Both direct captures (PC down sampled to 720p for fairness) ... hardly any difference .. right?
Sorry but that is not enough of a jump for me.
What will next gen graphics look like?
- Thread starter Shadow of the BEAST
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Sorry but that is not enough of a jump for me.
I imagine there will be another big jump in detail, at the very least to the level that us PC gamers are already experiencing but perhaps more. I mean a lot of people consider this gen to only be an incremental upgrade but go back and play some ps2 games on a sdtv and then jump to Uncharted 3 on a hdtv. It's a pretty goddamn huge difference.
Just like last gen, we can look at today's high end PC games as a preview to how things will launch next gen. Normal mapping was one of the buzz words late last gen and it became standard this gen. Next gen, virtual texturing and lighting will be a big focus for developers.
Uber high BF3 is likely what we'll get at launch and it'll only get better from there.
Uber high BF3 is likely what we'll get at launch and it'll only get better from there.
Then you don't care about graphics at all and should stick with your current gen console forever.
Why fairness? Just get that shit blown up in full 1080p and drop in some AA, that's what the PC version looks like.
And let's not forget the über sluggish 30FPS.
then you are one of those who can't see the difference between 'high' and 'low' in PC games
Not at all, what the PC offered to me was amazing, playing fallout NV at 1080p/60FPS was fantastic. If the next-gen can give me that then I will be there day1.
Although people are showing screengrabs of console/PC comparisons, the big difference is the clarity and steady framerate. Screengrabs don't show that.
Wonko_C
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Both direct captures (PC down sampled to 720p for fairness) ... hardly any difference .. right?
The above version is the PC version with the more pronounced lighting, not that hard to notice.
Scale the image to 1920x1080 then compare that to a native 1080p PC shot.
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I can no more argue with you guys than I can with someone claiming that the grass is blue. You're entitled to your own perception of reality.
Marco1 said:
Fair enough, at least you didn't try to claim that the difference is not there. If that's not enough than I predict you'll be disappointed with the next gen.
Look at this video of BF3 on a carrier launch, 1080p @60 FPS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nmpEpOEQog
If next-gen consoles look like that, we'll be very lucky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nmpEpOEQog
If next-gen consoles look like that, we'll be very lucky.
In terms of power, they're not going to be near what's currently in PCs. Not close. PCs have become a whole new category. PCs can have 800W power supplies, consoles can't be more than 200W. Besides, Sony and MS have learned from this generation and probably will cut down on size, price and power consumption.
Visuals will be updated simply because they won't be held back by PS360 bottlenecks. 1080 + 60 fps is not a simple consequence of more power and will remain rarity, although sub HD games will probably go away because consoles won't have the bottlenecks present in the PS360. Furthermore, graphics chips won't capable of doing qualitatively different things - they'll be better at drawing stuff but in essence they can't draw different stuff from what's in the PS360. The only real new thing is tessellation, but that's not half as spectacular as what we saw last gen.
So yeah. Like what we have now, but more of it. It'll be very nice, but not necessarily mindblowing. BF3 on PC is probably in the good direction.
Visuals will be updated simply because they won't be held back by PS360 bottlenecks. 1080 + 60 fps is not a simple consequence of more power and will remain rarity, although sub HD games will probably go away because consoles won't have the bottlenecks present in the PS360. Furthermore, graphics chips won't capable of doing qualitatively different things - they'll be better at drawing stuff but in essence they can't draw different stuff from what's in the PS360. The only real new thing is tessellation, but that's not half as spectacular as what we saw last gen.
So yeah. Like what we have now, but more of it. It'll be very nice, but not necessarily mindblowing. BF3 on PC is probably in the good direction.
Dark Octave
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Setting the bar kind of low aren't we?
Read my reply above.
No offence but I don't think people can see the difference between screengrabs and framerate.
For me the clarity in a comparison doesn't come across unless you see it first hand.
The difference between batman:AA on PC and xbox was mind-blowing for me.
Current gen games like uncharted 3 and killzone 3 will look better then bf3 with 1080p resolution and thats what i feel how launch games will look atleast the ps4 exclusives.
I'd be fairly surprised if next gen didn't look like that at the beginning, and way better some 4 years into it. You guys underestimate next gen sometimes...
I would say next gen AAA games will look like the Samaritan demo, though definitely not at 1080p 60fps, at least not during the first year or two.
Then again, this is just guessing.
If PS4 launches with launch titles with the graphical fidelity of God of War 3 and Uncharted 3, I'd be so fucking happy.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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360/PS3 comparison videos???
With limited hardware many devs will see no reason not to go keep going with 720p/30fps in order to maximize various graphical effects.
sankt-Antonio
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Could you please tell me what iam suposed to see in this comparison?
Because i only see a diff. in resolution and a more vivid/saturated picture on the 360 version.
What i cant see but could be there, is motion blur, fps etc.
Some of you have serious eyesight problems, or are just that blinded by fanboyism. Look at the foliage alone.
angular graphics
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Stolen from the PC screenshots thread.
Oh yeah, resolution and fps-wise, we won't get that many 1080p 60fps titles, that's for sure. But the visuals will definitely be on par with that video, and above for many titles too.
However, not all the devs. will be able to spend the money on pushing the graphics all that much. I'd say some of those titles are bound to end up being 1080p and/or 60fps instead, and use that as a selling point.
Sorry for posting this again , but would it be possible to do a 2d mario with this art style on wii or nintendo 3ds?: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Supermariolandboxart.jpg
It's what you don't see is the difference and the reason why I played BF3 on console for 1 day and then traded it in.
It's amazing what the difference in clarity, increased AF and 60FPS can do to a game.
But it can only be experienced by playing one version straight after another.
Screenshots and youtube vids don't do it enough justice.
EDIT: Thanks angular, you hit the nail on the head, now add 60FPS to that and you will be blown away.
If next-gen can do that at launch I will be totally satisfied with my purchase.
But this is the problem with consoles, devs will lower the AF and AA for a few extra effects.
sankt-Antonio
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Do i make that impression? wow
Im fully aware of that, and thats why i asked what these pictures should show off.
DAT 2011 PC BAR, SO LOW! SO DISAPPOINTING.
Random shot from my FRAPS folder:
Nope, doesn't pass the mom test at all.
Well if you just want to compare the stills (not taking into acount FPS and motion bluring etc) than the difference in JUST the stills are textures, LOD, lighting (huge difference), amount of foliage/debris. You were never very good at the "spot the difference" games as a kid, were you?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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well next gen is gonna fail so hard then :/ it might be a re-hash of this gen COD/BF..I just can see MS/Sony doing anything or developers to make it so next gen is a must-buy then. I dont. MS/Sony arent gonna pull a Wii..if they do big mistake they arent Nintendo. They dont have games for that.. Do we really want to see gears of war 4 and Uncharted and shit with technically the same graphics when you get down to it? Nope.People might buy a Wii-U just because.
lol, yeaaah. The 360 version is pretty damn spot on. The tearing is the biggest difference. Sure you can brag about higher resolutions and framerate, but what was achieved on these old ass consoles is pretty impressive. So, getting BF3 to run at 1080p/60 shouldn't be hard on the next Xbox since the game is already running on very old hardware and looks pretty close, minus some IQ.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLF7chbjgvo#t=3m10s
Exactly, if Sony or MS don't push the bar then I won't be buying their consoles.
This is why I wish PC game sales and high-end GPU sales would currently over-shadow console game sales because it would hopefully send out the message that we want a new high-end tech console and not a shitty upgrade.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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and sorry to say it but I think a 500-600$ console will be fine in this day and age.
Shadow of the BEAST
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Yeah the main difference is image quality. Like most multi platform titles.
The graphics are mostly the same, except for resolution, aa and framerate.
The things that really matter like, lighting, shaders, geometry, textures are very close.
sankt-Antonio
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Well if you just want to compare the stills (not taking into acount FPS and motion bluring etc) than the difference in JUST the stills are textures, LOD, lighting (huge difference), amount of foliage/debris. You were never very good at the "spot the difference" games as a kid, were you?
wait, are these supposed to be the same location?
Yeah then stretch that again to a 50" screen. 720p just isn't enough IMO. Next-gen should have 1080p as standard.
bgassassin
Member
According to DICE:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-24-battlefield-3-dice-talks-next-xbox-playstation-4
Though I get the feeling this is being said as a worst-case scenario.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-24-battlefield-3-dice-talks-next-xbox-playstation-4
Though I get the feeling this is being said as a worst-case scenario.
We already know next gen will look like this 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD2lmN3RdEA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD2lmN3RdEA&feature=related
But the high resolution textures change everything in BF3 compared to consoles, just look at the asphalt in the 2 videos. So much better on the PC, it makes the visual enjoyment much better in person. All the consoles do is capture the main visual look. Nothing more.
No, they're not (but very close, you can actually see the 360 location from the pc screenshot) , but the lack of foliage in the 360 screen-shot is not a consequence of location.
Big Chungus
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I wonder if a thread similar to this one was made last generation...
I'd like to see if what people posted is similar to current gen graphics.
I'd like to see if what people posted is similar to current gen graphics.
You'll definitely be able to spot the difference. BF3 is beautiful, just not a technological marvel. The PS4 and 720 will probably also be a notch more powerful than the Wii U. But yeah, it won't be about graphics this time. But then again, graphics haven't mattered any time ever, except for next-gen topics on gaming forums
You two have your expectations too low. I'd be disappointed if next gen games looked like any current gen game.
Also BF3 on PC isn't matched with any console game, including Sony's exclusives.
edit:
We already know next gen will look like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD2lmN3RdEA&feature=related
Again, this would be a disappointment if next gen games looked like this.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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We already know next gen will look like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD2lmN3RdEA&feature=related
you mean next-gen Nintendo..yea we know what itll look like.