I want to make the modern version of Sweet Home (1989), lets use modern hardware and graphics" they made Resident Evil.

In 2024 when they say "I want to make a modern version of Red Dead Redemption 2 (2018)" it doesn't make sense, because RDR2 is still among the best looking games on the market.

 

[Trogdor1123]

I love all the remakes. They usually add lots to the quality of the original game. I’m probably in the minority but I’d like more of them.

 

[Susurrus]

Eh I'm indifferent to them.

On one hand, I usually don't bother, especially if it's just me replaying a game. However, there are games where I didn't play the original and are sometimes interested in diving in, I picked up Tomb Raider I-III collection (on sale). Maybe I'll get around to playing it this time.

Though I also picked up Sonic X Shadow Generations, so there's exceptions. At least I started playing that one. I still have Super Mario RPG remake sealed somewhere. Those are my only 2 exceptions where I played the original release and picked up the new one. Not counting games I got from services like PS+ Monthly games, Epic/Prime freebies, etc, as I'll literally redeem anything on those..

There's also the situation, like Live A Live, where we never got a release in the US, and I didn't track in in the past. Enjoyed it and played all the way through it (with the NSO SNES controller).

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

people will trip when remakes of remakes become a thing, like the ones i think will happen such as Re REmake and Halo Combat Evolved

Most people are fine with games being remade for a new generation of gamers who never played them.

But when the remastered title is is still legally available in a backwards compatible manner, it gets people annoyed.

I would argue that the remakes are always something studios have used as a "in case of emergency, break glass" scenario. Except recently, every studio broke the glass at the same time period. Remakes are now the main way to release a cheap to produce title, which is worrying.

 

[ProtoByte]

Ok....take sequels, spinoffs and DLC off the list (basically non-original content)

Nah, keep them, but actually evaluate what they are. Borderline rehashes.

It used to be that game sequels generally made massive improvements. Now it seems like devs are getting worse at design and/or mechanics and/or technical proficiency given the hardware.

Two generations removed from the first game, and Dragon's Dogma 2, and the devs made no structural changes to the gameplay and design, missed significant abilities, had lacking enemy variety, and a shit story. On top of all that stagnation and regression, they also managed to make the game run poorly despite milding visuals.

The new IP on that list is new in name only, and not even that good. Does anybody seriously look at Rise of The Ronin and not get immediate Nioh/Nioh 2/Wo Long flashbacks? Maybe even mistaking it for the same games?

now do the same list for 2001 or 2002.

Don't even need to do that. Look at 2014, the 8th gen's most reviled year.

Dark Souls 2
Watch Dogs
Dragon Age: Inquisition
Shadow of Mordor
The Evil Within
Alien Isolation
Wolfenstein New Order
Forza Horizon 2
Far Cry 4
Sunset Overdrive
Titanfall
Mario Kart 8
Destiny
South Park: The Stick of Truth
Super Smash Bros Wii U
Divinity: Original Sin

Definitely one of the worst of the gen, and just a handful of truly "great" games, but at least the games were actually new, and even felt fresh in a lot of cases.

This year, they nominated Multiversus a second time because it came out of the WB content lock up!

 

[diffusionx]

Don't even need to do that. Look at 2014, the 8th gen's most reviled year.

Dark Souls 2
Watch Dogs
Dragon Age: Inquisition
Shadow of Mordor
The Evil Within
Alien Isolation
Wolfenstein New Order
Forza Horizon 2
Far Cry 4
Sunset Overdrive
Titanfall
Mario Kart 8
Destiny
South Park: The Stick of Truth
Super Smash Bros Wii U
Divinity: Original Sin

Definitely one of the worst of the gen, and just a handful of truly "great" games, but at least the games were actually new, and even felt fresh in a lot of cases.

This year, they nominated Multiversus a second time because it came out of the WB content lock up!

Good point - a year like that would be considered "one of the best of all time" by the people who talk about games today. That's how lame and shit it's gotten.

 

[EDMIX]

To be honest all you're really describing is the same scenario that those same companies have been in for generations now I mean haven't you fucking notice some of the same publishers you're talking about been doing this for multiple generations?

So when you're saying the majority of the 9th generation I need you to fucking understand you're literally describing every other generation because there is no brand new thing here regarding what you're describing you're just talking about those very same people that remastered before remastering again.....

It means you're describing a moot point

Additionally, who cares?

What does it matter to you that some new consumer is playing the remaster of an IP? What ode does the publisher have to NOT MAKE MONEY, not get NEW CONSUMERS to buy existing IP, to what exactly? So you don't' fucking see a release you don't need to buy?

smh.

So a lot of the games listed I didn't buy, a lot of em I did buy, it means someone here has gotten introduced to an IP thru a remaster that they otherwise would overlook regarding an IP

The Witcher

and they are making Witcher 4 and CP 2077's sequel

Max Payne 1&2

and Remedy is currently working on Control 2 as well...

Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater

annnnnd no team even exits to make a actual MGS6 considering the shit show that was Survive, the best they can do is remake those older ones

Like a Dragon: Ishin

and you got a fuck ton of Yakuzas even with this release

Resident Evil 4

yet we still have RE9 in development

Grand Theft Auto Trilogy DE

Not made by Rockstar...cause most of the shit you listed is generally not made by the main teams

Gran Theft Auto 5

Grand* Theft Auto 6 is still being made and RDR2 exist

Dead Space Remake

Of a Dead IP, it makes sense to test the waters with a remake considering they do not have the original team and would need to test both the audience to see if the IP really has value and if the team can pull it off



So...look, I don't see the issue here cause this is still a fucking business and I don't see the benefit to the consumer to have less opportunities to game it makes no sense for both parties because I just don't understand why it matters to some of you that someone else is playing a franchise through a remaster, port or remake that might be new to them

If you own the original nothing's fucking stopping you from just playing that, but I'm not understanding this hostility because the business wants to create a remaster to continue to generate revenue, I'm not understanding how that's a positive thing to you for the company to NOT make additional money and I don't see how that benefits you if they don't put out a game like this

The 50 to 100 people they had working for 4 to 6 months, your ass is not fucking getting some brand new game with that time frame to make it sound as if the effort put in these is somehow having you magically miss out on some grandiose title


This is like saying you don't want a company to show reruns of the show or you don't want them to put an existing show on a streaming network to make additional revenue it just makes no fucking sense and I've yet to hear any logical sound argument to actually support these not existing.

I'm trying to figure out who actually is benefiting from them not existing?

Meh, who cares, most if not all of these remakes/remasters (well, remasters mainly) will be made by either a small team within the main studio or outsourced. It won't really be slowing down the production of new games but it will earn the studio money in the meantime while those new games are being made (and we know AAA games can take 4+ years to make now)

I think what you mean to say is, why arent the games I like being remastered/remade? Which I wholeheartedly agree with, there are loads of old IP's I'd love to see remade, especially games from the PS3 era (Resistance remade with modern tech could be amazing, as would Motor storm, and if course Killzone 2)

Edit: also, your initial point doesn't even come into it, Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree isn't a remake or remaster. But I agree, having DLC, remasters and remakes in "The Game Awards"tm in every category is fucking dumb, it should have different categories.

^ This. We will probably see a few PS3 gen titles get remade, but I think Killzone 2 might be more likely then Resistance IP

it’s rumored Nintendo might re-release BOTW alongside “Switch 2”. Ridiculous.

? Well...not really, its a popular title that released for Switch 1, a remaster or port to Switch 2 isn't that wild


Zelda OoT got a released on N64, was later ported to Gamecube....was later ported to 3DS too, all this means is some of you either didn't know this was a normal thing or not paying attention or something lol This is standard for them...


Twilight Princess released on Gamecube, ported to Wii....

Skyward Sword released on Wii ported to Wii U

So, i'm convinced some of you either never really noticed this or never knew or something, as this is a normal practice for some of those publishers and if anyone is shocked at this...just sounds like you've been sleep lol

 

[ProtoByte]

To be honest all you're really describing is the same scenario that those same companies have been in for generations now I mean haven't you fucking notice some of the same publishers you're talking about been doing this for multiple generations?

So when you're saying the majority of the 9th generation I need you to fucking understand you're literally describing every other generation

I really don't think so. You definitely cannot say that of the PS1, PS2 or PS3, and probably not of PS4 either. I'm almost certain you cannot point to a window this inundated with re-releases.

Again though, the real problem is that compared to the re-releases, the new releases are like farts in the wind.

You've gone through a list there, and I'm not going to go back and forth about the specific games because you're missing the forest for the trees. It's the overall imbalance that's the problem. I even said as much at the end of the OP.

 

[EDMIX]

You definitely cannot say that of the PS1, PS2 or PS3, and probably not of PS4 either.

That isn't true at all sir.

Literally a fucking 2 second google search, even if you didn't know this shit, look it up instead of making such weird claims

List of video game remakes and remastered ports - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This very much can be stated about those generations as even PS1 being the first fucking PlayStation, still got ports from PAST SYSTEMS, for the same fucking reasons

On PS2

On PS3, Bluray made it easier to do this same with PSN having a method of distribution that made it just as easy


FFX-X2
Metal Gear Solid Collection (2 fucking collections mind you)
Sly Cooper
God Of War Collection
Ratchet Collection
Jak and Daxter
DMC Collection
Silent Hill Collection (horrid lol)
IcO and SoTC
Sonic Genesis Collection
Final Fantasy Tactics:

via PSN, its just as much, if not even more

Entire Resident Evil series
Dino Crisis 1 and 2
Parasite Eve 1 and 2
Persona 2 and 3
Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2
SMT Nocturne


During PS4 and PS5, that didn't just stop btw, I'd argue gaming has gotten larger and you see publishers remastering their titles from PS3 gen on PS4 etc

So....again, I don't think you fully know what you are talking about and seem to be unable to really prove anything you are saying.

So I don't think you are not seeking to go back and forth just for lolz, I think you are not seeking this cause what the fuck would you actually say to prove your point? We literally can see fucking ports from those generations that disprove what you are saying and you can't tell me 1 generation in which a publisher didn't want to make money from its catalog, no one on here fucking can btw

Keep in mind, its your thread, prove your point. If you want to make this silly claim provide actual evidence of what you are talking about, we live in a time where anyone can just provide you factual links to show you these are not brand new concepts within gaming, this is one of the oldest most established ideas in the industry that you are trying to entertain is some new trend or concept

its not..

 

[diffusionx]

That isn't true at all sir.

Literally a fucking 2 second google search, even if you didn't know this shit, look it up instead of making such weird claims

List of video game remakes and remastered ports - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This very much can be stated about those generations as even PS1 being the first fucking PlayStation, still got ports from PAST SYSTEMS, for the same fucking reasons

On PS2

On PS3, Bluray made it easier to do this same with PSN having a method of distribution that made it just as easy


FFX-X2
Metal Gear Solid Collection (2 fucking collections mind you)
Sly Cooper
God Of War Collection
Ratchet Collection
Jak and Daxter
DMC Collection
Silent Hill Collection (horrid lol)
IcO and SoTC
Sonic Genesis Collection
Final Fantasy Tactics:

via PSN, its just as much, if not even more

Entire Resident Evil series
Dino Crisis 1 and 2
Parasite Eve 1 and 2
Persona 2 and 3
Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2
SMT Nocturne


During PS4 and PS5, that didn't just stop btw, I'd argue gaming has gotten larger and you see publishers remastering their titles from PS3 gen on PS4 etc

So....again, I don't think you fully know what you are talking about and seem to be unable to really prove anything you are saying.

So I don't think you are not seeking to go back and forth just for lolz, I think you are not seeking this cause what the fuck would you actually say to prove your point? We literally can see fucking ports from those generations that disprove what you are saying and you can't tell me 1 generation in which a publisher didn't want to make money from its catalog, no on on here fucking can btw

Keep in mind, its your thread, prove your point. If you want to make this silly claim provide actual evidence of what you are talking about, we live in a time where anyone can just provide you factual links to show you these are not brand new concepts within gaming, this is one of the oldest most established ideas in the industry that you are trying to entertain is some new trend or concept

its not..

PlayStation definitely did get some pretty crappy compilations of old FF games. But it also got FF7, 8, 9, and Tactics. One of those packages got Chrono Trigger, we got the sequel. In addition to all the other bangers from Square that gen (BFM, Vagrant Story, Xenogears, Threads of Fate, the list goes on and on and on). This gen we have gotten one piece of shit Final Fantasy and a remake of one part of 7.

Rayman 2 Revolution and DOA2 Hardcore are ports. Sonic and Mega Man were total shit series by the time of the PS2 so yea they obviously were repackaging the old, good games, kind of says it all lol.

 

[CLW]

Same thing as Hollywood - budgets went SKY HIGH NOONE willing to take the risk bc of the ROI needed to justify expense

 

[EDMIX]

Same thing as Hollywood - budgets went SKY HIGH NOONE willing to take the risk bc of the ROI needed to justify expense

sure but, in what time did we ever get the film industry not seek to make money from the film post release?

Even if a film does record numbers, you'll still see them seek streaming options, distrubution deals on Bluray, 4K etc. Look at it like this, if you made little money on a film, you'd want to recoup it from Netflix, Apple or Amazon deal for streaming or DVD / Bluray release right?

ok.....you break box office records with a monster film, you telling me you want less money? So no Netflix deal and no Bluray?

What we are talking about is not happening solely based on something doing bad, the goal of the business is to make money, they are not doing so only cause sky high budgets, they are doing so cause it makes money...

 

[PendekarRajawali]

It's fine ? Some of these re-releases have been heavily upgraded. You just can't complain when you get something like Star Ocean 2R or Metroid Prime honestly. And you can ignore all the lazy re-releases.


I think there is a possibility for :
A PS3 remaster (PS4)
A PS4 remaster of the PS3 remaster (PS5)
A PS5 remaster of the PS4 remaster of the PS3 remaster (PS6)
Pretty sure we have at least one candidate for this right now (a game that was on PS3, remastered on PS4, remastered on PS5).

 

[ProtoByte]

That isn't true at all sir.

Literally a fucking 2 second google search, even if you didn't know this shit, look it up instead of making such weird claims

As it is, we're all here doing for free what analytics departments should be doing for pay. I'm not going to trudge through every single last re-release since the PS1, and I think there's a mismatch of premises here.

I said (paraphrasing): At this rate, the majority of the 9th gen's library will be carry overs from the 6th.
I'll amend that to say: At this rate, the majority of the 9th gen's library will be carry overs from previous gens, disproportionately the 6th. Still a whole lot of remasters and not ideal, ofc.

You're saying: The majority of all consoles' libraries have been made up of a library of ports, remasters and remakes.

To get my point across, I listed most but not all of the re-releases from this year, some but not all from previously in 9th gen alone, and some of the confirmed and alleged in development and scheduled for release in the next few years. From this year alone, I've listed around 27.

You've listed around 28 across 3 generations of PS consoles. Obviously your list isn't exhaustive, and I wouldn't expect it to be, but I find it difficult not to notice that I have nearly as many re-releases in one year alone on my side of the debate. It strongly suggests that the rate of re-packaging has increased significantly if not exponentially.

I also think it's just common sense. The number of games from previous gen's for the PS1 and PS2, are way, way smaller than the number potentially available to the PS5.

Just as importantly, I keep hammering home the point that the re-releases in themselves aren't an issue, provided that there isn't such an imbalance with the actually new software. We have a massive imbalance just in numbers, let alone quality.

Think about it: All of the games getting remastered now were the new games of previous gens.

 

[EDMIX]

You're saying: The majority of all consoles' libraries have been made up of a library of ports, remasters and remakes.

Where? I've never once stated anything like this sir

I also think it's just common sense. The number of games from previous gen's for the PS1 and PS2, are way, way smaller than the number potentially available to the PS5.

lol my god, that doesn't fucking help your point, it hurts it...

Yes, we have waaaay more games right now currently then really any other time in gaming annnnnd most of which are not fucking ports and remasters, majority of games releasing today are new releases, even Konami with putting out Silent Hill 2 and MGS3 still has more new entires this gen then remasters...

I don't even know if you can name 1 publisher that has put out more remasters or remakes to new games or something to even try to force that fake ass narrative

Put up the data, show the actual fucking numbers on what you are talking about

About 300 games will release this year, we really trying to act as if most must be remasters and remakes? Based on what exactly?

 

[ProtoByte]

Where? I've never once stated anything like this sir

Your first post, second paragraph:

So when you're saying the majority of the 9th generation I need you to fucking understand you're literally describing every other generation because there is no brand new thing here regarding what you're describing you're just talking about those very same people that remastered before remastering again.....

Reading over that post again, I want to readdress this point that's been made by others:

What ode does the publisher have to NOT MAKE MONEY, not get NEW CONSUMERS to buy existing IP, to what exactly? So you don't' fucking see a release you don't need to buy?

I don't believe that this IP is selling to a mass number of new consumers. There are some, but I doubt it's "most" in at least a significant fraction of cases.

These remasters and remakes aren't even selling that well. You would think FF7R would because it deserves it, but people aren't biting, enough that Square isn't happy with the results.

Plus, so you remake or remaster a game from 15-20 years ago. Now what? Are you going to make a sequel? Is that even possible (ie FF7 - a remake of that does next to nothing for the next mainline game's sales)? If so, is that sequel going to meet the original thing that you remade and actually match current standards? Probably not.

About 300 games will release this year, we really trying to act as if most must be remasters and remakes? Based on what exactly?

Most of those games are irrelevant software that just bloat up the store. Remove them from the conversation. Of the remainder, close to 30 are re-releases.

 

[EDMIX]

Your first post, second paragraph:



Reading over that post again, I want to readdress this point that's been made by others:


I don't believe that this IP is selling to a mass number of new consumers. There are some, but I don't it's "most" in at least a significant fraction of cases.

These remasters and remakes aren't even selling that well. You would think FF7R would because it deserves it, but people aren't biting, enough that Square isn't happy with the results.

Plus, so you remake or remaster a game from 15-20 years ago. Now what? Are you going to make a sequel? Is that even possible (ie FF7 - a remake of that does next to nothing for the next mainline game's sales)? If so, is that sequel going to meet the original thing that you remade and actually match current standards? Probably not.



Most of those games are irrelevant software that just bloat up the store. Remove them from the conversation. Of the remainder, close to 30 are re-releases.

smh, I'm telling you are you describing every major generation as ports existed prior too, that what you are stating is correct in regard to it being the majority

Edit and you still don't have shit to show majority of releases are this.


Provide actual evidence of this please..this claim is getting old as you sound like you want it to be true, but have nothing grounded to actually prove it.

FFVII remake and FFVII remake part 2...

so you telling me Square fucking put out 2 games the whole generation huh? Just 2, nothing else? smfh Would be like saying Capcom just put out RE2, RE3 and RE4 remake, yup, nothing else, zero new releases folks /s

 

[Krathoon]

Sometimes, the remakes and remasters are worse than the original. They bung it up.

The 7th Guest remaster is worse than the original. The Dead Rising remaster is worse than the original.

 

[Krathoon]

The FF7 Remake is not quite a remake. They got weird with it and that is ok.

The Lolipop Chainsaw remaster is fine as long as you mod the original music back in.