TheChewyWaffles
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You laugh, but with proper AA, good textures, etc it's not as laughable as you might think. The problem is no one has done it right.
What will next gen graphics look like?
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You laugh, but with proper AA, good textures, etc it's not as laughable as you might think. The problem is no one has done it right.
Vulcano's assistant
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I can tell you that is not because of tech, It is because the game has better combination of art direction and tech than any game that came out that year.
Hopefully like Beyond Two Souls with real gameplay and 1080p resolution. And better AI please.
This game is nothing special. The models look great for the hardware. Next gen's best models will blow those out of the water.
The 'next gen' level of detail discussion is a scary discussion because most developers are already dealing with highly inflated development costs (v. simply: more detailed content = more work)
However consumers who are thinking to spend 250$+ on a new system will expect the higher fidelity. However the difference in quality might not be as huge as we've seen in the past i.e. Xbox -> Xbox 360. Of course there is always the CODs and BFs that will really push the hardware but majority of the games probably wont use the hardware rendering potential.
Right now we're pretty close to polygonal detail that's undetectable and we've advanced a lot on post processing to create pretty much film quality rendering.
However lighting is the big rendering detail gap that can still be improved a lot. The new Unreal stuff is pretty impressive and I'm sure with next gen it'll get even better. Film can do a lot because it's all offline rendered - a really good lighting system (film level) takes seconds or more to render each frame. So engine developers are creating really good approximations.
Due to the large development cost of current gen and potentially next gen I'd expect instead to see a lot of developers to use the extra power to do more gameplay related tasks. A.I., destruction/physics/cloth/fluid etc.
However consumers who are thinking to spend 250$+ on a new system will expect the higher fidelity. However the difference in quality might not be as huge as we've seen in the past i.e. Xbox -> Xbox 360. Of course there is always the CODs and BFs that will really push the hardware but majority of the games probably wont use the hardware rendering potential.
Right now we're pretty close to polygonal detail that's undetectable and we've advanced a lot on post processing to create pretty much film quality rendering.
However lighting is the big rendering detail gap that can still be improved a lot. The new Unreal stuff is pretty impressive and I'm sure with next gen it'll get even better. Film can do a lot because it's all offline rendered - a really good lighting system (film level) takes seconds or more to render each frame. So engine developers are creating really good approximations.
Due to the large development cost of current gen and potentially next gen I'd expect instead to see a lot of developers to use the extra power to do more gameplay related tasks. A.I., destruction/physics/cloth/fluid etc.
Silly.Mikey
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Halo 4 disagrees.
insert_username_here
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Just no, everything would look all muddy, at that resolution you would hardly see any detail in the textures. A great way of actually seeing the massive difference is use dolphin because it supports resolutions down to 480p and then compare a game like Super Mario Galaxy 2 because it looks amazing, with full AA on 480p and no AA on 720p. I would take 720p in a heart beat.
SMH at some of these predictions of underwhelming graphics in next gen. Consoles next year will output visuals significantly better than current maxed PC settings. Agnis will be very much achieveable, what it will come down to is the talent of artists and coders. Same as this gen.
You're right that artists matter just as much as tech, but don't get ahead of yourself.
Not without major sacrifices, based on what we know about the hardware. Why are people still bringing this up, as if Agni's will be achievable easily, as it was seen, on next-gen consoles? It was running on a GTX680 probably at 30fps. Not to say that next-gen consoles' graphics will be underwhelming; they'll be a very noticeable step-up from what we have now. It'll be great. Just don't get ahead of yourselves.
Hes probably right. We've seen the tech demos yet how come we havent seen anything on PC that matches it? Thats because developers arent gonna be pushing those kind of graphics until the next gen consoles come out.
Brofist
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So graphics don't matter to you. Understood. Guess you wouldn't need the next generation of consoles anyway, so this topic seems moot for you.
Did you check the time stamp on that post?
They were on PCs that used consumer level hardware. Why are people not realizing this?
The main reason we're going to see a bump in graphics across all platforms is because most developers will have higher target hardware for their games, which are the next-gen consoles. PCs will still be able to outdo them.
As I said before, the extremists (both on the underwhelming front and overwhelming) are really degrading the quality of discussion in these topics.
Then you agree. Next gen consoles will look better than current maxed PC settings.
shinobi602
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Crysis 3/BF3 are currently the best looking PC games imo. They damn well better look better than them.
They will though, so I'm not worried.
Debatable. Consoles will still have shittier IQ, but that wasn't the point I was trying to get across. I do expect that games like Crysis/BF3 will still be able to hold their own against (and even match) next-gen games.
AllIsOneIsNone
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A lot of people are talking about more AA/better textures/lighting, etc., but personally I hope physics are a big focus in next gen. Havok/Euphoria are excellent, but a lot of games still fall very short in this area.
I find that a lot of games for the past few years have kept my hopes up with quality images only to suffer from janky physics. That combined with low frame rate is a lot harder for my eyes to handle than other things being discussed.
With that said, I think next gen consoles will surpass current gen pc in every way besides framerate and resolution (which I know is pretty important), and I don't think its hard to see why.
I find that a lot of games for the past few years have kept my hopes up with quality images only to suffer from janky physics. That combined with low frame rate is a lot harder for my eyes to handle than other things being discussed.
With that said, I think next gen consoles will surpass current gen pc in every way besides framerate and resolution (which I know is pretty important), and I don't think its hard to see why.
He simply said that the baseline will be raised.
Thanks for putting it in better words. Yes, the baseline will be raised, and it will definitely be noticeable. People are just getting ahead of themselves in this thread (and others are pretty damn pessimistic, as well
).HawksWinStanley
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If they can get it close to Samaritan next gen then I'll be more than happy.
Thanks for putting it in better words. Yes, the baseline will be raised, and it will definitely be noticeable. People are just getting ahead of themselves in this thread (and others are pretty damn pessimistic, as well
But from the beginning you two were saying the same thing. He/she never said the demos weren't running on PCs, just that actual PC games don't look like those demos. Then, as you agree with, he/she went on to say that devs will hit those notes once the consoles raise the minimum bar. Personally I can't wait!
Stallion Free
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Most companies that currently use it will probably keep using it. There are quite a few companies that use UE3.
les papillons sexuels
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in time yes, at launch probably not.
Vulcano's assistant
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I remember Epic saying that they expect a majority of licensees to keep using UE3 for next gen, and that only a handful will use UE4. UE4 should be more expensive to license, but it looks like it is also easier to use.
Black_Stride
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Hopefully like Beyond Two Souls with real gameplay and 1080p resolution. And better AI please.
I hope not cuz thats not a generation jump that would make me happy.
The models are barely worth talking about and the blur is a little excessive.
For a PS360 game sure its good.....for next gen just a bump to 1080 would not impress me at all.
I demand higher poly models, ridiculous normal maps, tessellation on characters, subtle POM on as many places as it makes sense.
And those textures......512 x 512 should be the bare bare minimum used only on things the player rarely rarely looks at.
Everything else should be pushing 2048 and 4096 for hero pieces.
I don't see The Witcher 2 Xbox 360 in your list. LOL
More "60fps" games?
It does have godrays, they're just nowhere as prominent.
Despite what Internetz legends say, PC version of EE didn't receive any 'upgrade' in illumination system*, so I've compared EE 360 vs 'Vanilla' PC too.
*and it's pretty obvious: no need to apply something that was thinked to give the best look possible to what they've obtaneid once they've downgraded so much stuff
I know very well.
In fact, originally I was talking about several features (HDR, color space, number and quality of dynamic lights, ecc.).
But I think he stuck with the title of the video.
Thunder Monkey
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If by blow out of the water you mean 100,000 polies versus 30,000-40,000 then sure.
You still have limitations on polies per pixel.
Canis lupus
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Nothing special? Lol, pretty much the best graphics you can get on consoles right now.
Weren't some people having that same argument with Silent Hill 3 last gen?
And look where we are now...
iamshadowlark
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Really? The character models are great, the rest is average at best
Thunder Monkey
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I think Watchdogs and Star Wars 1313 look already better than UC3
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